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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:13:05 GMT
Post by provenstokie on Apr 4, 2011 12:13:05 GMT
People make me laugh they really do... We moan when celebrities and sportman are treated different to us, yet we expect them to behave different to us. Like i've said you hear abusive behaviour and language at every game you go by supporters regardless of who is watching yet this is accepted as the norm because these players earn big money and should put up with it. Yet a player says a few swear words to a camera and those abuive fans come out the woodwork being all hollier than thou and saying what a horrible person he is. They are treated differently from us. A normal person gets caught with drugs they go to prison. A celeb gets caught with drugs and they go to rehab and get a million pound deal with hello magazine. If i'm sat with friends of mine and my sons there none of them will swear in front of him and if they do they will apologise. This is pretty much the same thing. A situation where you do not expect to be confronted with swearing. As for Rooneys apology, don't make me laugh. I heard that statement and there's no way he could come up with that by himself in a million years. He didn't even have the common decency to apologise himself. Yes they are treated different from us and we're as guilty for it as anyone. The amount of times i've heard oh they earn loads of money they should accept the abuse it's part of their job. Yet we're shocked when they're treated different or respond in the same manner.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:15:25 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 4, 2011 12:15:25 GMT
It's about time we got over our obsession at pretending to be insulted about swearing.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:15:53 GMT
Post by provenstokie on Apr 4, 2011 12:15:53 GMT
I agree and you seem like a sensible father but no matter how much we try to shield our young ones they will hear it anyway and it's unfortunately part of society. I agree with that mate but I just wish more parents would tell their kids that you have to behave and talk differently in different situations. I know mine aren't angels but I don't want to hear it at home. You're right we cannot wrap them in cotton wool and watch over them 24/7. What we can do and what you seem to be doing is educate them in these things, educate them that they will hear and see things that are wrong in society and learn that it's not acceptable to follow suit.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:17:45 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 12:17:45 GMT
It was all over the media in stoke and there was no evidence that it happened.
It was not shown live all over the world.
I don't see how you can't differentiate what Rooney did with everyday swearing? and even if swearing is rife, it does not make it acceptable for any responsible parent.
Part of me can't help but feel that Fergie is partially to blame for Rooneys untouchable attitude. Arrogance seems to be a part of life at OT.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:19:59 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 12:19:59 GMT
I agree with that mate but I just wish more parents would tell their kids that you have to behave and talk differently in different situations. I know mine aren't angels but I don't want to hear it at home. You're right we cannot wrap them in cotton wool and watch over them 24/7. What we can do and what you seem to be doing is educate them in these things, educate them that they will hear and see things that are wrong in society and learn that it's not acceptable to follow suit. And how better to do that then to punish the most influential prime perpetrators. Case closed your honour.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:20:51 GMT
Post by provenstokie on Apr 4, 2011 12:20:51 GMT
Swearing on the camera is wrong, i have no arguments there and i would never do it personally, just like i'd never swear in a public place, in front of my family and to be honest rarely in front of my friends. Some people don't like it and don't want to hear it and i respect that.
On the other side though it's a mistake and we all know he isn't smart enough to think before he speaks, an apology has been made and i'm sure apart from this forum hardly anyone is still talking about it.
