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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 21, 2010 22:47:38 GMT
Don't set me off now you bastard, it's the season of goodwill so I'm trying to get off my DC hobby horse for a bit! (although I have just cracked on another thread! ) My best mate is a mag, and after they stuffed us this season he said to me "you must be finding it hard to back Steve Bruce after that surely?". My reply was, and I meant every word, "Quite the contrary. I am still, and always will be, eternally grateful to Steve Bruce for ridding my club of Danny Collins.". To me, Collins really is that bad and I can't tell you how sick to the stomach it made me feel every time he pulled on a Sunderland shirt. That's pretty damning stuff mate. (Although I can believe it!)
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Post by surreystokie on Dec 21, 2010 22:47:47 GMT
If pushed, I'd be very happy with Henderson. Gyan! Would want him to score goals but couldn't stand watching him celebrate by looking as if he is sh...... himself.
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Post by chinesedave on Dec 21, 2010 23:13:58 GMT
Bruce loves to sign centre backs, but with Turner, Mensah, and Bramble here already, I can't see Bruce being willing to pay what it would be required to get Shawcross. Shawcross has not been the same player since the Ramsey leg break...would still hate to see him go to a club like Sunderland though...
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Post by Roy Cropper on Dec 22, 2010 0:11:11 GMT
he has also failed to control and pick a pass with the ball. Not bad hey pick? Well of course you'll think he's shit if your making things up about him. Seriously why talk such shit, you know it is a load of bollocks?!
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Post by djcstokey on Dec 22, 2010 1:25:59 GMT
havent read any of the other posts, and i'm pretty drunk right now, but fuck you sunderland, if you want him, come get him, but i'll be fucking standing in the way
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 1:34:30 GMT
havent read any of the other posts, and i'm pretty drunk right now, but fuck you sunderland, if you want him, come get him, but i'll be fucking standing in the way It's ok, I am fairly sure we don't. We already have better. Come to think of it, so do Stoke.
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Post by basingstokie on Dec 22, 2010 8:41:00 GMT
I think it's pretty safe to assume that when Ryan goes, it'll be to one of the big boys. Agree, can't see why a move to Sunderland would improve his career. He appears happy at Stoke, so barring a catastrophic season for us (ie relegation) or Sunderland somehow breaking into the big 4/5/6/whatever I can't see him leaving us for them
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Dec 22, 2010 8:54:17 GMT
as if Ryan would want to go to a lesser team.
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 9:11:03 GMT
as if Ryan would want to go to a lesser team. The league table lying to us, like? Funny how no one here thought the league table lied when it had you above us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2010 9:25:03 GMT
Sunderland fans have had a problem with league tables since we're got promoted! They've been better than us despite finishing below us for two years and we are the dirty side despite the fair play league telling a different story and them having Lee bite yer legs Cattermole!
Seriously though you can't see it unless they're top 5 or 6 this year and they sell it to him as part of a wider 'going for it' spending spree.
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 9:26:41 GMT
Sunderland fans have had a problem with league tables since we're got promoted! They've been better than us despite finishing below us for two years and we are the dirty side despite the fair play league telling a different story and them having Lee bite yer legs Cattermole! Seriously though you can't see it unless they're top 5 or 6 this year and they sell it to him as part of a wider 'going for it' spending spree. A bit similar to the problems with the league tables the Stoke fans such as beepbeep are experiencing now?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 9:27:57 GMT
as if Ryan would want to go to a lesser team. The league table lying to us, like? Funny how no one here thought the league table lied when it had you above us. I think most of us see ourselves on a par with Sunderland, certainly in the same mini-league within the Prem. Meanwhile on the Shawcross to Sunderland subject - it isn't going to happen. Sunderland don't have the pulling power to attract him. It would be a sideways move when he has a number of upward moves open to him at anytime he pleases.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 9:30:17 GMT
We are definitely in the same bracket as Sunderland. On the evidence of the past couple of seasons we are slightly better too but we’re definitely in the same bracket.
