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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 18:07:46 GMT
that we won't put up with shit football and tactical ineptness. Besides I don't believe TP is doing the grand job people make out, for the simple reasons I have mentioned earlier. It can't be hard given an £80M warchest to put a mediocre premiership team together, which in effect is exactly what he has done. But MON plays a similar kind of football, as we've discussed. Plus, results are ultimately more important. What exactly should we be doing? Where should we be? He's turned a championship side who haven't been in the Premier League before into a tough to beat established Premier league team. Again, that doesn't happen for free or overnight. He's done an excellent job. Not for me he hasn't, not given the funds he has had to considerably strengthen the team. He has wasted a hell of a lot of money. He was Brilliant in his first season to keep us up but despite 10's of millions of pounds later has not had the made desired improvement in the team imo considering he has carried on spending.
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 29, 2010 18:07:58 GMT
that we won't put up with shit football and tactical ineptness. Besides I don't believe TP is doing the grand job people make out, for the simple reasons I have mentioned earlier. It can't be hard given an £80M warchest to put a mediocre premiership team together, which in effect is exactly what he has done. But MON plays a similar kind of football, as we've discussed. Plus, results are ultimately more important. What exactly should we be doing? Where should we be? He's turned a championship side who haven't been in the Premier League before into a tough to beat established Premier league team. Again, that doesn't happen for free or overnight. He's done an excellent job. tough to beat ? we have lost 9 games, 4 at home 5 away.only 6 other teams have lost as many. he needs to evolve to keep his record of never being relegated in tact !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:09:26 GMT
But MON plays a similar kind of football, as we've discussed. Plus, results are ultimately more important. What exactly should we be doing? Where should we be? He's turned a championship side who haven't been in the Premier League before into a tough to beat established Premier league team. Again, that doesn't happen for free or overnight. He's done an excellent job. tough to beat ? we have lost 9 games, 4 at home 5 away.only 6 other teams have lost as many. he needs to evolve to keep his record of never being relegated in tact ! Yeah, tough to beat. Everything is relative but for the most part we're a team that other teams don't fancy playing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2010 18:09:36 GMT
I think it is fair to say that Mr Coates isn't thinking what you are thinking!
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 18:10:55 GMT
But MON plays a similar kind of football, as we've discussed. Plus, results are ultimately more important. What exactly should we be doing? Where should we be? He's turned a championship side who haven't been in the Premier League before into a tough to beat established Premier league team. Again, that doesn't happen for free or overnight. He's done an excellent job. tough to beat ? we have lost 9 games, 4 at home 5 away.only 6 other teams have lost as many. he needs to evolve to keep his record of never being relegated in tact ! Exactly, and after so much spent we have yet to see begin happening.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 29, 2010 18:11:48 GMT
I'm not for one second contemplating sacking Pulis however MON should have been the England boss for the last 4 years. Every club he's been at he's transformed How could he transform Stoke? To transform us into a top 4 team would cost another £100million!
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 18:13:30 GMT
I'm not for one second contemplating sacking Pulis however MON should have been the England boss for the last 4 years. Every club he's been at he's transformed How could he transform Stoke? To transform us into a top 4 team would cost another £100million! It's a pitty he wasnt given the £80M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:13:42 GMT
tough to beat ? we have lost 9 games, 4 at home 5 away.only 6 other teams have lost as many. he needs to evolve to keep his record of never being relegated in tact ! Yeah, tough to beat. Everything is relative but for the most part we're a team that other teams don't fancy playing. Which you can understand, after all, it must be frustrating playing against a team with no ambition, and 6 across the back?? We are not tough to beat, it's a myth. Teams that do their homework properly, beat us. We have allied a below-average away record with a pretty poor home one.
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 29, 2010 18:14:01 GMT
tough to beat ? we have lost 9 games, 4 at home 5 away.only 6 other teams have lost as many. he needs to evolve to keep his record of never being relegated in tact ! Yeah, tough to beat. Everything is relative but for the most part we're a team that other teams don't fancy playing. you sound like the opposing manager after they have just beaten us !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:14:27 GMT
Yeah, tough to beat. Everything is relative but for the most part we're a team that other teams don't fancy playing. you sound like the opposing manager after they have just beaten us ! No I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:14:54 GMT
But MON plays a similar kind of football, as we've discussed. Plus, results are ultimately more important. What exactly should we be doing? Where should we be? He's turned a championship side who haven't been in the Premier League before into a tough to beat established Premier league team. Again, that doesn't happen for free or overnight. He's done an excellent job. Not for me he hasn't, not given the funds he has had to considerably strengthen the team. He has wasted a hell of a lot of money. He was Brilliant in his first season to keep us up but despite 10's of millions of pounds later has not had the made desired improvement in the team imo considering he has carried on spending. We've made steady progress season on season.
