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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 12:04:09 GMT
Reads like they're doing us a favour -= w4nker5
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 12:09:45 GMT
We are getting to the crux of the matter now. It comes down to individual taste on this particular offer. That is fair enough but you can't go speaking on behalf of everybody as its some rubbish scheme because it isn't. As an individual I like it and it's a fairly risk free way of making more revenue for the club. I would rather them sell platinum plus cards than put £50 on season tickets because people that buy it get something extra out of it and the club can only gain. Put £50 on season tickets and it could easily lose season ticket holders and cost itself money. There are plenty of Stoke fans only too happy to take up these offers when it suits them ie season tickets. So, if you don't like it, fair enough, but don't make out as though these kind of offers are fundamentally wrong when you are happy to go for the ones that suit you. Otherwise, you are hypocritical wankstains. 50 quid on season tickets Merk ... are you having a laugh? 250 platinum + memberships @ 50 notes a pop realises 12,500 quid. A premium on 20,000 season tickets holders to realiste the same amount would see the patrons having to fork out a massive SIXTY THREE PENCE on their season long purchase. And it's for this very reason that it absolutely clear that the scheme hasn't been introduced to raise revenue.
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Post by BoothenenderGaz on Mar 12, 2010 12:11:05 GMT
Folks,
We met with the club on Wednesday about the membership scheme
Several items were discussed and the this is still unfolding at present so I cannot say too much about it
Malcolm Clarke is aware of what was said in the meeting and all I can say is that there was certainly no "tea and biscuits" niceties
A rocket was delivered, hopefully Malcolm will concur and also representatives from the official supporters club too
I cannot say anything further at present, but hope to do so very shortly. I have drafted a copy of my take on the meeting to Stoke as a simple courtesy and hope to publish this soon
One thing of note is that in an effort to discuss the scheme as a whole there was mention of a discussion by staff at Stoke on praise and grumble on Tuesday - whether that has been carried forward I am not sure. I am still trying to find out and if so then I will desperatley try and get myself on there
Those who wrote to me or put their views on the scheme on the thread I created, I took each one of those into the meeting with me and hope to respond to them soon
Gareth
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 12:13:32 GMT
Folks, We met with the club on Wednesday about the membership scheme Several items were discussed and the fallout from this is unfolding at present so I cannot say too much about it Malcolm Clarke is aware of what was said in the meeting and all I can say is that there was certainly no "tea and biscuits" niceties A rocket was delivered, hopefully Malcolm will concur and also representatives from the official supporters club too As I do not want to jepordise the outcome, I cannot say anything further at present, but hope to do so very shortly. I have drafted a copy of my take on the meeting to Stoke as a simple courtesy and hope to publish this soon One thing of note is that in an effort to discuss the scheme as a whole there was mention of a discussion by staff at Stoke on praise and grumble on Tuesday - whether that has been carried forward I am not sure. I am still trying to find out and if so then I will desperatley try and get myself on there Gareth Thanks for coming onto this thread Gaz. I realise that you can't say too much at the moment but what reason did Tony Scholes offer you guys for keeping the Fans Forum in the dark on this one? cheers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 12:14:08 GMT
Platinum + maybe. Platinum is purely a money making exercise. Dangle the bait and see how many bite. Idiot
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 12:16:28 GMT
Platinum + maybe. Platinum is purely a money making exercise. Dangle the bait and see how many bite. Idiot The platinum scheme can only be ever be seen as a money making excersie if people buy into it in serious numbers ... which they won't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 12:22:28 GMT
Really? Are they (you) not praying on fans good intention? On this you truely are naive (if not an employee)
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Post by winger on Mar 12, 2010 12:28:30 GMT
I find this debate far too boring to follow, but please don't tell me that anyone is foolish enough to buy into something called Platinum Away Game Pulisball.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 12:32:14 GMT
Really? Are they (you) not praying on fans good intention? On this you truely are naive (if not an employee) What reason do people have to suddenly make them go out in their droves to buy one? If you're a season ticket holder you can pretty much have got a ticket for any away game this season (bar Chelsea) and even with this recent incident fresh in the minds of a fair few dissapointed people, I still don't think that the majority feel under any pressure to purchase one. If a similar situation was to arise (where demand was obviously going to outstrech the supply) next season then we might see a small spike in their purchase in the weeks prior to that specific game ... however at the moment, the overwhelming majority of people I've spoken to, seem quite happy to take their chances for the time being as the platinum scheme currently offers them nothing whatsoever.