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 9:35:56 GMT
The league table lying to us, like? Funny how no one here thought the league table lied when it had you above us. I think most of us see ourselves on a par with Sunderland, certainly in the same mini-league within the Prem. Meanwhile on the Shawcross to Sunderland subject - it isn't going to happen. Sunderland don't have the pulling power to attract him. It would be a sideways move when he has a number of upward moves open to him at anytime he pleases. He is a fine player, but I'd say we definitely have the pulling power to get him. If we can attract the likes of Bent and Gyan, we can attract Shawcross. I agree that it isn't going to happen, though. I doubt we have that kind of money to spend on another defender when we are already immensely strong in that area. If Stoke can attract Jones from Sunderland, then Sunderland can attract Shawcross from Stoke.
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 9:36:22 GMT
We are definitely in the same bracket as Sunderland. On the evidence of the past couple of seasons we are slightly better too but we’re definitely in the same bracket. And on the evidence of this season?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 9:37:50 GMT
We are definitely in the same bracket as Sunderland. On the evidence of the past couple of seasons we are slightly better too but we’re definitely in the same bracket. And on the evidence of this season? Who knows? I haven't got a crystal ball. I will report back in May. Unless you think trophies and prize money are handed out in December. WD
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 9:43:57 GMT
And on the evidence of this season? Who knows? I haven't got a crystal ball. I will report back in May. Unless you think trophies and prize money are handed out in December. WD Well we are half way through the season, and we are sitting 6 points above you (although admittedly you have a very tough game in hand) and we have beaten you this season. Meanwhile, the evidence of the last couple of seasons only suggests that you WERE better than us, not are. One of the seasons you admit for evidence was when both teams were very different. I think only Bardsley, Gordan, and Richardson remain for us from that season as regulars, yet you dismiss the most recent evidence. Seems a little blinkered to me. The evidence from this season only offers a suggestion rtaher than any conclusions at the moment, but it offers a hell of a lot more relevence than the 2008/9 season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 9:48:54 GMT
Who knows? I haven't got a crystal ball. I will report back in May. Unless you think trophies and prize money are handed out in December. WD Well we are half way through the season, and we are sitting 6 points above you (although admittedly you have a very tough game in hand) and we have beaten you this season. Meanwhile, the evidence of the last couple of seasons only suggests that you WERE better than us, not are. One of the seasons you admit for evidence was when both teams were very different. I think only Bardsley, Gordan, and Richardson remain for us from that season as regulars, yet you dismiss the most recent evidence. Seems a little blinkered to me. The evidence from this season only offers a suggestion rtaher than any conclusions at the moment, but it offers a hell of a lot more relevence than the 2008/9 season. Correct, you are doing well at the half way point. We’ve finished above you for 2 seasons running, which is a more accurate picture. If you want to ignore that (which I would if I were you as it is extremely damaging to your argument) then so be it. 38 matches is what teams are judged on. I get the impression you are really happy with what you have “achieved” at the half way point (i.e. nothing) and I am pleased for you. As any proper fan knows though, May tells the true picture. WD
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2010 10:00:14 GMT
You look like you've improved but I'm not sure you've surpassed us far enough yet to tempt our Captain away from us.
It seems unlikely but £20M seems to be a price we would listen to. Do Sunderland have that sort of money to spend on a defender?