What i find strange though is some of those who are wanting him punished have no regard for people on here with their language and choice of subjects regardless of watch children are viewing and have no regard for children at matches yet their actions are no less impressionable than what Rooney did.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:21:52 GMT
Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 12:21:52 GMT
It was all over the media in stoke and there was no evidence that it happened. It was not shown live all over the world. I don't see how you can't differentiate what Rooney did with everyday swearing? and even if swearing is rife, it does not make it acceptable for any responsible parent. Part of me can't help but feel that Fergie is partially to blame for Rooneys untouchable attitude. Arrogance seems to be a part of life at OT. the fuller v griff incident was though and that was a far worse message to send out to kids
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:22:29 GMT
Post by provenstokie on Apr 4, 2011 12:22:29 GMT
You're right we cannot wrap them in cotton wool and watch over them 24/7. What we can do and what you seem to be doing is educate them in these things, educate them that they will hear and see things that are wrong in society and learn that it's not acceptable to follow suit. And how better to do that then to punish the most influential prime perpetrators. Case closed your honour. Then we should be punishing 20,000 stoke fans who do it as im sure the kids at the match learn more and find it cooler following the older fans with their behaviour and language than hearing a couple of words on tv.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:24:05 GMT
Post by provenstokie on Apr 4, 2011 12:24:05 GMT
It was all over the media in stoke and there was no evidence that it happened. It was not shown live all over the world. I don't see how you can't differentiate what Rooney did with everyday swearing? and even if swearing is rife, it does not make it acceptable for any responsible parent. Part of me can't help but feel that Fergie is partially to blame for Rooneys untouchable attitude. Arrogance seems to be a part of life at OT. I agree that swearing isn't acceptable for young children and any parent worth their salt would be educating their children about the rights and wrongs.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:24:57 GMT
Post by cousindupree on Apr 4, 2011 12:24:57 GMT
In today's society the use of the 'F' word is now so commonplace it fails its purpose as a swear word which was to shock people. 40 odd years ago it was amusing to see the shock on the old dears face at a bus stop when you would be effing with your mates. Now there are huge swathes of the population who cant string a sentence together with at least a couple of 'F' s included. Women very much included! Sadly It was more enjoyable when women only swore in the bedroom. I just find the whole swearing culture tiresome especially when we have a language so rich and varied. But hey ho thats today's society for you. As for Rooney...well I would imagine he is one of those who just about strings five words together and 2 will begin with 'F'. Here is a much classier use of the camera.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:28:14 GMT
Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 4, 2011 12:28:14 GMT
He did it - he apologized - get over it and move on.
I wouldn't advocate doing what Rooney did as 'right', but I'd much rather some meaty punishment was handed out to the Brentford assassin who could have ended Ben Marshall's career yesterday rather than Rooney's few ill-chosen swear words yelled into a camera, which offends almost no one these days.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:32:00 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 12:32:00 GMT
And how better to do that then to punish the most influential prime perpetrators. Case closed your honour. Then we should be punishing 20,000 stoke fans who do it as im sure the kids at the match learn more and find it cooler following the older fans with their behaviour and language than hearing a couple of words on tv. It's a question of choice. If i take my son to a game i know what i'm letting him in for and it's my responsibility and decision. If i decide not to take him to a game as he's young and i do not want him to be subjected to such language then that is also my decision. If i watch a game on daytime TV where the crowds chants are purposefully quientened down and covered by commentary then i do not expect to see some moron run up to the camera and start f-ing and blinding towards everyone watching the game. In this case the decision i took as a responsible parent has been taken away from me. I can of course explain to my son that it's wrong but by that time it's already late as at his age they pick up words like a sponge picks up water.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:37:56 GMT
Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 4, 2011 12:37:56 GMT
What were they expecting?
He's just scored a hat trick and dragged his team back from two goals down - I think he's going to be a bit excited, it's probably not the best idea to shove a camera right in his face.
If he does get punished will it set a precedent? You do see footballers swearing when watching a match on TV, the only difference being they're not shouting it into a camera so do these deserve a punishment as well?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:40:29 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 12:40:29 GMT
What were they expecting? He's just scored a hat trick and dragged his team back from two goals down - I think he's going to be a bit excited, it's probably not the best idea to shove a camera right in his face. If he does get punished will it set a precedent? You do see footballers swearing when watching a match on TV, the only difference being they're not shouting it into a camera so do these deserve a punishment as well? No, because they didn't run up to and swear directly into a live camera. That's the whole point. On a side note, since when did Rio Ferdinands tweets become front page news? Think i've read at least 3 stories now on the BBC where they've quoted his bullshit opinion.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:42:00 GMT
Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 4, 2011 12:42:00 GMT
No, because they didn't run up to and swear directly into a live camera. That's the whole point. On a side note, since when did Rio Ferdinands tweets become front page news? Think i've read at least 3 stories now on the BBC where they've quoted his bullshit opinion. But surely they are still swearing? So wheres the line? You're allowed to swear on camera as long as you don't run up and do it?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:42:53 GMT
Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 12:42:53 GMT
What were they expecting? He's just scored a hat trick and dragged his team back from two goals down - I think he's going to be a bit excited, it's probably not the best idea to shove a camera right in his face. If he does get punished will it set a precedent? You do see footballers swearing when watching a match on TV, the only difference being they're not shouting it into a camera so do these deserve a punishment as well? No, because they didn't run up to and swear directly into a live camera. That's the whole point. On a side note, since when did Rio Ferdinands tweets become front page news? Think i've read at least 3 stories now on the BBC where they've quoted his bullshit opinion. he ran to the crowd to celebrate, and then the camera was shoved in his face
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:49:43 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 12:49:43 GMT
Fuck it, let's just allow all footballers to do whatever they want and swear at will, anytime of the day, in front of whoever they want - including our kids, whilst neglecting our duties as responsible parents and taking it up the shitter because it's unfortunately become the norm.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:52:10 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 4, 2011 12:52:10 GMT
Can anyone explain why the word 'fuck' is insulting?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 12:54:32 GMT
Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 12:54:32 GMT
Fuck it, let's just allow all footballers to do whatever they want and swear at will, anytime of the day, in front of whoever they want - including our kids, whilst neglecting our duties as responsible parents and taking it up the shitter because it's unfortunately become the norm. its all about educating children that using foul language isnt acceptable. if the child sees someone smoking in the street i assume you tell them that they should hit the cigarette behind their back whilst they walk past any children? life isnt perfect and neither is any human, and thats what you have to stress to your children, people make mistakes!
