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Post by rambo61 on Mar 11, 2010 17:59:05 GMT
On the way to Burnley last night the discussion turned to the "platignum plus" bollocks. After missing 4 games away last season and none this,I dont qualify for a freeby. Not being prepared to pay extra for a card the feeling from all of us was anger and bewilderment. How can the club possibly justify pissing so many fans off for the sake of £25 grand!! For fucks sake it doesn,t even pay Collins wages for a week!!! If Malcolm Clarke reads this ,where were the fans forum when this grubby bit of money making bullshit was discussed?? Iwonder what Scholes will decide next. Charge in the ground for a piss!!!? Strength through unity......Like my arse!  |
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Post by mcf on Mar 11, 2010 18:05:26 GMT
Good business I reckon.
Bargain for £50.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Mar 11, 2010 18:07:24 GMT
Since when is Danny Collins on more than £25k a week?  |
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Post by boozo on Mar 11, 2010 19:05:30 GMT
i agree with the sentiment and for one do not in any way accept the introduction of this new scheme as a good thing.
However - there were plenty of empty seats at burnley last night so maybe its not going to be as bigger problem as first thought - i mean burnleys only 70 miles away and cannot sell out.
And yes the pies were wank
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Post by 58Potter on Mar 11, 2010 19:16:08 GMT
i agree with the sentiment and for one do not in any way accept the introduction of this new scheme as a good thing. However - there were plenty of empty seats at burnley last night so maybe its not going to be as bigger problem as first thought - i mean burnleys only 70 miles away and cannot sell out. And yes the pies were wank It is the 'high profile' games that it will effect methinks, and how does the platinum membership affect regular away game attendee's, do they get second dibs only behind platinum plus or not ? as in theory there could be as many as 10,000 of these  |
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Post by The Torch on Mar 11, 2010 19:41:02 GMT
not even 25k, talking to paul (ticket office) when i went to renew and get me freebee plat +, he reckons there were a total of 500 less the 240 odd who qualified for a free one, so theoretically it could only be 12 to 13 grand.
even though i am guaranteed an away ticket next year, will still be down there at 7 on ticket day,
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Post by banburypotter on Mar 11, 2010 20:04:12 GMT
i am more concerned that you lot could engage in such in depth conversation ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D on a more serious note phil, if you have only missed 4 games in 2 seasons and can't get a freebie then the criteria for the scheme needs instant reviewing. the rest of us down here in the sticks have no fucking hope |
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Post by salopstick on Mar 11, 2010 20:05:53 GMT
i agree with the sentiment and for one do not in any way accept the introduction of this new scheme as a good thing. However - there were plenty of empty seats at burnley last night so maybe its not going to be as bigger problem as first thought - i mean burnleys only 70 miles away and cannot sell out. And yes the pies were wank people moan about not being able to get away tickets but pass up 2 gimees in burnley and wigan |
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Post by Tubes on Mar 11, 2010 20:07:14 GMT
the "freebie" was just announced to try and placate supporter unrest about the issue, I wouldn't be surprised to see it disappear next season. The whole thing really stinks.
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Post by wigginbird on Mar 11, 2010 20:22:01 GMT
On the way to Burnley last night the discussion turned to the "platignum plus" bollocks. After missing 4 games away last season and none this,I dont qualify for a freeby. Not being prepared to pay extra for a card the feeling from all of us was anger and bewilderment. How can the club possibly justify pissing so many fans off for the sake of £25 grand!! For fucks sake it doesn,t even pay Collins wages for a week!!! If Malcolm Clarke reads this ,where were the fans forum when this grubby bit of money making bullshit was discussed?? Iwonder what Scholes will decide next. Charge in the ground for a piss!!!? Strength through unity......Like my arse! Malcolm clarke is the Football Supporters Federation, not the Fans Forum ........... If you have only missed 4 in 2 seasons, can;t see how you DONT qualify for a freebie |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 11, 2010 20:22:57 GMT
The fans forum were discussing the temperature of the pies while Scoles slipped this one under the radar. It's a matter of priorities you know.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 12, 2010 8:36:26 GMT
i agree with the sentiment and for one do not in any way accept the introduction of this new scheme as a good thing. However - there were plenty of empty seats at burnley last night so maybe its not going to be as bigger problem as first thought - i mean burnleys only 70 miles away and cannot sell out. And yes the pies were wank It is the 'high profile' games that it will effect methinks, and how does the platinum membership affect regular away game attendee's, do they get second dibs only behind platinum plus or not ? as in theory there could be as many as 10,000 of these Platinum do get second dibs behind platinum+ members as you say 10,000 could join even if only say 5,000 join @ £30 each thats £150k some quite serious money for selling old rope by Mr Scholes and this is I believe the real aim of the scheme and don't believe Uncle Peter won't have been fully aware of this and approved of it. |
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Post by mcf on Mar 12, 2010 9:27:51 GMT
you have to make money where u can
car parking
programmes
match day draw tickets
entry to that corner pub
higher price tickets for the 'better stands' or 'better seats'
club shop
food
ale
now away tickets
hardly criminal or excessive
if you want to guarentee to go to away games, u should have coughed up, otherwise, tough shit.