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Post by BoothenenderGaz on Mar 12, 2010 12:33:40 GMT
Folks, We met with the club on Wednesday about the membership scheme Several items were discussed and the fallout from this is unfolding at present so I cannot say too much about it Malcolm Clarke is aware of what was said in the meeting and all I can say is that there was certainly no "tea and biscuits" niceties A rocket was delivered, hopefully Malcolm will concur and also representatives from the official supporters club too As I do not want to jepordise the outcome, I cannot say anything further at present, but hope to do so very shortly. I have drafted a copy of my take on the meeting to Stoke as a simple courtesy and hope to publish this soon One thing of note is that in an effort to discuss the scheme as a whole there was mention of a discussion by staff at Stoke on praise and grumble on Tuesday - whether that has been carried forward I am not sure. I am still trying to find out and if so then I will desperatley try and get myself on there Gareth Thanks for coming onto this thread Gaz. I realise that you can't say too much at the moment but what reason did Tony Scholes offer you guys for keeping the Fans Forum in the dark on this one? cheers Please, please bear with me, I will say more hopefully very soon. The Forum are all working really really hard on this
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 12:37:52 GMT
So why bother with the scheme? Thought you said it had nothing to do with making money? In an hour we seem to have gone full circle!
Still utterly stinks
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 12:41:31 GMT
Thanks for coming onto this thread Gaz. I realise that you can't say too much at the moment but what reason did Tony Scholes offer you guys for keeping the Fans Forum in the dark on this one? cheers Please, please bear with me, I will say more hopefully very soon. The Forum are all working really really hard on this Fair do's Gaz. I don't expect you to respond to this chap but can I just say, that when the club try and sneak something through like this without even mentioning it to you guys, then it make it increasingly difficult for people to have faith that the Fans Forum does have some credibility. I hope the club realise just how easily they can undermine you and all the hard work that you guys are putting in.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 12:43:07 GMT
So why bother with the scheme? Thought you said it had nothing to do with making money? In an hour we seem to have gone full circle! Still utterly stinks Why have we gone full circle? I've said from day one that the scheme stinks and I don't think it was introduced to raise revenue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 12:51:25 GMT
Sorry for the confusion ??? You said it wasnt purely a money making exercise, i said it was. Still a naive (employee) idiot
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 12:54:29 GMT
Sorry for the confusion ??? You said it wasnt purely a money making exercise, i said it was. Still a naive (employee) idiot Are you arguing with yourself now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 13:03:34 GMT
You should be a politian. They see/do no wrong either
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Post by theoldgit on Mar 12, 2010 13:33:48 GMT
What a strange discussion, let me understand some of the threads on here:-
It has been suggested Instead of making money on Plat+ put it on the season ticket.
Why should ST holders who do not go away, subsidize the ones who do?
I get priority tickets through the Potteries Foundation it cost me £117 per year so I could save money with this scheme. But I am not as selfish as some on here and will continue to support the Kids. (and yes I qualify through the number of games attended in the present system but I am happy to help the Foundation)
As I understand it many Prem clubs have some type of membership scheme, and it is seen as a fair way of doing it.
Many of the people who have moaned about the present way of doing things are now moaning about changing it, are they against the scheme or do they like to moan?