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:02:55 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 13:02:55 GMT
It's the audacity to use the word in the situation that he did that i find insulting. The word in itself doesn't bother me as i use it quite regularly.
However, i wouldn't want my kid to use it, particularly because i myself don't swear in front of him.
Also, i'm a firm believer in the respect the referee campaign. Straight yellow for abusing or intimidating a referee IMO.
That'll soon teach some of those cunts some manners.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:03:28 GMT
Post by chorleystoke on Apr 4, 2011 13:03:28 GMT
remined me of drugged up Maradona at USA '94 The eyes of Rooney are certainly fixed in the same manner
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:26:29 GMT
Post by Will_75 on Apr 4, 2011 13:26:29 GMT
"It's all about context."
Good luck arguing that on here Mark...
Someone will be along in a minute to tell us that the word "fuck" isn't in itself offensive. Which is about as valid as pointing out that a £10 note is intrisically worthless.
EDIT: oh, hello riproaringpotter ;D
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:40:42 GMT
Post by starkiller on Apr 4, 2011 13:40:42 GMT
Huge talent and also a first class dick with it Totally agree Set the World Cup alight didn't he?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:41:37 GMT
Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 13:41:37 GMT
Set the World Cup alight didn't he? as did messi, ronaldo and torres
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:43:51 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 13:43:51 GMT
They were all better than Rooney though.
He let the country down bigtime.
Also, what's with the Rooney-lovin Bauer?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:48:34 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 4, 2011 13:48:34 GMT
"It's all about context." Good luck arguing that on here Mark... Someone will be along in a minute to tell us that the word "fuck" isn't in itself offensive. Which is about as valid as pointing out that a £10 note is intrisically worthless. EDIT: oh, hello riproaringpotter ;D I was asking why it is offensive, not stating that it isn't. So, why is it? After all, if people are so offended by it they should know why they are offended surely?
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 13:51:47 GMT
Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 13:51:47 GMT
They were all better than Rooney though. He let the country down bigtime. Also, what's with the Rooney-lovin Bauer? he didnt let the country down, he wasnt fully fit. no one played good during the world cup and you blame rooney? so you put all the pressure for englands success on rooneys shoulders and then bollock him when he releases abit of the frustration for not being able to reach the dizzy heights he has for manure? you could nto make it up i tell it how i see it, their is no love in.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 14:01:46 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 4, 2011 14:01:46 GMT
They were all better than Rooney though. He let the country down bigtime. Also, what's with the Rooney-lovin Bauer? he didnt let the country down, he wasnt fully fit. no one played good during the world cup and you blame rooney? so you put all the pressure for englands success on rooneys shoulders and then bollock him when he releases abit of the frustration for not being able to reach the dizzy heights he has for manure? you could nto make it up i tell it how i see it, their is no love in. Never said that he was the only player to let England down. Why are you getting so defensive about him? You don't support United do you.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 14:08:27 GMT
Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 4, 2011 14:08:27 GMT
I'd much rather see some passion in the game than the likes of Fabregas and Ronaldo falling over themselves when people go near them. If Rooney gets a post matchban for swearing then divers should be punished 10X worse.
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Rooney
Apr 4, 2011 14:11:17 GMT
Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 14:11:17 GMT
he didnt let the country down, he wasnt fully fit. no one played good during the world cup and you blame rooney? so you put all the pressure for englands success on rooneys shoulders and then bollock him when he releases abit of the frustration for not being able to reach the dizzy heights he has for manure? you could nto make it up i tell it how i see it, their is no love in. Never said that he was the only player to let England down. Why are you getting so defensive about him? You don't support United do you. scunthorpe?
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