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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 16:59:42 GMT
Could you verify that for me march or are you just full on making stuff up now? If so, I preferred your "Tuncay promised on his mother's life to adapt to our style of play" fly on the contract negotiations wall ;D All my info comes from the most reliable Wikipedia . Look him up it is very revealing and describes him as the incompetent he truly is. And convince me that Tuncay did not get out of the hell hole of the Championship without making promises. It was we who had all of the trump cards, not him. Yeah, I'm sure he was on his hands and knees begging us. ;D
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2010 17:00:45 GMT
The interviews I refer to were in newspapers I have read since his sacking, so I'm sure you could find them if you could be arsed. As for context, pretty much down the line of " How did you feel when MON was sacked?" answer " Asolutely gutted, great manager, well respected yada yada yada" But I'm sure players texting themselves pictures of champagne celebrating his departure is far more near to the truth. H That isn't context though is it? It's different asking them now as to asking them say, a week after it happened or a month after it happened or five minutes aftter it happened. I don't see how the champagne thing is any less believable. Well I suppose the way I see it is that direct quotes from Players are more believable than some alleged incident, but hey that's just me. H
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 29, 2010 17:02:51 GMT
But those direct quotes were from mainstays in O'Neills Villa team.
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2010 17:02:58 GMT
So O'Neills 'favourites' who he played week in and week out miss him... How about players like Curtis Davies and Steve Sidwell who were frozen out and ignored by the manager? Davies in particular was looking forward to a new manager coming in, so he could finally get a fair chance. Yes I'm sure James Beattie, Dave Kitson, Tonge et al thought the same of TP but they weren't the fucking majority were they? H
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 17:05:26 GMT
That isn't context though is it? It's different asking them now as to asking them say, a week after it happened or a month after it happened or five minutes aftter it happened. I don't see how the champagne thing is any less believable. Well I suppose the way I see it is that direct quotes from Players are more believable than some alleged incident, but hey that's just me. H I think they're about as believable as each other mate. Footballers tend not to avoid saying anything controversial more often than not. It's why A Question of Sport is so fucking boring
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2010 17:07:16 GMT
Well I suppose the way I see it is that direct quotes from Players are more believable than some alleged incident, but hey that's just me. H I think they're about as believable as each other mate. Footballers tend not to avoid saying anything controversial more often than not. It's why A Question of Sport is so fucking boring Perhaps. Feathering their own nests is certainly the modus operandi for the majority of them. H
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:07:30 GMT
Have got to say, this bit made me giggle when reading McClarens Wikipedia Profile... Early lifeStephen McClaren was [glow=red,2,300]unfortunatley [/glow]born in May 1961 in the village of Fulford on the outskirts of York,[6] the son of Margaret (née Bogg) and Brian McClaren who had married the previous year.[7] Described as "Yorkshire born and bred", McClaren's ancestors worked variously as miners, brewers, cotton mill workers, labourers, farmworkers and in domestic service.[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McClaren ;D ;D ;D Typo?
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 29, 2010 17:08:37 GMT
Exactly RAF. If TP left tomorrow, no doubt Pulis' 'favourites' like Delap and Sidibe would come out in support. But does that mean Tonge, Soares etc opinions are false?
Just as many, if not more Villa players were happy for MON to leave Villa.
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2010 17:11:32 GMT
Exactly RAF. If TP left tomorrow, no doubt Pulis' 'favourites' like Delap and Sidibe would come out in support. But does that mean Tonge, Soares etc opinions are false? Just as many, if not more Villa players were happy for MON to leave Villa. I don't believe that for a minute, just like I wouldn't believe it if TP was to go. I can understand a minority being happy of his departure though. H
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:12:07 GMT
Well I suppose the way I see it is that direct quotes from Players are more believable than some alleged incident, but hey that's just me. H I think they're about as believable as each other mate. Footballers tend not to avoid saying anything controversial more often than not. It's why A Question of Sport is so fucking boring You can't judge O Neill by what a few say, if Pulis left Stoke today, Tuncay, Gudjohnson, Whelan, Higgy,Dicko,Shotton probably wouldn't be too unsatisfied. O Neil put a quality team together, his best individuals played and his nearly men were not quite good enough, I wonder who the moaners were. Unlike TP, O Neil played his better players, who can argue with a midfield of Young, Barry and Milner
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:13:34 GMT
The unpopular players might of been happy for MON to leave but 99.9% of the supporters were not, what does that tell you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 17:13:50 GMT
I think they're about as believable as each other mate. Footballers tend not to avoid saying anything controversial more often than not. It's why A Question of Sport is so fucking boring You can't judge O Neill by what a few say, if Pulis left Stoke today, Tuncay, Gudjohnson, Whelan, Higgy,Dicko,Shotton probably wouldn't be too unsatisfied. O Neil put a quality team together, his best individuals played and his nearly men were not quite good enough, I wonder who the moaners were. Unlike TP, O Neil played his better players, who can argue with a midfield of Young, Barry and Milner He also had a good season of playing four centre halves across the back four (sounds familiar) played players out of position (sounds familiar) and tried to replace Carew with Heskey.