And yes, football costs money and guess who has to pay, Pompey are a testament to what happens if they do not make money, I bet Pompey fans wished their club was run to make a profit. The title of this tread is sold down the river for £25,000 this is not a small amount of money, many Stokies work hard for a year for money like that, and if this contributes to the improvement of the club, why not, if the uptake is poor it will soon disappear so if as you say no one will pay for this, why worry.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 13:40:54 GMT
What a strange discussion, let me understand some of the threads on here:- It has been suggested Instead of making money on Plat+ put it on the season ticket. Why should ST holders who do not go away, subsidize the ones who do? I get priority tickets through the Potteries Foundation it cost me £117 per year so I could save money with this scheme. But I am not as selfish as some on here and will continue to support the Kids. (and yes I qualify through the number of games attended in the present system but I am happy to help the Foundation) As I understand it many Prem clubs have some type of membership scheme, and it is seen as a fair way of doing it. Many of the people who have moaned about the present way of doing things are now moaning about changing it, are they against the scheme or do they like to moan? And yes, football costs money and guess who has to pay, Pompey are a testament to what happens if they do not make money, I bet Pompey fans wished their club was run to make a profit. The title of this tread is sold down the river for £25,000 this is not a small amount of money, many Stokies work hard for a year for money like that, and if this contributes to the improvement of the club, why not, if the uptake is poor it will soon disappear so if as you say no one will pay for this, why worry. I don't think the club would risk upsetting their most hardcore supporters for the sake of raising 12.5 grand ... indeed I'm certain they wouldn't. So in my humble opinion the introduction of the scheme has got bugger all to do with raising revenue.
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Post by mcf on Mar 12, 2010 13:48:29 GMT
Well, the Fans Forum had better not fuck it up for the 'platinum+ers'
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2010 13:50:35 GMT
As I understand it many Prem clubs have some type of membership scheme, and it is seen as a fair way of doing it. I would wager that other schemes were properly planned and introduced after consultation with fans and not poorly prepared flights of fancy from a Chief Executive with nothing but pound signs for eyes Pompey are a testament to what happens if they do not make money, I bet Pompey fans wished their club was run to make a profit. That doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. A football club exploits the unique loyalty of its customers enough without manufacturing schemes to effectively panic supporters into buying products (and fuck those who can't afford it) This is our second season in the top flight and the romance of it all is still very strong but that will inevitably die down eventually and we will soon see the divide that the fuckwit Scholes has created with yet another one of his hairbrianed schemes. If you haven't read the 'sales patter' on this then do so. Think of Scholes detestable smug features whilst you read it, think of the slimy way he buried the release of the scheme and how much he has had to backtrack and clarify since. Think about this and be ashamed at what sort of person our 'newest' director is. www.stokecityfc.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10310~1977675,00.html
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 13:51:29 GMT
Well, the Fans Forum had better not fuck it up for the 'platinum+ers' I don't believe that you're in the slightest bit worried on that score Merk!
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Post by mcf on Mar 12, 2010 14:08:07 GMT
Not Really Paul ;D Come on Shakester, get a grip.
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Post by winger on Mar 12, 2010 14:45:38 GMT
Actually that link to the official site is to a message of the most unutterable gash. I want to watch a football match not buy into a ferking timeshare in Marbella.
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Post by banburypotter on Mar 12, 2010 18:32:58 GMT
well i renewed our season tickets today over the phone and not once was i offered anything to do with any schemes, it never came up in conversation, and i would not do it anyway.