It's the way of the world.
A platinum + card is the equivalent to 15 pints or 10 packs of fags - sort your priororities out.
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Post by Baggs on Mar 12, 2010 9:37:20 GMT
If it helps you can have my ticket at face value for any away games I can't make, that probably includes OT and Anfield (subject to fixtures)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2010 10:07:45 GMT
If it was a good idea, built on a base of fairness and equity then the Fans Forum would have been consulted and it would have been launched with a fanfare of heavenly trumpets. However, it is a grubby little scheme concieved by a grubby and classless individual and as such was not put before fans for discussion and was launched in a slimy underhand way with ammendments to the scheme apparently devised at will on the back of fag packets.
It is an idefensible act of an indefensible cunt but like most horrendous acts there is a positive and that is it will now surely wake up the fans forum to the fact that Scholes has been using them as a tuppeny whore for too long and they might finally grow a pair of bollocks.
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Post by mcf on Mar 12, 2010 10:17:37 GMT
It's now time to wake up to the fact that a Fan Forum is a complete waste of time regardless.
A football club should know what its fans want.
It is a good idea Shakester otherwise they would not have sold the membership.
The most loyal, according to attendance got theirs for free, and others have the chance to buy them where both parties gain.
It is not like anybody will truly miss out.
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Post by Tubes on Mar 12, 2010 10:22:32 GMT
you have to make money where you can car parking programmes match day draw tickets entry to that corner pub higher price tickets for the 'better stands' or 'better seats' club shop food ale now away tickets hardly criminal or excessive if you want to guarentee to go to away games, you should have coughed up, otherwise, tough shit. It's the way of the world. A platinum + card is the equivalent to 15 pints or 10 packs of fags - sort your priororities out. it's not about priorities is it? Yes, I'm sure those who already attend many away games can afford it but why should we? if it's just about making money maybe we should become the footballing equivalent of Ryanair, and start charging users an extra £5 to use the turnstiles, £30 renewal fee on season tickets, £5 to use the toilet, £20 for use of a queue jump window at the ticket office, £5 if you pay by any means other than Mastercard pre-paid. it's not about the fact that it's "only" the price of 15 pints and you know it. |
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Post by ladyinred on Mar 12, 2010 10:35:47 GMT
The way I see it ther are 2 catergories of supporters that really lose out:-
a) Those that attend 60-79% of away matches and usually qualify for 1st sale priority due to X amount of games already attended.
Presuming that these people have missed out on purchasing one of 250 plat + memberships then they have 2 choices. Pay £30 to be lower priority than they currently are, or gamble that there will be a low take up of Platinum memebership and hope that Gold 3rd priority will be enough to get tickets.
B) Those that go to less than 60% of away games and usually qualify for 2nd priority - sometimes can involve a scramble for tickets (Chelsea, Man C in League).
These people now have to pay £30 to ensure that they have the same priority that they currently do.
Regards the 'Platinum' membership - if nobody bought it, then it would be a dead category, but that would never happen, fans will moan about it, but buy one anyway - because of fears of missing out.
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Post by mcf on Mar 12, 2010 10:36:03 GMT
It's the kind of thing that goes on at all Prem clubs.
Nobody is forcing you.
Just don't see the point in slating the club for making money and trying to run a good business.