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Post by Lesalanos on Dec 29, 2010 18:16:19 GMT
If we've lost more games and drawn less then surely we're winning more.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 29, 2010 18:17:01 GMT
It's a pitty he wasnt given the £80M Without the £80m we would not be a midtable Premier league team. Since we got promoted, TP has brought £180million into the club, so it's not like he has spunked all of our money is it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:17:05 GMT
Yeah, tough to beat. Everything is relative but for the most part we're a team that other teams don't fancy playing. Which you can understand, after all, it must be frustrating playing against a team with no ambition, and 6 across the back?? We are not tough to beat, it's a myth. Teams that do their homework properly, beat us. We have allied a below-average away record with a pretty poor home one. There must be a hell of a lot of teams who don't do their homework properly then. I think people are starting to get ahead of themselves a little. We don't have a divine right to be challenging for Europe three seasons in.
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 29, 2010 18:17:07 GMT
you sound like the opposing manager after they have just beaten us ! No I don't. err ,sorry yes you do. they ALL say that after they have beaten us, makes us sound tougher than we really are and gives the feigned respect for Pulis that all managers give to their opposite number after a win. it sounds good for the press
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 29, 2010 18:18:55 GMT
Yeah, tough to beat. Everything is relative but for the most part we're a team that other teams don't fancy playing. you sound like the opposing manager after they have just beaten us ! Better than forever sounding like the little girl who's just dropped her ice cream.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 18:19:57 GMT
Not for me he hasn't, not given the funds he has had to considerably strengthen the team. He has wasted a hell of a lot of money. He was Brilliant in his first season to keep us up but despite 10's of millions of pounds later has not had the made desired improvement in the team imo considering he has carried on spending. We've made steady progress season on season. It still doesnt get away from the fact that he has spent a hell of a lot of money on shit and as a manager has no planB, it was obvious within the first 5 minutes against Fulham that it wasn't going to work, Pulis was hoping something might drop. That, after £80M spent on your tools to combat this scenario would be fucking hillarious if it was some other team. To have spent so much and to have such shit full backs and central midfield is just wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:21:16 GMT
We've made steady progress season on season. It still doesnt get away from the fact that he has spent a hell of a lot of money on shit and as a manager has no planB, it was obvious within the first 5 minutes against Fulham that it wasn't going to work, Pulis was hoping something might drop. That, after £80M spent on your tools to combat this scenario would be fucking hillarious if it was some other team. To have spent so much and to have such shit full backs and central midfield is just wrong. Name me a manager who has been in his job for longer than a season who gets it right every time and never makes a bad signing?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:22:13 GMT
err ,sorry yes you do. they ALL say that after they have beaten us, makes us sound tougher than we really are and gives the feigned respect for Pulis that all managers give to their opposite number after a win. it sounds good for the press 'Feigned respect' ;D Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one day?
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Post by stokemark on Dec 29, 2010 18:23:20 GMT
Our wage bill remains one of the lowest in this league - Man City are spunking millions a week on wages in their pursuit of glory
Its all relative at this level
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:24:37 GMT
Which you can understand, after all, it must be frustrating playing against a team with no ambition, and 6 across the back?? We are not tough to beat, it's a myth. Teams that do their homework properly, beat us. We have allied a below-average away record with a pretty poor home one. There must be a hell of a lot of teams who don't do their homework properly then. I think people are starting to get ahead of themselves a little. We don't have a divine right to be challenging for Europe three seasons in. Not sure whether they are not doing their homework properly, or just that there are some poor teams in our division. Fact is, we aren't hard to beat. A team that is hard to beat would have got more draws and picked up less defeats than we have. I'm not getting ahead of myself...I think that with the current manager, and approach to games, regardless of who the players are*, we are as far now as we're ever going to be. Europe is a pipe-dream as that requires consistency across a season. A 'hit and miss' style of football will not achieve consistency. Hence, 10th place is an achievement. We are at the pinnacle. * I'm making an assumption that any 'very good' player worth his salt, who would drastically improve our starting XI, wouldn't come to Stoke, especially if part of the negotiation process involved them watching us play before signing.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 18:25:41 GMT
