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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 25, 2011 9:41:00 GMT
I like the suggestion from Spinksy that we might have to "even look abroad" for a No.2 keeper.
Perish the thought!
No.2 keeper is an absolute nightmare slot to fill, though, at a club like Stoke - especially when the No.1 is a highly-rated youngster on a long-term deal.
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Post by foster on Jul 25, 2011 9:42:59 GMT
Wouldn't mind Cudicini or Hahneman, if we can get either of them for less than what we pay Tommy.
Put it this way. If Tommy goes then it means that Beggo's definately happy to stay on and commit his immediate future to us.
Having said all that, i think Tommys an excellent keeper and would be sad to see him go.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 25, 2011 9:45:47 GMT
Would be really sad to see Tommy go.
Who to get in though...and when?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 25, 2011 9:47:09 GMT
I like the suggestion from Spinksy that we might have to "even look abroad" for a No.2 keeper. Perish the thought! Stoke don't do "looking abroad"
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Post by RAF on Jul 25, 2011 9:48:32 GMT
I bet Mama's wages haven't been reduced.
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Post by blackpoolstokie on Jul 25, 2011 9:49:09 GMT
I think we should go get ben foster back to provide good competition. Otherwise begovic might get to comfortable!
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Post by MrDBrent on Jul 25, 2011 9:51:05 GMT
Pulis is making far too many errors this window. Why havent we gone in for hitzlesburger..
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 25, 2011 9:53:20 GMT
If we are to push on,we realy need to hang on to our better players and have a strong 25 man squad,Its no good having a good 15 players and 10 crap ones if you want to finish in the top 10.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 25, 2011 9:55:15 GMT
If we are to push on,we realy need to hang on to our better players and have a strong 25 man squad,Its no good having a good 15 players and 10 crap ones if you want to finish in the top 10. I am struggling to get to 15 good ones to be honest
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 25, 2011 9:56:40 GMT
Sorensen's far too good to be long-term No.2, especially if he has a deal that means he gets a big % of his salary only if he plays.
Mind you, I bet he'd quite fancy being No.2 at Man City if he got a £10k-a-week pay bump!
As for our No.2, would we be looking at a veteran or a second-class foreigner looking for a big wage rise?
I can't see our No.2 slot being attractive to a youngish British keeper
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Post by tuum on Jul 25, 2011 10:01:05 GMT
I think it's disgusting that he is offered less when he's not playing. To do that to someone of his quality says an awful lot about Stoke, none of it very good. =================================================== FFS. He's not a child. I am sure he had the world and his wife in attendance when he was negotiating his contract. If he didn't like the T&C's then he should not have signed the contract. If he made an assumption that he would always be No.1 and/or always fit enough to play then that's a contract risk that he took as a mature,sensible adult. SCFC owed him nothing then and we owe him nothing now. In the article TP says we have been re-negotiating with Tommy for 6 months. Is the failure to reach agreement also 100% Stoke's fault? SCFC has done nothing wrong as far as I can see from the little bit of information that I am aware of. I don't want us to lose Tommy but if he is not happy then there is generally no point in holding on to him. However, as always, he will be allowed to leave when TP and SCFC consider it to be in our best interests.
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Post by PixiePotter on Jul 25, 2011 10:05:52 GMT
Pulis is making far too many errors this window. Why havent we gone in for hitzlesburger.. To be the fair the 'errors' shouldn't be judged until the end of the season, we seem to make them every transfer window but then somehow follow it up with a fantastic season... Sorensen leaving would be a blow, there's no doubt he's still a very good keeper but if he wants first team football then he'll go won't he? Similar scenario to what Lawrence was in. It's not really an error on our part. He's done very well for Stoke but we now have a keeper who's got tremendous ability and Sorensen won't be starting many games, he'll believe he's worthy of a number one spot in the Premiership and that's why I really wouldn't be surprised if he signed for WBA. I'm sure Pulis would like to keep him but he can't offer him regular first team action, it's fair enough really? People were moaning about Lawrence leaving as well but he wanted first team football just as Sorensen rightfully does at his age, there's nothing we can do about it. Playing Sorenson in all the cup competitions could be a solution. I prefer Begovic as a keeper, he'll make the odd mistake as Sorensen does but he pulls of match-winning/saving stops in more or less every game.
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Post by droz on Jul 25, 2011 10:13:08 GMT
You can't blame Tommy, to be fair. It just begs the question who will come in as no.2? Hahnemann isn't a bad shout.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2011 10:18:26 GMT
Sorensen's far too good to be long-term No.2, especially if he has a deal that means he gets a big % of his salary only if he plays. [/size]Mind you, I bet he'd quite fancy being No.2 at Man City if he got a £10k-a-week pay bump! As for our No.2, would we be looking at a veteran or a second-class foreigner looking for a big wage rise? I can't see our No.2 slot being attractive to a youngish British keeper [/quote] It's very hard to keep two front line goalkeepers happy, one will get pissed off in the end, that's why there's not many teams who try it ... it's a bit like trying to keep three front line centre backs happy.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 25, 2011 10:19:44 GMT
We'll probably end up with Pletikosa
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Post by Gods on Jul 25, 2011 10:19:52 GMT
Have we still got Carlo Nash as our experienced #3 ?
How good is he ? If he isn't good enough to provide first line cover as #2 then I'm not quite sure why we are paying him.
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Post by foster on Jul 25, 2011 10:20:17 GMT
I would not like to see Tommy join another Premier League team.
