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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 19:56:52 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2011 19:56:52 GMT
Heard worse at any football game. If they're worried about swearing by players because they're idols to younger kids, surely they should ban it in stadiums where kids are stood watching their 'idols'. Strange world. Again, you have a choice to be in the stadium. At home you do not expect to see someone swearing directly at you whilst watching a football match with your kids. Context everyone, context!!! I wouldn't but it is easily remedied by telling the children that it's not a nice thing to do. Does that mean Rooney should be banned, does it boot.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 19:58:16 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 19:58:16 GMT
Can we eliminate the whole in the stadium argument.
Players can swear in the stadium as much as they want to that's not an issue.
The issue here concerns the swearing directly at the camera and the unsuspecting parents and children watching at home.. and all over the world.
Do you really think that Rooneys behaviour was befitting of a England footballer.. and ambassador for the English game, England team and Premier League?
I don't.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:00:19 GMT
Post by greyman on Apr 4, 2011 20:00:19 GMT
Can we eliminate the whole in the stadium argument. Players can swear in the stadium as much as they want to that's not an issue. The issue here concerns the swearing directly at the camera and the unsuspecting parents and children watching at home.. and all over the world. Do you really think that Rooneys behaviour was befitting of a England footballer.. and ambassador for the English game, England team and Premier League? I don't. And neither does Harry Redknapp. Even the PFA aren't defending him and that tells you all you need to know.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:00:42 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 4, 2011 20:00:42 GMT
It's simple. The younger generation in general don't see the big deal with swearing. Personally I think it's fantastic. It's about civility, respect and decency. Having 8 year old kids telling refs and teachers to 'fuck off' is not fantastic. I suspect teachers have been getting told to fuck off for a long time before Rooney was even born.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:06:14 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 20:06:14 GMT
Again, you have a choice to be in the stadium. At home you do not expect to see someone swearing directly at you whilst watching a football match with your kids. Context everyone, context!!! I wouldn't but it is easily remedied by telling the children that it's not a nice thing to do. Does that mean Rooney should be banned, does it boot. Do you have kids Bayern?.. It's not as simple as saying to a 3 year old that it's a bad word and never to repeat it'. Secondly, i shouldn't have to explain it to him as it shouldn't of happened in the first place. I watch a football match to be entertained and to try to get my son interested, not to see Man United come back from 2-0 down and some oaf shout abuse my way. In the same way that i wouldn't let my son watch a film with violence or foul language, i wouldn't want him to witness it during a 'televised' football match. When he's older i will take him to games no problem, and i won't care about the swearing, but at his age i care a lot about it and that't the way i feel on the subject. I know that swearing cannot be blocked out and that it's everywhere in everyday life, but i don't want to hear it in a situation where it's not appropriate, warranted or permitted.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:09:49 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 20:09:49 GMT
It's about civility, respect and decency. Having 8 year old kids telling refs and teachers to 'fuck off' is not fantastic. I suspect teachers have been getting told to fuck off for a long time before Rooney was even born. I doubt it as they had the cane in those days. However, even if they had and are today, it doesn't make it right does it?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:15:21 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2011 20:15:21 GMT
I don't but if the kid doesn't listen then that's the parent's problem. Their kid will hear things now and again they shouldn't, it's parent's job to make sure their kid understands. Parent's passing the buck of blame does my head in.
It's football, lots of swearing happens, if I watch a football game I expect that maybe I will hear swear words wether it's from the crowd or the manager if the crowd is quiet. It happens, just like it could happen watching the lunch time news.
That's fair enough, You are shielding him from it but You can't shield kids from everything, for want of a better phrase shit happens.
I understand and respect Your point and how You want Your kid to grow up but it was just one of those things imo.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:16:12 GMT
Post by greyman on Apr 4, 2011 20:16:12 GMT
There are times when I think the world has gone mad. Like when people come on here claiming that they don't have a big problem with kids telling adults to fuck off.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:17:31 GMT
Post by greyman on Apr 4, 2011 20:17:31 GMT
I don't but if the kid doesn't listen then that's the parent's problem. Their kid will hear things now and again they shouldn't, it's parent's job to make sure their kid understands. Parent's passing the buck of blame does my head in. It's football, lots of swearing happens, if I watch a football game I expect that maybe I will hear swear words wether it's from the crowd or the manager if the crowd is quiet. It happens, just like it could happen watching the lunch time news. That's fair enough, You are shielding him from it but You can't shield kids from everything, for want of a better phrase shit happens. I understand and respect Your point and how You want Your kid to grow up but it was just one of those things imo. And that opinion is why this game has gone to the dogs. Played by rich thick twats who do whatever the hell they like while everybody else just shrugs and says it's one of those things. Just look at the people who represent our country at football.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:18:37 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2011 20:18:37 GMT
Who has said that they don't mind kids telling adults to fuck off? I think a kid should be caned if they swear at a teacher. In that case, bring back the fifties! ;D Again I never experience corporate punishment but then again I never told a teacher to fuck off. I don't but if the kid doesn't listen then that's the parent's problem. Their kid will hear things now and again they shouldn't, it's parent's job to make sure their kid understands. Parent's passing the buck of blame does my head in. It's football, lots of swearing happens, if I watch a football game I expect that maybe I will hear swear words wether it's from the crowd or the manager if the crowd is quiet. It happens, just like it could happen watching the lunch time news. That's fair enough, You are shielding him from it but You can't shield kids from everything, for want of a better phrase shit happens. I understand and respect Your point and how You want Your kid to grow up but it was just one of those things imo. And that opinion is why this game has gone to the dogs. Why? Swearing has always happened on a football pitch. Football has gone to the dogs for lots of reasons. Swearing isn't one of them. Like black managers and snoods, it's a tiny trivial thing blown out of all of proportion
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:21:05 GMT
Post by greyman on Apr 4, 2011 20:21:05 GMT
Bayern. I normally agree with everything you say or at least see the sense in it, but you are completely wrong about this. So wrong in fact that I don't even think it's a matter of opinion.