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Post by Tubes on Mar 12, 2010 18:52:14 GMT
We are getting to the crux of the matter now. It comes down to individual taste on this particular offer. That is fair enough but you can't go speaking on behalf of everybody as its some rubbish scheme because it isn't. As an individual I like it and it's a fairly risk free way of making more revenue for the club. I would rather them sell platinum plus cards than put £50 on season tickets because people that buy it get something extra out of it and the club can only gain. Put £50 on season tickets and it could easily lose season ticket holders and cost itself money. There are plenty of Stoke fans only too happy to take up these offers when it suits them ie season tickets. So, if you don't like it, fair enough, but don't make out as though these kind of offers are fundamentally wrong when you are happy to go for the ones that suit you. Otherwise, you are hypocritical wankstains. The season ticket is an offer for you to save money, by buying tickets in bulk. It is an incentive aimed at promoting loyalty. Comparing a discount for loyalty, to what is essentially a levy on loyalty is illogical and utter bollocks, there's absolutely no hypocrisy at all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2010 18:59:40 GMT
Comparing a discount for loyalty, to what is essentially a levy on loyalty is illogical and utter bollocks, there's absolutely no hypocrisy at all. Absolutely spot on and to the very heart of the issue Tubes.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 12, 2010 20:42:16 GMT
This is a scheme too far for me and I can afford the 50 quid.
As it happens, I should get it free, but I haven't heard anything about that yet from Stoke so presume that the system has fucked up already anyway.
The point here is that the current system is by far and away the fairest and most equitable way of distributing away tickets, but the club wants to con more money out of those who have a real emotional attachment to the club and the efforts it takes to follow it.
The Platinum Cards or Platinum + cards simply benefit those who want to protect any interest they may have to watch the odd big game or 3 whilst not bothering with the rest.
I wonder how many Platinum + holders were at Burnley on Wednesday, or better still, Sunderland or Pompey away?
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Post by stokiemanandboy on Mar 12, 2010 21:19:30 GMT
This is a scheme too far for me and I can afford the 50 quid. As it happens, I should get it free, but I haven't heard anything about that yet from Stoke so presume that the system has fucked up already anyway. The point here is that the current system is by far and away the fairest and most equitable way of distributing away tickets, but the club wants to con more money out of those who have a real emotional attachment to the club and the efforts it takes to follow it. The Platinum Cards or Platinum + cards simply benefit those who want to protect any interest they may have to watch the odd big game or 3 whilst not bothering with the rest. I wonder how many Platinum + holders were at Burnley on Wednesday, or better still, Sunderland or Pompey away? Me and one of my two footie mates are platinum plus and all of us were at the Burnley game, we did however miss the Sunderland and Pompy games mainly cause of work problems. We did however go to , Liverpool, Birmingham, Bolton. Everton, Tottenham (Goooooaaaarrrn Stoke) Hull, Blackburn, Arsenal, Villa, Man City, Wigan, City again, Chelsea, Do we get a medal? Do we fuck! We have nothing but admiration for the fans who went Pompy and Blunderland, God bless you. I do take your point though, we have shown our support and paid the price and it seems grossly unfair that someone else can cherry pick Man Ure, Chelski, Arsenal, etc, Sadly thats life today we just have to make the most of it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2010 8:23:12 GMT
"indeed I've been pretty much behind the majority of the major decisions that Scholes has had to make" ;D ;D Fuck me you must have the memory of a goldfish with Alzheimers, Paul Please do feel free to remind me Momo.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2010 8:36:45 GMT
You don't get a medal man and boy but equally you don't deserve to have to pay £ 50 for the priveledge of guaranteeing that you can attend every away game that you wish to.
Your loyalty already guarantees you that under the existing scheme so why on earth should you have to pay to protect that interest.
I have missed about 4 away games (for weddings mainly) in the 12 years since I left university and hate missing a fixture. This scheme attempts to frighten you into parting with 50 quid just to be sure that you get a ticket for every game.
It isn't right and it is grossly unfair on those who attend almost every away fixture possible. It isn't easy to follow Stoke away for a whole number of reasons, and this scheme simply makes it easy for those who want to pick and choose their games.
In not signing up for this scheme means that I miss games for the first time in as long as I can remember then so be it. To be honest, I wish I could just turn my back on the team and not bother at all such is my disgust with this.
As for the fans forum, I really don't see what they will or can achieve and this scheme proves it. It has already been launched, platinum plus is already fully subscribed so the club is hardly going to withdraw the scheme now.
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