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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 6:55:12 GMT
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 7:27:36 GMT
Joe Cole signing for Stoke would be about as good as it gets, can cover LM, RM, CM & AM. He is when fit one of if not the best English midfielder imo. I think he'd be a massive hit at Stoke after a rough ride at Chelsea & Liverpool.
Can't see how the Blackpool Gazette are in the know on our transfer dealings though.
Believe it when I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:30:38 GMT
Me thinks he's London bound
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:31:55 GMT
Joe Cole signing for Stoke would be about as good as it gets, can cover LM, RM, CM & AM. He is when fit one of if not the best English midfielder imo. I think he'd be a massive hit at Stoke after a rough ride at Chelsea & Liverpool. Can't see how the Blackpool Gazette are in the know on our transfer dealings though. Believe it when I see it. Joe Cole would be another Tuncay. Doesn't fit in, TP wouldn't know what to do with him. Two small and lightweight to play up front or in midfield in a TP team. Too expensive to come as cover for the flanks. His best position, in the hole, doesn't exist in our set up. Looks a spent force anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:36:43 GMT
True its no use having a midfielder when the ball is always lumped over the top to the forwards.
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 7:38:29 GMT
Joe Cole signing for Stoke would be about as good as it gets, can cover LM, RM, CM & AM. He is when fit one of if not the best English midfielder imo. I think he'd be a massive hit at Stoke after a rough ride at Chelsea & Liverpool. Can't see how the Blackpool Gazette are in the know on our transfer dealings though. Believe it when I see it. Joe Cole would be another Tuncay. Doesn't fit in, TP wouldn't know what to do with him. Two small and lightweight to play up front or in midfield in a TP team. Too expensive to come as cover for the flanks. His best position, in the hole, doesn't exist in our set up. Looks a spent force anyway. Nah, Pennant and Ethers arn't built like Giant Haystacks, Joe Cole has huge quality and imo is when fit the best sided Left midfielder for the national team, he's one hell of a player that hasn't settled for Liverpool, I believe at a club of our size he'd become a bit of a legend. If TP is looking to add more to or game steadily then we could do a lot worse than Cole, extra options, who knows what TP has planned to mix up our play. Cole is 10x the player of Tuncay and is a player you could build a new tactic around, no harm in a plan b & C.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:38:35 GMT
True its no use having a midfielder when the ball is always lumped over the top to the forwards. We can have midfielders,, they've just got to be strong and disciplined first and foremost. If they can pass as well great, that's what we need. How often has Cole played in centre mid in the last ten years, anyone know? I'd wager that it's not very much at all.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 1, 2011 7:39:19 GMT
Joe Cole was a cracking football player. The last two years however indicate totally the opposite, but still earning a fortune.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:40:35 GMT
Joe Cole would be another Tuncay. Doesn't fit in, TP wouldn't know what to do with him. Two small and lightweight to play up front or in midfield in a TP team. Too expensive to come as cover for the flanks. His best position, in the hole, doesn't exist in our set up. Looks a spent force anyway. Nah, Pennant and Ethers arn't built like Giant Haystacks, Joe Cole has huge quality and imo is when fit the best sided Left midfielder for the national team, he's one hell of a player that hasn't settled for Liverpool, I believe at a club of our size he'd become a bit of a legend. If TP is looking to add more to or game steadily then we could do a lot worse than Cole, extra options, who knows what TP has planned to mix up our play. Cole is 10x the player of Tuncay and is a player you could build a new tactic around, no harm in a plan b & C. But we have space on the wings for that kind of player. They aren't required to win the ball in the air for starters. We don't have space for that kind of player anywhere else. Cole on his day is way better than Tuncay but it hasn't been his day since about 2006. He wouldn't come to be cover and there's no obvious starting place in our team because he's too lightweight to play in a Pulis attack or midfield.