I watch both my sons play at weekends and I see the people they come up against sometimes. Swearing, diving, hacking anybody who gets past them, telling refs to fuck off, refusing to shake hands, fighting once or twice. I don't see it when they play rugby.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:21:32 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 4, 2011 20:21:32 GMT
I suspect teachers have been getting told to fuck off for a long time before Rooney was even born. I doubt it as they had the cane in those days. However, even if they had and are today, it doesn't make it right does it? Probabley not but it's not exactly that bad either. A quick fuck off never hurt anyone.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:23:45 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2011 20:23:45 GMT
Kids nowadays have no discipline, a teacher should be respected but that isn't happening so bring back fear. My favourite teacher at school I feared. But I also respected him. He kept his canes warming up on the radiator, utter legend of a man. You can't say boo to a goose nowadays.
I watch my cousin's play greyman and I see the same. It should be down to the coaches and parents to stop it. And if a ref has some gobby little shit telling him to fuck off, he should send him off. I have no issues with that. It's why I think this whole incident is hypocritical from the point of the FA.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:24:20 GMT
Post by greyman on Apr 4, 2011 20:24:20 GMT
I doubt it as they had the cane in those days. However, even if they had and are today, it doesn't make it right does it? Probabley not but it's not exactly that bad either. A quick fuck off never hurt anyone. Amazing
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:26:23 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 4, 2011 20:26:23 GMT
Probabley not but it's not exactly that bad either. A quick fuck off never hurt anyone. Amazing Thanks ;D
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:28:12 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 20:28:12 GMT
I see your point Bayern, but on the one hand there's an argument that if you punish Rooney you're setting a precedent but on the other hand if you don't punish him then what kind of signal are you sending to all the parents and kids watching at home and even to the footballers themselves.
If Rooney gets away with it then where does it stop? Does it mean that all players can then start swearing into the camera saying whatever they feel like, or even start wearing offensive slogins on their t-shirts or swear (more provocatively) at spectators in the crowd?
I pay to watch Premier League football at home and don't want to have to stop my son from watching football on TV because an idiot of a footballer can't control his moronic tendancies. Swearing in the crowd i can handle (it's drowned out anyway) and the odd spectator swearing unexpectantly also, but seriously, Rooneys behaviour cannot be justified. He's not a nobody, he's a world reknowed superstar.
There needs to be a limit somewhere. It may not be perfect in terms of hypocracy, but i would prefer it to be there and i think he got what he deserved. I don't imagine him doing that again in the near future, that's for sure.