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Post by march4 on Dec 29, 2010 17:14:53 GMT
I think they're about as believable as each other mate. Footballers tend not to avoid saying anything controversial more often than not. It's why A Question of Sport is so fucking boring You can't judge O Neill by what a few say, if Pulis left Stoke today, Tuncay, Gudjohnson, Whelan, Higgy,Dicko,Shotton probably wouldn't be too unsatisfied. O Neil put a quality team together, his best individuals played and his nearly men were not quite good enough, I wonder who the moaners were. Unlike TP, O Neil played his better players, who can argue with a midfield of Young, Barry and Milner Who are these better players of whom you speak. Apart from Ric, Mama and Higgy we were at full strength yesterday.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 29, 2010 17:17:31 GMT
I think they're about as believable as each other mate. Footballers tend not to avoid saying anything controversial more often than not. It's why A Question of Sport is so fucking boring You can't judge O Neill by what a few say, if Pulis left Stoke today, Tuncay, Gudjohnson, Whelan, Higgy,Dicko,Shotton probably wouldn't be too unsatisfied. O Neil put a quality team together, his best individuals played and his nearly men were not quite good enough, I wonder who the moaners were. Unlike TP, O Neil played his better players, who can argue with a midfield of Young, Barry and Milner Are you suggesting if those 3 played for us now that Pulis wouldn't play them? ;D He paid 12 million for Milner and 9 million for Young and had the benefit of being a pretty big club to attract them in the first place. We're not quite their yet and people need to wake up to it. A few will say Tuncay but apart from giving Fuller a rest every now and again Pulis does now seem to be playing his bet players more often than not.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:18:50 GMT
You can't judge O Neill by what a few say, if Pulis left Stoke today, Tuncay, Gudjohnson, Whelan, Higgy,Dicko,Shotton probably wouldn't be too unsatisfied. O Neil put a quality team together, his best individuals played and his nearly men were not quite good enough, I wonder who the moaners were. Unlike TP, O Neil played his better players, who can argue with a midfield of Young, Barry and Milner He also had a good season of playing four centre halves across the back four (sounds familiar) played players out of position (sounds familiar) and tried to replace Carew with Heskey. But throughout his time there they had a good exciting team that played some very good football, they didnt hoof they played it through the center as well as the wings. He played good football at Leicester, good football at Celtic too and I have no doubt that wherever he ends up next will follow suit.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:19:43 GMT
just had a thought, Gabby Agbonlahor would make a great player as a replacement for Riccy.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:22:50 GMT
You can't judge O Neill by what a few say, if Pulis left Stoke today, Tuncay, Gudjohnson, Whelan, Higgy,Dicko,Shotton probably wouldn't be too unsatisfied. O Neil put a quality team together, his best individuals played and his nearly men were not quite good enough, I wonder who the moaners were. Unlike TP, O Neil played his better players, who can argue with a midfield of Young, Barry and Milner Are you suggesting if those 3 played for us now that Pulis wouldn't play them? ;D He paid 12 million for Milner and 9 million for Young and had the benefit of being a pretty big club to attract them in the first place. We're not quite their yet and people need to wake up to it. A few will say Tuncay but apart from giving Fuller a rest every now and again Pulis does now seem to be playing his bet players more often than not. That's right, His best players, you can't tell me that we cannot attract better midfield players than Delap and Whitehead after 8 transfer windows in thge premier league? Which takes me back to the point that Pulis hasn't got a fcuking clue when it comes to spotting a decent Striker and midfielder.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 29, 2010 17:23:03 GMT
He also had a good season of playing four centre halves across the back four (sounds familiar) played players out of position (sounds familiar) and tried to replace Carew with Heskey. But throughout his time there they had a good exciting team that played some very good football, they didnt hoof they played it through the center as well as the wings. He played good football at Leicester, good football at Celtic too and I have no doubt that wherever he ends up next will follow suit. O'Neill plays long, direct football with a target man, 2 wingers and a solid centre. His teams are what we are aspiring to but we just need better players to do it and that will take time. Agbonlahor has just signed a new 5 year contract and is well out of our reach anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 17:23:39 GMT
He also had a good season of playing four centre halves across the back four (sounds familiar) played players out of position (sounds familiar) and tried to replace Carew with Heskey. But throughout his time there they had a good exciting team that played some very good football, they didnt hoof they played it through the center as well as the wings. He played good football at Leicester, good football at Celtic too and I have no doubt that wherever he ends up next will follow suit. MON is a right hoof merchant mate - has been wherever he's played. Not to the extent that TP is, but it's still a stretch to suggest he played good football. The Villa fans weren't hugely impressed with his brand of football, which they often saw as too negative.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 29, 2010 17:26:52 GMT
Are you suggesting if those 3 played for us now that Pulis wouldn't play them? ;D He paid 12 million for Milner and 9 million for Young and had the benefit of being a pretty big club to attract them in the first place. We're not quite their yet and people need to wake up to it. A few will say Tuncay but apart from giving Fuller a rest every now and again Pulis does now seem to be playing his bet players more often than not. That's right, His best players, you can't tell me that we cannot attract better midfield players than Delap and Whitehead after 8 transfer windows in thge premier league? Which takes me back to the point that Pulis hasn't got a fcuking clue when it comes to spotting a decent Striker and midfielder. Maybe he has seen a few midfielders that he would like but we were unable to get them here. We shall see how he does in this window but every year we are here we will look more appealing to players and the easier it will become.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:30:04 GMT
But throughout his time there they had a good exciting team that played some very good football, they didnt hoof they played it through the center as well as the wings. He played good football at Leicester, good football at Celtic too and I have no doubt that wherever he ends up next will follow suit. O'Neill plays long, direct football with a target man, 2 wingers and a solid centre. His teams are what we are aspiring to but we just need better players to do it and that will take time. Agbonlahor has just signed a new 5 year contract and is well out of our reach anyway. I bet O neil could attract him ;D and many others, simply because of his name. If O Neil is used to a squad like ours then RVD, he'd be a roaring success with us.
