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Post by canadianmoose on Dec 29, 2010 13:52:43 GMT
Before I get a torrent of abuse this is not a reaction to a few shite performances. Its more an objective consideration of the future planning of the club. There are 2 very good unemployed managers out there Martin O' neill and Raphael Benitez. I would be thinking very seriously about a change in the summer. Both O'neill and Benitez play a cautious style of football similar to TP' tactics but they are far superior in terms of tactical ability. Benitez lives on the Wirral and O'neill in the midlands. I think they could both be interested in Coates vision for the future. There are not too many managers around who could improve on what TP has achieved but either of these could. Forward planning Mr Coates please and this could be perfect timing BENITEZ!!!!!!
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2010 13:57:46 GMT
o'neill or rafa? no thanks, rafa is a nut case who cant handle pressure, and with fans like you he will need to beable to handle pressure. oneill wastes money and the majority of villa players were happy he left, that speaks volumes Whilst the original poster is quite clearly talking through his arse about Benitez, I'd fucking love to know where you get your information reference O'Neill and the players. Have you spoken to these players? Have you fuck, all the interviews I've read have been Villa players gutted he left. H
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Post by march4 on Dec 29, 2010 13:58:04 GMT
I'd like to think Tony Pulis has the intelligence and foresight to tweek a few things in future games. If he doesn't see what is wrong still then I'm afraid he has taken this club as far as he can. Steve McClaren would be my number 1 choice, good club record with Middlesborough and in Holland, good knowledge of German and dutch players who 95% of them earn less than the average premiership player. McClaren ;D ;D ;D Hilarious. That got me choking on a mince pie. Admin can we pin this thread for comedy value!
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 14:05:29 GMT
I'd like to think Tony Pulis has the intelligence and foresight to tweek a few things in future games. If he doesn't see what is wrong still then I'm afraid he has taken this club as far as he can. Steve McClaren would be my number 1 choice, good club record with Middlesborough and in Holland, good knowledge of German and dutch players who 95% of them earn less than the average premiership player. McClaren ;D ;D ;D Hilarious. That got me choking on a mince pie. Admin can we pin this thread for comedy value! ??? ;D What so funny abourt that? Even the deepest brown nosed Pulis lovers such as yourself should be able to see that he has a better C.V than Pulis and has not spent £80m to do it?
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 14:06:33 GMT
speaking of mince pies....
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Post by serpico on Dec 29, 2010 14:08:02 GMT
We're in the top half of the premier league, i don't think there is a manager out there who could be doing a better job than Pulis at the moment, not even O'Neil or Benetez.
Realistically, we can't do a whole lot better than we're doing right now, Pulis is pretty much getting the maximum from the players he has, unless people actually think a European spot is realistic ? imo, we're not at that level yet, we need another couple of seasons.
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Post by drfootball on Dec 29, 2010 14:09:40 GMT
I CANNOT believe Mike Newell or Paul Ince havn`t been mentioned.
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 29, 2010 14:26:50 GMT
When you said 2 good managers unemployed i would have thought chris houghton would have been one of them thats what you get for thinking !
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 29, 2010 14:27:57 GMT
lets hope that Mr Coates gave TP a "crash course on football tactics" book for Christmas
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 14:30:23 GMT
lets hope that Mr Coates gave TP a "crash course on football tactics" book for Christmas ;D Or a book on simple soloutions using common sense and basic logic.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 29, 2010 15:31:48 GMT
;D ;D ;D Funniest post I have ever read. The sentence that includes 'Rafa Benitez' and 'good manager' is a classic. I spat my cup of tea onto my keyboard. Indeed, 2 Spanish titles, a Uefa Cup and a Champions League must mean he's the shittest manager around. O'Neill would come to Stoke, the fat waiter wouldn't. Not that I'd want him. Pulis doesn't need replacing, he just needs to get a brain when it comes to team selection. Selecting the same side as Sunday for yesterdays match smacks of lazy arsed management or complete incompetency.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 15:41:06 GMT
o'neill or rafa? no thanks, rafa is a nut case who cant handle pressure, and with fans like you he will need to beable to handle pressure. oneill wastes money and the majority of villa players were happy he left, that speaks volumes Whilst the original poster is quite clearly talking through his arse about Benitez, I'd fucking love to know where you get your information reference O'Neill and the players. Have you spoken to these players? Have you fuck, all the interviews I've read have been Villa players gutted he left. H So gutted that they were allegedly texting pictures of bottles of champagne to each other on hearing of his sacking. McClaren is a very good club manager. I don't know what's funnier, the idea that Benitez would come to Stoke (and I for one wouldn't want him anyway, the whinging shithouse) or the idea that it's somehow a savvy business move to destabilise a club that's doing well by sacking a successful manager.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 29, 2010 15:41:45 GMT
McClaren ;D ;D ;D Hilarious. That got me choking on a mince pie. Admin can we pin this thread for comedy value! ??? ;D What so funny abourt that? Even the deepest brown nosed Pulis lovers such as yourself should be able to see that he has a better C.V than Pulis and has not spent £80m to do it? I don't know the sites where you can check the numbers but McClaren spent a fortune at Boro. Also Steve Gibson has got very few good things to say about him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 15:42:46 GMT
??? ;D What so funny abourt that? Even the deepest brown nosed Pulis lovers such as yourself should be able to see that he has a better C.V than Pulis and has not spent £80m to do it? I don't know the sites where you can check the numbers but McClaren spent a fortune at Boro. Also Steve Gibson has got very few good things to say about him. While I'm sure that's true, what he achieved at a club like Boro is impressive.