I'm also sure that the FA's actions will prove to kids that it's not right to behave in that way, which can only be a good thing surely.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:30:26 GMT
Post by greyman on Apr 4, 2011 20:30:26 GMT
Kids nowadays have no discipline, a teacher should be respected but that isn't happening so bring back fear. My favourite teacher at school I feared. But I also respected him. He kept his canes warming up on the radiator, utter legend of a man. You can't say boo to a goose nowadays. Actually some kids do. A number of football clubs play in the right way. Both my sons play for Warrington Town and it's noticeable how problems arise with clubs from certain areas. But rugby clubs from the same areas don't behave the same way. The reasons are obvious and if Wayne Rooney has to serve a ban for behaving like a thick yob to try to solve it, then I'm all for it.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:37:13 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2011 20:37:13 GMT
I see your point Bayern, but on the one hand there's an argument that if you punish Rooney you're setting a precedent but on the other hand if you don't punish him then what kind of signal are you sending to all the parents and kids watching at home and even to the footballers themselves. If Rooney gets away with it then where does it stop? Does it mean that all players can then start swearing into the camera saying whatever they feel like, or even start wearing offensive slogins on their t-shirts or swear (more provocatively) at spectators in the crowd? I pay to watch Premier League football at home and don't want to have to stop my son from watching football on TV because an idiot of a footballer can't control his moronic tendancies. Swearing in the crowd i can handle (it's drowned out anyway) and the odd spectator swearing unexpectantly also, but seriously, Rooneys behaviour cannot be justified. He's not a nobody, he's a world reknowed superstar. There needs to be a limit somewhere. It may not be perfect in terms of hypocracy, but i would prefer it to be there and i think he got what he deserved. I don't imagine him doing that again in the near future, that's for sure. I'm also sure that the FA's actions will prove to kids that it's not right to behave in that way, which can only be a good thing surely. But Rooney has got away with it for years, why the sudden change? And for imo a lesser offence. I actually have no problems with players swearing at fans in the crowd. They get dogs abuse from them and it always makes me laugh when they give some back how people react, I've done it myself. The best is when they get the Police involved when they've been doing the same as the player all game. If You dish it, You should be able to take it back. I think Rooney should apologise because he has upset people and done something daft. I don't think he should be banned though. If the FA want to be taken seriously they instruct refs to send players off for when they are abused. I respect that foster, I just don't think he should be banned for it. Should Sky be fined because they run their football coverage on a 3 second delay and possibly could have stopped it? Should the cameraman be fined for shoving his camera in Rooney's face? I think it opens up a can of worms that essentially will never be closed. The FA haven't got the balls for a start.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:42:10 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2011 20:42:10 GMT
Kids nowadays have no discipline, a teacher should be respected but that isn't happening so bring back fear. My favourite teacher at school I feared. But I also respected him. He kept his canes warming up on the radiator, utter legend of a man. You can't say boo to a goose nowadays. Actually some kids do. A number of football clubs play in the right way. Both my sons play for Warrington Town and it's noticeable how problems arise with clubs from certain areas. But rugby clubs from the same areas don't behave the same way. The reasons are obvious and if Wayne Rooney has to serve a ban for behaving like a thick yob to try to solve it, then I'm all for it. I agree from what I've watched of kid's football which is quite a bit over the past 10ish years. And I do think at that level the respect campaign has worked. But often the Mums and Dads are worse than the players. I haven't watched any kids rugby for years so can't really compare on that front. Possibly but only if it serves as a watershed into sorting out players swearing at refs. That is the real issue with swearing imo.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:47:37 GMT
Post by greyman on Apr 4, 2011 20:47:37 GMT
I'd agree with that. And you're right. The kids get it from somewhere. Two weeks ago our coach had to get the ref to ask one of the mums on the other side to stop yelling 'bring him down' every time any of our players had the ball. This is twelve year olds. Haydock, Newton, Earlestown, St Helens. Plastic scouse twats.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 20:56:05 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 20:56:05 GMT
I'd agree with that. And you're right. The kids get it from somewhere. Two weeks ago our coach had to get the ref to ask one of the mums on the other side to stop yelling 'bring him down' every time any of our players had the ball. This is twelve year olds. Haydock, Newton, Earlestown, St Helens. Plastic scouse twats. Warrington... nice
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 21:31:40 GMT
Post by effloresce on Apr 4, 2011 21:31:40 GMT
it's just a word. i can't believe so many people get offended by it.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 21:32:49 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 21:32:49 GMT
it's just a word. i can't believe so many people get offended by it. The pen is mightier than the sword
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 22:32:12 GMT
Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 4, 2011 22:32:12 GMT
Fuck it, let's just allow all footballers to do whatever they want and swear at will, anytime of the day, in front of whoever they want - including our kids, whilst neglecting our duties as responsible parents and taking it up the shitter because it's unfortunately become the norm. It's not as if kids can read this board is it?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 22:36:19 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 22:36:19 GMT
Fuck it, let's just allow all footballers to do whatever they want and swear at will, anytime of the day, in front of whoever they want - including our kids, whilst neglecting our duties as responsible parents and taking it up the shitter because it's unfortunately become the norm. It's not as if kids can read this board is it? Can't imagine there are too many young kids interested in spending time on this board. I don't get your point either?.. You've picked out one of my posts when there is infinately worse on here, especially on the GDP. My swearing on here is not comparable to the subject of this discussion.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 22:40:57 GMT
Post by JoeinOz on Apr 4, 2011 22:40:57 GMT
So against Arsenal Stokies won't chant swear words at Wenger because there are kids watching on telly and they might hear naughty words?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 22:46:15 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 22:46:15 GMT
So against Arsenal Stokies won't chant swear words at Wenger because there are kids watching on telly and they might hear naughty words? That one's already been covered.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 22:47:32 GMT
Post by JoeinOz on Apr 4, 2011 22:47:32 GMT
OK I'll look through the thread. ;D
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 22:51:26 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 22:51:26 GMT
OK I'll look through the thread. ;D thanks It's been like Groundhog day on here today
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 22:52:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 22:52:46 GMT
Rooney comes from the same stable as Joey Barton.
They are equally the lowest form of 'human scum' currently on display in the Premiership.
I would happily ban the pair for life...
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