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Post by louismoult4england on Jul 25, 2011 10:20:58 GMT
loose Tommy's experience or keep him for another 2-3 years and loose a promising young talent......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2011 10:24:24 GMT
Not much you can do really is there, it outlines the greed in all footballers, he'd sit on then bench happily if he was getting 30k a week. Its not like the man is getting a pittance either, when he doesnt play i bet he still gets about 15k a week, so he still earns 50x more than the average person who goes to watch him sit on the bench. Be sad to see him go but to be honest we've been lucky to have two quality keepers, even chelsea and man utd dont have that.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 25, 2011 10:32:59 GMT
Or how about, he is on a very good basic wage with an additional payment for appearances plus the usual win bonuses etc, which means that he gets paid more money for playing?
Tommy is no mug and is spinning the media coverage to suit his purposes (which he is perfectly entitled to do).
His big challenge is trying to find another club where he will be first choice, which will not be as easy as some seem to think (despite Tommy being a very good and experienced keeper).
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 25, 2011 10:38:18 GMT
please god, dont let us sign Richard Kingson as a replacement!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 25, 2011 10:40:18 GMT
You would of hoped they have someone lined up - not like this hasnt been going on all summer - oh hang on
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2011 10:43:09 GMT
Or how about, he is on a very good basic wage with an additional payment for appearances plus the usual win bonuses etc, which means that he gets paid more money for playing?Tommy is no mug and is spinning the media coverage to suit his purposes (which he is perfectly entitled to do). His big challenge is trying to find another club where he will be first choice, which will not be as easy as some seem to think (despite Tommy being a very good and experienced keeper). To be fair Ali, when he signed his contract, being a goalkeeper, he only expected to have his wages reduced, when he wasn't fit, suspened, or had a loss of form. If at the time, SCFC had made him aware, that they were looking to bring in another first choice goalkeeper and it was unlikely that he would get that many starts in the future, then I suspect, he and his agent wouldn't have agreed to the deal he was signing and would probably have asked for a higher 'basic'. If you worked in a factory and a proportion of your salary was made up of how many 'things' you made but then through no fault of your own, you were forced to watch somebody else make those things and hence your wages were reduced, then you too, I guess, wouldn't be particularly happy either.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 25, 2011 10:53:33 GMT
"kicking the ball might be a problem". I should say so if you are a footballer.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Jul 25, 2011 11:00:46 GMT
A grave error from Pulis this one. How is it an error? We can't expect to keep hold of two excellent international keepers, it is not fair on the players not be playing all the time. You cannot be seriously suggesting that we lose the 24-year-old and keep the 35-year-old can you?
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Jul 25, 2011 11:02:01 GMT
Pulis is making far too many errors this window. Why havent we gone in for hitzlesburger.. Would he be happy in the no.2 keeper spot?
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Post by AlliG on Jul 25, 2011 11:02:19 GMT
But if he had not kept getting injured and hadn't suffered a dip in form would we have brought Begovic in the first place? Tommy has played in the Premier League long enough to know that no matter how good you are, if the opportunity to sign a better player comes along, you will be replaced. I am not sure you can honestly compare how a professional footballer earns his money with a factory worker who will be struggling to pay his mortgage or put food on the table. However, I am sure you will find that there are plenty of people out there who lose lucrative areas of their sales pitches as part of a restructure etc who find themselves earning less money. If Tommy played on the need to play regularly to maintain his international career or that he has not yet reached the stage when he is happy to fill the Carlo Nash role, it would be hard not to sympathise. I don't think there will be a whip round on Thursday night to help him overcome his financial hardship. p.s. I actually think that at the moment Tommy is the best keeper but that obviously Asmir has the potential.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2011 11:15:53 GMT
But if he had not kept getting injured and hadn't suffered a dip in form would we have brought Begovic in the first place? Tommy has played in the Premier League long enough to know that no matter how good you are, if the opportunity to sign a better player comes along, you will be replaced. I am not sure you can honestly compare how a professional footballer earns his money with a factory worker who will be struggling to pay his mortgage or put food on the table.However, I am sure you will find that there are plenty of people out there who lose lucrative areas of their sales pitches as part of a restructure etc who find themselves earning less money. If Tommy played on the need to play regularly to maintain his international career or that he has not yet reached the stage when he is happy to fill the Carlo Nash role, it would be hard not to sympathise. I don't think there will be a whip round on Thursday night to help him overcome his financial hardship. p.s. I actually think that at the moment Tommy is the best keeper but that obviously Asmir has the potential. I wasn't comparing a professional footballer to a factory worker Ali ... I'm a bit surprised that you thought I was. I was illustrating the point, about not being able to earn, when your contract has been based upon it. Of course he earns very good money compared to other (most) people but that isn't the issue here. What is the issue, is how much he was expecting to be picking up when he signed his contract and how much he's actually being 'allowed' to earn nowadays.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2011 11:53:39 GMT
That depends - surely - on the money involved.
imho it's impossible as a fan to tell who is 'in the wrong' (if anyone is) re this.
I hope he stays though.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 25, 2011 11:55:56 GMT
One thing for sure is that it is an absolutely unique situation at Stoke under TP.
Who could have guessed that we have an in form experienced international having to play second fiddle to a twenty four year old at a club where twenty seven year olds are "rested" on the basis that you can't over play "kiddies"!
Asmir certainly called Tone's bluff and won when Chelski came calling.
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