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Post by march4 on Dec 29, 2010 15:49:32 GMT
I don't know the sites where you can check the numbers but McClaren spent a fortune at Boro. Also Steve Gibson has got very few good things to say about him. While I'm sure that's true, what he achieved at a club like Boro is impressive. For example, having a season ticket thrown in his face by a disgruntled fan ;D The 'wally with a brolley' and his Dutch accent should be banned from entering the UK again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 15:52:52 GMT
While I'm sure that's true, what he achieved at a club like Boro is impressive. For example, having a season ticket thrown in his face by a disgruntled fan ;D The 'wally with a brolley' and his Dutch accent should be banned from entering the UK again. Given who your hero is I think you're on a slightly sticky wicket there mate Winning a league cup, reaching a European final, becoming the first British manager to win the Eredivisie...
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 15:58:54 GMT
While I'm sure that's true, what he achieved at a club like Boro is impressive. For example, having a season ticket thrown in his face by a disgruntled fan ;D The 'wally with a brolley' and his Dutch accent should be banned from entering the UK again. Whilst I 110% agree about the dutch accent, your counter really is as poor as they come. Disgruntled fans you get everywhere, has TP never been in contention for the England job, never mind selected for it? Do you think he ever will be? Your blind if you don't think McClaren could do just as good, if not better job than Pulis with the resources Pulis has been given. Jus have a careful read... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_mcclaren
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 29, 2010 16:06:27 GMT
When the time comes, which will be in a few years, to replace the manager Martin O'Neil would be the ideal successor for Pulis. Without being disrespectful to Super Tone, O'Neil is like a better version of him.
The big question would be would we be in a strong enough position to get him. I think we'd have to be top 8 with a five year Premiershit history behind us before he'd consider us.
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Post by actongatestokie on Dec 29, 2010 16:08:00 GMT
Martin O'Neill?
The guy who paid 8M for a centre half and stuck him at right back? The guy who has played with two massive target men up front? The guy who has two sitting midfielders and two wingers?
Ring any bells?
;D
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 29, 2010 16:08:06 GMT
I don't know the sites where you can check the numbers but McClaren spent a fortune at Boro. Also Steve Gibson has got very few good things to say about him. While I'm sure that's true, what he achieved at a club like Boro is impressive. And so is what Pulis has achieved at a club like ours. I'm not knocking McClaren, I just don't see Pulis as the devil and him as the saviour.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 16:08:27 GMT
When the time comes, which will be in a few years, to replace the manager Martin O'Neil would be the ideal successor for Pulis. Without being disrespectful to Super Tone, O'Neil is like a better version of him. The big question would be would we be in a strong enough position to get him. I think we'd have to be top 8 with a five year Premiershit history behind us before he'd consider us. Who is to say he won't be doing bigger and better things then, he is available now whilst the messiah continues to spunk millions on a plan A.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 16:10:05 GMT
When the time comes, which will be in a few years, to replace the manager Martin O'Neil would be the ideal successor for Pulis. Without being disrespectful to Super Tone, O'Neil is like a better version of him. The big question would be would we be in a strong enough position to get him. I think we'd have to be top 8 with a five year Premiershit history behind us before he'd consider us. Who is to say he won't be doing bigger and better things then, he is available now whilst the messiah continues to spunk millions on a plan A. Yeah, and what a disaster that's proving to be eh, six whole points off a Europa league spot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 16:11:28 GMT
While I'm sure that's true, what he achieved at a club like Boro is impressive. And so is what Pulis has achieved at a club like ours. I'm not knocking McClaren, I just don't see Pulis as the devil and him as the saviour. No I agree, I think talking of sacking the manager is completely fucking retarded a bit daft.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 16:14:20 GMT
Who is to say he won't be doing bigger and better things then, he is available now whilst the messiah continues to spunk millions on a plan A. Yeah, and what a disaster that's proving to be eh, six whole points off a Europa league spot. Don't know how to say this without it coming out wrong, but so he fucking should with the amount of money he has spent, more than half of that has bought shite players and all in all shite football.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 16:16:45 GMT
Give some managers Pulis's resources and it blows the mind to think they would only need half of it as they would use the foreign market.