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 10:01:42 GMT
Well we are half way through the season, and we are sitting 6 points above you (although admittedly you have a very tough game in hand) and we have beaten you this season. Meanwhile, the evidence of the last couple of seasons only suggests that you WERE better than us, not are. One of the seasons you admit for evidence was when both teams were very different. I think only Bardsley, Gordan, and Richardson remain for us from that season as regulars, yet you dismiss the most recent evidence. Seems a little blinkered to me. The evidence from this season only offers a suggestion rtaher than any conclusions at the moment, but it offers a hell of a lot more relevence than the 2008/9 season. Correct, you are doing well at the half way point. We’ve finished above you for 2 seasons running, which is a more accurate picture. If you want to ignore that (which I would if I were you as it is extremely damaging to your argument) then so be it. 38 matches is what teams are judged on. I get the impression you are really happy with what you have “achieved” at the half way point (i.e. nothing) and I am pleased for you. As any proper fan knows though, May tells the true picture. WD So, in your opinion, the fact that is team... Sorensen
Wilkinson Shawcross Faye Higginbotham
Lawrence Delap Whelan Etherington
Beattie Fuller ... finished above this team... Fulop
Bardsley Davenport Ferdinand Collins
Malbranque Leadbitter Whitehead Richardson
Jones Cissé ...is even remotely relevent in proving that this team... Begovic
Wilkinson Huth Shawcross Collins
Pennant Whitehead Delap Etherington
Jones Fuller is better than this one? Gordon
Onuoha Turner Bramble Bardsley
Henderson Cattermole Richardson
Gyan Bent Welbeck
What are you going to offer for your next argument? That you finished higher than Man City in 1997 which proves you have the better side now? ;D In all seriousness, Stoke have more of our team from 2008/9 now than we have ffs. ;D
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Post by nott1 on Dec 22, 2010 10:05:11 GMT
What a load of bollocks...as if we'd let him go there!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 10:05:48 GMT
Correct, you are doing well at the half way point. We’ve finished above you for 2 seasons running, which is a more accurate picture. If you want to ignore that (which I would if I were you as it is extremely damaging to your argument) then so be it. 38 matches is what teams are judged on. I get the impression you are really happy with what you have “achieved” at the half way point (i.e. nothing) and I am pleased for you. As any proper fan knows though, May tells the true picture. WD So, in your opinion, the fact that is team... Sorensen
Wilkinson Shawcross Faye Higginbotham
Lawrence Delap Whelan Etherington
Beattie Fuller ... finished above this team... Fulop
Bardsley Davenport Ferdinand Collins
Malbranque Leadbitter Whitehead Richardson
Jones Cissé ...is even remotely relevent in proving that this team... Begovic
Wilkinson Huth Shawcross Collins
Pennant Whitehead Delap Etherington
Jones Fuller is better than this one? Gordon
Onuoha Turner Bramble Bardsley
Henderson Cattermole Richardson
Gyan Bent Welbeck
What are you going to offer for your next argument? That you finished higher than Man City in 1997 which proves you have the better side now? ;D In all seriousness, Stoke have more of our team from 2008/9 now than we have ffs. ;D You seem like you are putting a lot of effort into this tête-à-tête so I assume I have touched some kind of nerve. I think your argument boils down to “we are above you in December, so we are now better than you, despite you finishing above us for 2 seasons running” which is up there with the weakest arguments ever witnessed on this board (and as you know, this place is full of daft cunts). The December table counts for absolutely nothing. Nothing is won or lost now. I suspect deep down you know this but as every other factor available points to us being the better team, you have nothing else to bat with. So fair play I suppose. WD
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 10:06:00 GMT
You look like you've improved but I'm not sure you've surpassed us far enough yet to tempt our Captain away from us. It seems unlikely but £20M seems to be a price we would listen to. Do Sunderland have that sort of money to spend on a defender? There is no way we'd spend a massive, or even a large-ish, fee on a defender right now. We have kept the most clean sheets in the league (9 in our 18 games) so realistically is spending a huge amount on a defender going to show enough improvement to justify the money? No chance imo. Our defence has done that well that I am not even sure Shawcross would get a game for us when everyone was fit. I think we could attract him, though, if we really wanted to and Stoke were prepared to sell. Pulis advertised to the world when you signed Jones that we are prepared to pay more wages than Stoke for one thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 10:08:47 GMT
If/when Shawcross leaves us, he won’t take a sideways step (i.e. Sunderland), he’ll go to one of the big clubs (Man Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle etc).
This is fact.
End of thread.