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Post by stokezach85 on Jun 1, 2011 7:40:51 GMT
Joe Cole was a cracking football player. The last two years however indicate totally the opposite, but still earning a fortune. My thoughts exactly
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 7:44:36 GMT
Nah, Pennant and Ethers arn't built like Giant Haystacks, Joe Cole has huge quality and imo is when fit the best sided Left midfielder for the national team, he's one hell of a player that hasn't settled for Liverpool, I believe at a club of our size he'd become a bit of a legend. If TP is looking to add more to or game steadily then we could do a lot worse than Cole, extra options, who knows what TP has planned to mix up our play. Cole is 10x the player of Tuncay and is a player you could build a new tactic around, no harm in a plan b & C. But we have space on the wings for that kind of player. They aren't required to win the ball in the air for starters. We don't have space for that kind of player anywhere else. Cole on his day is way better than Tuncay but it hasn't been his day since about 2006. He wouldn't come to be cover and there's no obvious starting place in our team because he's too lightweight to play in a Pulis attack or midfield. Considering we have a lot of games coming up and Walters and whitehead have been filling holes on the wings, I think he when fit would see a fair amount of pitch time. He'd definatley keep Ethers and Pennant on their toes and imo when fit would quite rightly start ahesd of them. Matty and Pennant have been great, but they are not the be all and end all.
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Post by keithy george on Jun 1, 2011 7:45:28 GMT
We could not afford his wages anyway?
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 7:45:46 GMT
Would he of been at WHU when Ethers was there?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:46:09 GMT
But we have space on the wings for that kind of player. They aren't required to win the ball in the air for starters. We don't have space for that kind of player anywhere else. Cole on his day is way better than Tuncay but it hasn't been his day since about 2006. He wouldn't come to be cover and there's no obvious starting place in our team because he's too lightweight to play in a Pulis attack or midfield. Considering we have a lot of games coming up and Walters and whitehead have been filling holes on the wings, I think he when fit would see a fair amount of pitch time. He'd definatley keep Ethers and Matty on their toes and imo when fit would quite rightly start ahesd of them. Matty and Pennant have been great, but they are not the be all and end all. He wouldn't come to a club like us with the promise of seeing "a fair amount of pitch time" though would he? He's been moaning his bag off about not playing at Liverpool, if he deigns to go to a smaller club, it's surely going to be on the understanding that he's virtually an automatic first choice?
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 7:52:44 GMT
Considering we have a lot of games coming up and Walters and whitehead have been filling holes on the wings, I think he when fit would see a fair amount of pitch time. He'd definatley keep Ethers and Matty on their toes and imo when fit would quite rightly start ahesd of them. Matty and Pennant have been great, but they are not the be all and end all. He wouldn't come to a club like us with the promise of seeing "a fair amount of pitch time" though would he? He's been moaning his bag off about not playing at Liverpool, if he deigns to go to a smaller club, it's surely going to be on the understanding that he's virtually an automatic first choice? If that was the case I'd tell him to fuck off, first choice when fit and on form, otherwise my arse. To suggest Joe Cole wouldn't be a good signing for Stoke City is taking the biscuit a bit though. I think with a bit of quality added in central midfield this summer we could quite easily convert to a 4-4-1-1 when need be with Cole in the hole playing ball to his feet. At times last season we lost points due to a lack of a back up plan, Fulham for example and feeding Haangleands forehead for 90 minutes..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:57:21 GMT
He wouldn't come to a club like us with the promise of seeing "a fair amount of pitch time" though would he? He's been moaning his bag off about not playing at Liverpool, if he deigns to go to a smaller club, it's surely going to be on the understanding that he's virtually an automatic first choice? If that was the case I'd tell him to fuck off, first choice when fit and on form, otherwise my arse. To suggest Joe Cole wouldn't be a good signing for Stoke City is taking the biscuit a bit though. I think with a bit of quality added in central midfield this summer we could quite easily convert to a 4-4-1-1 with Cole in the hole playing ball to his feet. At times last season we lost points due to a lack of a back up plan, Fulham for example and feeding Haangleands forehead for 90 minutes.. That would mean fundamentally changing how we play though. It's not so much evolution as smashing the Pulis playbook completely. Joe Cole wouldn't be a good signing not because he's not a good player, but because (and this is becoming a catchphrase, have some of you actually watched Stoke play at all over the last eight years?) HE. DOESN'T. FIT. IN. WITH. HOW. WE. PLAY.