It still doesnt get away from the fact that he has spent a hell of a lot of money on shit and as a manager has no planB, it was obvious within the first 5 minutes against Fulham that it wasn't going to work, Pulis was hoping something might drop. That, after £80M spent on your tools to combat this scenario would be fucking hillarious if it was some other team. To have spent so much and to have such shit full backs and central midfield is just wrong. Name me a manager who has been in his job for longer than a season who gets it right every time and never makes a bad signing? Owen Coyle? RVD, he has wasted over £40M on shite, and we still don't have decent fullbacks or a bog-standard premiership midfield to show for his transfer successes. When you have spent £80M and your main tactic is to hooof it aimlessley into the opposistion half in the hope that something will drop is really quite pathetic. Let alone having no plan B.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Dec 29, 2010 18:26:21 GMT
I would think MON would be looking for a top six club - which we are not
Benitez is a pratt who wasted a fortune at Liverpool
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Post by drfootball on Dec 29, 2010 18:32:06 GMT
that we won't put up with shit football and tactical ineptness. Besides I don't believe TP is doing the grand job people make out, for the simple reasons I have mentioned earlier Who`s the WE in this statement?What are your credentials?I WE need to get a reality check I think
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 29, 2010 18:34:02 GMT
There must be a hell of a lot of teams who don't do their homework properly then. I think people are starting to get ahead of themselves a little. We don't have a divine right to be challenging for Europe three seasons in. Not sure whether they are not doing their homework properly, or just that there are some poor teams in our division. Fact is, we aren't hard to beat. A team that is hard to beat would have got more draws and picked up less defeats than we have. I'm not getting ahead of myself...I think that with the current manager, and approach to games, regardless of who the players are*, we are as far now as we're ever going to be. Europe is a pipe-dream as that requires consistence across a season. A 'hit and miss' style of football will not achieve consistency. Ergo, 10 place is an achievement. We are at the pinnacle. * I'm making an assumption that any 'very good' player worth his salt, who would drastically improve our starting XI, wouldn't come to Stoke, especially if part of the negotiation process involved them watching us play before signing. we were harder to beat last 2 seasons. seems this season we have swapped draws for a loss and 2 wins. this time last year we had 23 points, 5 wins, 6 draws and 8 losses
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 29, 2010 18:36:41 GMT
But this season we are on 24 points faf, so who cares? We are not on 14 points, adrift at the bottom of the league
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Post by potterandproud on Dec 29, 2010 18:39:22 GMT
what a great post NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:41:00 GMT
Name me a manager who has been in his job for longer than a season who gets it right every time and never makes a bad signing? Owen Coyle? RVD, he has wasted over £40M on shite, and we still don't have decent fullbacks or a bog-standard premiership midfield to show for his transfer successes. When you have spent £80M and your main tactic is to hooof it aimlessley into the opposistion half in the hope that something will drop is really quite pathetic. Let alone having no plan B. It's not perfect, there's a lot wrong with it, but the proof of the pudding is that we're doing well - top half of the Prem, not far off a Europa league place, creating more chances than we did last year, playing with two wingers. Rome wasn't built in a day. And Owen Coyle signed some right shite at Burnley.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:43:33 GMT
There must be a hell of a lot of teams who don't do their homework properly then. I think people are starting to get ahead of themselves a little. We don't have a divine right to be challenging for Europe three seasons in. Not sure whether they are not doing their homework properly, or just that there are some poor teams in our division. Fact is, we aren't hard to beat. A team that is hard to beat would have got more draws and picked up less defeats than we have. I'm not getting ahead of myself...I think that with the current manager, and approach to games, regardless of who the players are*, we are as far now as we're ever going to be. Europe is a pipe-dream as that requires consistency across a season. A 'hit and miss' style of football will not achieve consistency. Hence, 10th place is an achievement. We are at the pinnacle. * I'm making an assumption that any 'very good' player worth his salt, who would drastically improve our starting XI, wouldn't come to Stoke, especially if part of the negotiation process involved them watching us play before signing. Here are my problems with this: - Nobody outside the top five is massively consistent. - Funny how the "boo hoo, it's not Pulis, it's that all the other teams are rubbish" line is trotted out EVERY BLOODY YEAR. - And every year we get "talented players won't come to Stoke" and then every year we bring in an Etherington, Tuncay or Pennant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:44:06 GMT
Owen Coyle? RVD, he has wasted over £40M on shite, and we still don't have decent fullbacks or a bog-standard premiership midfield to show for his transfer successes. When you have spent £80M and your main tactic is to hooof it aimlessley into the opposistion half in the hope that something will drop is really quite pathetic. Let alone having no plan B. It's not perfect, there's a lot wrong with it, but the proof of the pudding is that we're doing well - top half of the Prem, not far off a Europa league place, creating more chances than we did last year, playing with two wingers. Rome wasn't built in a day. And Owen Coyle signed some right shite at Burnley. creating more chances than we did last year. Are we really? In the games I've watched (all but one) I'd say we don't 'create' much at all. Did you use the word 'create' by mistake? ;D
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