There are fans willing to put more money in for a variety of goods or services in return.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 10:46:01 GMT
If it was a good idea, built on a base of fairness and equity then the Fans Forum would have been consulted and it would have been launched with a fanfare of heavenly trumpets. However, it is a grubby little scheme concieved by a grubby and classless individual and as such was not put before fans for discussion and was launched in a slimy underhand way with ammendments to the scheme apparently devised at will on the back of fag packets. This. And the two excellent posts from Tubes of course. |
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Post by mcf on Mar 12, 2010 10:54:46 GMT
Spence It's hypocritical bollocks though. Season tickets are no different. It's an offer - an offer of cheaper individual tickets for bulk buying. Some go for it, some don't. Stoke fans really are something else. When it operates like a Prem club, then they moan. When it operates like a two bob outfit, they moan. If they were to have a game in his back garden, Momo would moan at Scholes for not arranging someone to open his curtains.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 10:56:48 GMT
I think its an absolute disgrace 6 of us travel home and (most) away; cup and all. 13 'points' on our away day allocation each. All season ticket holders and have been for years. £10 a few years ago for a 'True supporters' card - now defunct. Told when renewing season tickets that platinum plus sold out, despite renewing the day renewal forms came through. Despite 'history' no 'points' carried over for next season and in the mix with the other platinum card holders (£30). Going out to SA this summer to spread the SCFC message. Its not the money (Im lucky and work hard for it) its the right royal money making at all cost butt fu**ing that pisses me off. I show loyalty (lunacy) the club show me squat! |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Mar 12, 2010 10:56:56 GMT
Someone noted on the last thread that the small print of the regular platinum card says that they may still employ number of games attended to add an additional priority level within those who are platinum holders, presumably chelsea would have had that implemented. That pretty much means that the status quo is maintained in respect to getting tickets, except for those 250 who paid for a plat+ card rather than getting one for free. The status quo with respect to people's wallets however is shifted some.
Now that mcf has started talking in terms of pints and lovely lovely fags I feel a little less inclined to get one tbh.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 11:09:47 GMT
Merk I agree with you about Momo ... he has lost any sense of reason with regard to Scholes and I've argued with him many times in regard to the multi-buy system, cup ticket pricing and away allocations etc. ... indeed I've been pretty much behind the majority of the major decisions that Scholes has had to make. However he is completely right about these 'loyalty' (  ) schemes ... if there was some merit to them then the fans forum would have been consulted and they wouldn't have been introduced in the underhand manner in which they have ... Scholes KNEW from the outset that it was a pretty dodgy idea that he had to sneak through here. Yourargument only even begins to stand up (if it does at all), if the scheme was introduced as a money making excerise ... and quite frankly I think that claim is just plain daft. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Mar 12, 2010 11:16:05 GMT
Yourargument only even begins to stand up (if it does at all), if the scheme was introduced as a money making excerise ... and quite frankly I think that claim is just plain daft. Why was it introduced if not to make money then, Spence? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 11:21:27 GMT
If its not a money making exercise (tax) then what is it?
I would rather they put £30 on ST prices than this underhand way of making money out of (potential) away fans.
How many times does Pulis et al tell the media that we are the 12th man home and away, then this happens.
Idiot
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2010 11:43:03 GMT
If they were to have a game in his back garden, Momo would moan at Scholes for not arranging someone to open his curtains. I'd probably find out that the cunt had sold my curtains to someone with greater purchasing power and even when I opened the curtains, people with more money than me (but no evidence of any greater loyalty) will be obscuring my view with their enourmous wallets, whilst being fellated by Scholes. "indeed I've been pretty much behind the majority of the major decisions that Scholes has had to make" ;D ;D Fuck me you must have the memory of a goldfish with Alzheimers, Paul |
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Post by mcf on Mar 12, 2010 11:45:43 GMT
We are getting to the crux of the matter now.
It comes down to individual taste on this particular offer.
That is fair enough but you can't go speaking on behalf of everybody as its some rubbish scheme because it isn't.
As an individual I like it and it's a fairly risk free way of making more revenue for the club.
I would rather them sell platinum plus cards than put £50 on season tickets because people that buy it get something extra out of it and the club can only gain.
Put £50 on season tickets and it could easily lose season ticket holders and cost itself money.
There are plenty of Stoke fans only too happy to take up these offers when it suits them ie season tickets.
So, if you don't like it, fair enough, but don't make out as though these kind of offers are fundamentally wrong when you are happy to go for the ones that suit you.
Otherwise, you are hypocritical wankstains.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 11:50:30 GMT
Exactly what extra do I get that I dont get now?
Dribbling wankstain
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2010 11:58:54 GMT
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