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 7:59:20 GMT
If that was the case I'd tell him to fuck off, first choice when fit and on form, otherwise my arse. To suggest Joe Cole wouldn't be a good signing for Stoke City is taking the biscuit a bit though. I think with a bit of quality added in central midfield this summer we could quite easily convert to a 4-4-1-1 with Cole in the hole playing ball to his feet. At times last season we lost points due to a lack of a back up plan, Fulham for example and feeding Haangleands forehead for 90 minutes.. That would mean fundamentally changing how we play though. It's not so much evolution as smashing the Pulis playbook completely. Joe Cole wouldn't be a good signing not because he's not a good player, but because (and this is becoming a catchphrase, have some of you actually watched Stoke play at all over the last eight years?) HE. DOESN'T. FIT. IN. WITH. HOW. WE. PLAY. see post above.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 8:00:55 GMT
Joe Cole was a cracking football player. The last two years however indicate totally the opposite, but still earning a fortune. Correct.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 1, 2011 8:02:44 GMT
Why are you all discussing this? On 20th June 2010 Joe Cole signed a FOUR YEAR deal on £90,000 per WEEK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 8:04:53 GMT
Why are you all discussing this? On 20th June 2010 Joe Cole signed a FOUR YEAR deal on £90,000 per WEEK. Are you saying people under contract never move?
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 8:05:20 GMT
It's not about Evolution it's about extra options, and the more transfer windows pass by the more technically gifted players we are able to attract, players that can pass for example.
As I say if we strengthen our midfield we could quite easily convert to the above 4-4-1-1 tactic successfully when need be, the missing link is CM and if TP is looking at addressing that it opens up a whole load of new options.
If he buys the right CM players though it doesn't always mean we 'have' to change our style, it opens up more options for us to 'enable' us to successfully do so. Another string to the bow of our armory. how is that a bad thing?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 1, 2011 8:08:34 GMT
Why are you all discussing this? On 20th June 2010 Joe Cole signed a FOUR YEAR deal on £90,000 per WEEK. Are you saying people under contract never move? Yes - not for less than a guaranteed 90,000 a week for the next three years. It is far more these days about Show me the money and less about Show me the football I am sure Liverpool would love him off their books - where is his incentive?
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Post by toddyssilkyskills on Jun 1, 2011 8:13:43 GMT
Are you saying people under contract never move? Yes - not for less than a guaranteed 90,000 a week for the next three years. It is far more these days about Show me the money and less about Show me the football I am sure Liverpool would love him off their books - where is his incentive? That is a good point, but do we know if Dalgleish is keen on Cole? Is it impossible that we could get him on loan paying a percentage of his wage, or even them giving him a golden handshake?
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Post by RAF on Jun 1, 2011 8:16:24 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Spurs with his history with Harry Redknapp. That said though, after his debarcle at Liverpool, is he actually the kind of player Arry needs? I'm not so sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 8:17:32 GMT
Are you saying people under contract never move? Yes - not for less than a guaranteed 90,000 a week for the next three years. It is far more these days about Show me the money and less about Show me the football I am sure Liverpool would love him off their books - where is his incentive? And his wages are why people on this thread are saying no to Joe Cole. We are entitled to discuss a press article. If you don't want to discuss it you don't have to.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 1, 2011 8:19:18 GMT
Yes - not for less than a guaranteed 90,000 a week for the next three years. It is far more these days about Show me the money and less about Show me the football I am sure Liverpool would love him off their books - where is his incentive? That is a good point, but do we know if Dalgleish is keen on Cole? Is it impossible that we could get him on loan paying a percentage of his wage, or even them giving him a golden handshake? Would have to a bloody big handshake The bloke 'earns' (he has also redefined the term 'earns') circa £4m a year Anyways the bloke has shown nowt at all in the last two years.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jun 1, 2011 8:37:34 GMT
Can't see it happening, but wouldn't mind him if he could fit into the system or provide healthy competition to the wingers.
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Post by droz on Jun 1, 2011 8:49:16 GMT
Joe Cole is a wonderful player, and I would walk to Liverpool myself and give him a piggy back to The Britannia Stadium.
I don't buy this 'doesn't fit into the way we play' nonsense - Tony has said enough times he is trying to evolve our play, and we have changed things over the last few years.
However, the issue is wages, and I'm not sure Uncle Peter would stretch to anywhere near his current salary.
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Post by mark71 on Jun 1, 2011 8:52:15 GMT
Why are you all discussing this? On 20th June 2010 Joe Cole signed a FOUR YEAR deal on £90,000 per WEEK. Didn't Kenwne Jones sign a 4 year deal 12 months before he signed for us?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 1, 2011 8:53:33 GMT
Why are you all discussing this? On 20th June 2010 Joe Cole signed a FOUR YEAR deal on £90,000 per WEEK. Didn't Kenwne Jones sign a 4 year deal 12 months before he signed for us? Yes but he wasnt on £90k a week
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