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Post by Kirstendunstslovebubbles on Dec 29, 2010 17:32:06 GMT
Didn't he walk out of Villa though because they refused to give him more money to spend. Let's be honest here, O'Neill wouldn't come to us as we couldn't give him the finances he would want to get the job done. Plus knowing his track history of walking out on clubs, Wycombe, Norwich, Leicester etc. he would be with us a year tops before he jumped ship
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Post by jordyboy2468 on Dec 29, 2010 17:50:20 GMT
rafa benitez: the man who has won the champions league and the world club cup with other managers eams... even i could do that. after houlliers legacy at liverpool was basically gonew benitez was terrible.
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Post by northweststokie on Dec 29, 2010 17:52:00 GMT
;D ;D ;D Funniest post I have ever read. The sentence that includes 'Rafa Benitez' and 'good manager' is a classic. I spat my cup of tea onto my keyboard. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 17:53:24 GMT
O'Neill plays long, direct football with a target man, 2 wingers and a solid centre. His teams are what we are aspiring to but we just need better players to do it and that will take time. Agbonlahor has just signed a new 5 year contract and is well out of our reach anyway. I bet O neil could attract him ;D and many others, simply because of his name. If O Neil is used to a squad like ours then RVD, he'd be a roaring success with us. I think he's a good manager, but it's ridiculous to sack your manager when you're doing well. What kind of message does that send?
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 17:59:32 GMT
I bet O neil could attract him ;D and many others, simply because of his name. If O Neil is used to a squad like ours then RVD, he'd be a roaring success with us. I think he's a good manager, but it's ridiculous to sack your manager when you're doing well. What kind of message does that send? that we won't put up with shit football and tactical ineptness. Besides I don't believe TP is doing the grand job people make out, for the simple reasons I have mentioned earlier. It can't be hard given an £80M warchest to put a mediocre premiership team together, which in effect is exactly what he has done.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 18:01:06 GMT
O'Neill plays long, direct football with a target man, 2 wingers and a solid centre. His teams are what we are aspiring to but we just need better players to do it and that will take time. Agbonlahor has just signed a new 5 year contract and is well out of our reach anyway. I bet O neil could attract him ;D and many others, simply because of his name. If O Neil is used to a squad like ours then RVD, he'd be a roaring success with us. RVD? ??? I ment Beardy. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:02:18 GMT
I think he's a good manager, but it's ridiculous to sack your manager when you're doing well. What kind of message does that send? that we won't put up with shit football and tactical ineptness. Besides I don't believe TP is doing the grand job people make out, for the simple reasons I have mentioned earlier. It can't be hard given an £80M warchest to put a mediocre premiership team together, which in effect is exactly what he has done. But MON plays a similar kind of football, as we've discussed. Plus, results are ultimately more important. What exactly should we be doing? Where should we be? He's turned a championship side who haven't been in the Premier League before into a tough to beat established Premier league team. Again, that doesn't happen for free or overnight. He's done an excellent job.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 29, 2010 18:06:10 GMT
I bet O neil could attract him ;D and many others, simply because of his name. If O Neil is used to a squad like ours then RVD, he'd be a roaring success with us. RVD? ??? I ment Beardy. ;D If Pulis left of his own free will tomorrow i'd be happy for O'Neill to come in as he's a good, experienced if slightly potty manager. However, sacking Pulis is ridiculous when he's done such a good job and would be very similar to chucking out Hughton and bringing in Pardew.
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Post by evans1863 on Dec 29, 2010 18:06:20 GMT
I'm not for one second contemplating sacking Pulis however MON should have been the England boss for the last 4 years. Every club he's been at he's transformed
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