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 10:12:32 GMT
So, in your opinion, the fact that is team... Sorensen
Wilkinson Shawcross Faye Higginbotham
Lawrence Delap Whelan Etherington
Beattie Fuller ... finished above this team... Fulop
Bardsley Davenport Ferdinand Collins
Malbranque Leadbitter Whitehead Richardson
Jones Cissé ...is even remotely relevent in proving that this team... Begovic
Wilkinson Huth Shawcross Collins
Pennant Whitehead Delap Etherington
Jones Fuller is better than this one? Gordon
Onuoha Turner Bramble Bardsley
Henderson Cattermole Richardson
Gyan Bent Welbeck
What are you going to offer for your next argument? That you finished higher than Man City in 1997 which proves you have the better side now? ;D In all seriousness, Stoke have more of our team from 2008/9 now than we have ffs. ;D You seem like you are putting a lot of effort into this tête-à-tête so I assume I have touched some kind of nerve. I think your argument boils down to “we are above you in December, so we are now better than you, despite you finishing above us for 2 seasons running” which is up there with the weakest arguments ever witnessed on this board (and as you know, this place is full of daft cunts). The December table counts for absolutely nothing. Nothing is won or lost now. I suspect deep down you know this but as every other factor available points to us being the better team, you have nothing else to bat with. So fair play I suppose. WD Not touched a nerve. I just love a debate, t'is all, and it's just started snowing again so really not interested in venturing out and doing anything actually constructive for a bit. ;D If that is what you think my argument is then you have completely misunderstood it. As I have said before, the table right now reaches no conclusions. It just offers a suggestion. But that suggestion is infinitely more relevent to the question in hand to any conclusions drawn by the respective finishes two teams a couple of years ago which don't exist anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 10:13:48 GMT
You seem like you are putting a lot of effort into this tête-à-tête so I assume I have touched some kind of nerve. I think your argument boils down to “we are above you in December, so we are now better than you, despite you finishing above us for 2 seasons running” which is up there with the weakest arguments ever witnessed on this board (and as you know, this place is full of daft cunts). The December table counts for absolutely nothing. Nothing is won or lost now. I suspect deep down you know this but as every other factor available points to us being the better team, you have nothing else to bat with. So fair play I suppose. WD Not touched a nerve. I just love a debate, t'is all, and it's just started snowing again so really not interested in venturing out and doing anything actually constructive for a bit. ;D If that is what you think my argument is then you have completely misunderstood it. As I have said before, the table right now reaches no conclusions. It just offers a suggestion. But that suggestion is infinitely more relevent to the question in hand to any conclusions drawn by the respective finishes two teams a couple of years ago which don't exist anymore. You've answered your own question. The standings right now count for nothing. Come back in May. WD
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 10:15:33 GMT
If/when Shawcross leaves us, he won’t take a sideways step (i.e. Sunderland), he’ll go to one of the big clubs (Man Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle etc). This is fact. End of thread. Gerrin ;D Looks like it is actually me who has actually touched a nerve. ;D No clearer sign that you are definintely strugging here if you are resorting to that. ;D
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2010 10:15:50 GMT
Before this thread ends can I point out that Steve Bruce's middle name is Roger. That please me way more than it should. Thread can end now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 10:17:37 GMT
If/when Shawcross leaves us, he won’t take a sideways step (i.e. Sunderland), he’ll go to one of the big clubs (Man Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle etc). This is fact. End of thread. Gerrin ;D Looks like it is actually me who has actually touched a nerve. ;D No clearer sign that you are definintely strugging here if you are resorting to that. ;D Just a bit of humour kid. Don't read too much into it. WD
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Post by captainfishpaste on Dec 22, 2010 10:18:00 GMT
Not touched a nerve. I just love a debate, t'is all, and it's just started snowing again so really not interested in venturing out and doing anything actually constructive for a bit. ;D If that is what you think my argument is then you have completely misunderstood it. As I have said before, the table right now reaches no conclusions. It just offers a suggestion. But that suggestion is infinitely more relevent to the question in hand to any conclusions drawn by the respective finishes two teams a couple of years ago which don't exist anymore. You've answered your own question. The standings right now count for nothing. Come back in May. WD They count for more than the respective finishes of 2 teams who no longer exist. A hell of a lot more.
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