Wigan's achievements since they have been in the Premiership ( may I add a lot longer than us) far eclipse anything Pulis has achieved as a Stoke manager with a very useful chairman.
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Post by march4 on Dec 29, 2010 16:18:09 GMT
"McClaren was accused by rival managers as having a "pot of gold" provided by Gibson to buy players, giving him an advantage over other teams when signing players. Despite this, towards the latter end of his tenure McClaren was criticised by supporters of using negative tactics and earning Middlesbrough the tag of a "dull" side. Some observers attributed Middlesbrough's success to the senior, experienced players in the side rather than McClaren's managerial ability."
I know admin don't like us pasting sections of other sites, but this is the summary of McClaren's time at 'Boro.
He is a woeful manager.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 16:18:42 GMT
Yeah, and what a disaster that's proving to be eh, six whole points off a Europa league spot. Don't know how to say this without it coming out wrong, but so he fucking should with the amount of money he has spent, more than half of that has bought shite players and all in all shite football. Look at the money Sunderland have spent in the last few years and they're only just getting it right now. Look at the mess Villa are in - they've spent more than we have in recent years as well. Look at all the teams below us who've been here for so much longer and the millions they've spent over the years. You don't successfully turn yourself from a Championship team who have been away from the top flight for nearly a quarter of a century into an established Premier League team without spending some money, and you're invariably going to sign some duffers when you're doing that.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 16:21:19 GMT
"McClaren was accused by rival managers as having a "pot of gold" provided by Gibson to buy players, giving him an advantage over other teams when signing players. Despite this, towards the latter end of his tenure McClaren was criticised by supporters of using negative tactics and earning Middlesbrough the tag of a "dull" side. Some observers attributed Middlesbrough's success to the senior, experienced players in the side rather than McClaren's managerial ability." I know admin don't like us pasting sections of other sites, but this is the summary of McClaren's time at 'Boro. He is a woeful manager. ;D Give it up March.
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Post by Kirstendunstslovebubbles on Dec 29, 2010 16:22:45 GMT
Don't know how to say this without it coming out wrong, but so he fucking should with the amount of money he has spent, more than half of that has bought shite players and all in all shite football. Look at the money Sunderland have spent in the last few years and they're only just getting it right now. Look at the mess Villa are in - they've spent more than we have in recent years as well. Look at all the teams below us who've been here for so much longer and the millions they've spent over the years. You don't successfully turn yourself from a Championship team who have been away from the top flight for nearly a quarter of a century into an established Premier League team without spending some money, and you're invariably going to sign some duffers when you're doing that. All clubs sign duffers at some point. Not one club can say that every single signing they've made has worked out. United - Djemba Djemba, Kleberson Chelsea - Mutu, Shevchenko, Crespo The list goes on
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 16:23:05 GMT
"McClaren was accused by rival managers as having a "pot of gold" provided by Gibson to buy players, giving him an advantage over other teams when signing players. Despite this, towards the latter end of his tenure McClaren was criticised by supporters of using negative tactics and earning Middlesbrough the tag of a "dull" side. Some observers attributed Middlesbrough's success to the senior, experienced players in the side rather than McClaren's managerial ability." I know admin don't like us pasting sections of other sites, but this is the summary of McClaren's time at 'Boro. He is a woeful manager. Did those senior Boro players win him the Dutch league with a no mark team as well? How did it work out for Boro when they replaced Schteve with one of those "senior players?"
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