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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2010 8:45:12 GMT
You don't get a medal man and boy but equally you don't deserve to have to pay £ 50 for the priveledge of guaranteeing that you can attend every away game that you wish to. Your loyalty already guarantees you that under the existing scheme so why on earth should you have to pay to protect that interest. I have missed about 4 away games (for weddings mainly) in the 12 years since I left university and hate missing a fixture. This scheme attempts to frighten you into parting with 50 quid just to be sure that you get a ticket for every game. It isn't right and it is grossly unfair on those who attend almost every away fixture possible. It isn't easy to follow Stoke away for a whole number of reasons, and this scheme simply makes it easy for those who want to pick and choose their games. In not signing up for this scheme means that I miss games for the first time in as long as I can remember then so be it. To be honest, I wish I could just turn my back on the team and not bother at all such is my disgust with this. As for the fans forum, I really don't see what they will or can achieve and this scheme proves it. It has already been launched, platinum plus is already fully subscribed so the club is hardly going to withdraw the scheme now. Well said Dave. As for your last paragraph, I was wondering that too ... the FF are going to end up looking pretty toothless at the end of the day because you just can't see the club happily refunding everybody's 50 quid and reversing their decision ... I guess it is a possibility however.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2010 8:54:28 GMT
I suppose if we all didn't bother because we thought it wouldn't achieve anything, we would never achieve anything.
That said, in general, I think that this scheme just proves that the fans forum is the best part of useless. The club will do whatever they want, whenever they want and whilst they consult with the forum to make them feel important, they don't seem to pay anything but lip service to them. How can they launch this scheme without their knowledge if they have any respect for the forum at all.
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Post by rambo61 on Mar 13, 2010 9:40:50 GMT
Haven,t been on for a few days but the fact that so many people are against the scheme shows how wrong it is. Surely attending away games is for the benefit of the team and therefore shouldn,t involve EXTRA expence. The system as it is ,rewards all fans for their loyalty by giving them a few extra days to purchase tickets,the new system rewards a few fans for their wallets! £50 or£30 isn,t the issue, principle is. When the Wolves tickets go on sale in a few weeks, fans who,ve travelled all over the country will have first chance, next season they will go on sale to someone who maybe hasn,t attended an away match all season! How can this be right?? ???
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2010 9:48:19 GMT
spot on Rambo. The benefit that I get from the current system is that I am guaranteed a ticket to every game as a reward for my support over away from home over the course of the season (or the season before) and the main benefit is that I don't have to queue for ages to get my tickets.
I could have got Chelsea tickets on day 1, but because we had mates who didn't qualify for tickets, we waited until general sale. Work commitments meant that we had to queue in shifts. I queued from 7am - 8am (was about 50th in line) then my mate did 8am - 9am. He was then replaced by another mate who queued from 9am until 9.55am when we eventually got served.
It is a ball ache when you have to queue like that and work commitments mean that many people can't do it. If, as a result of this scheme, I have to queue for 3 hours just to get tickets for say Manure away, I simply won't bother.
It is grossly unfair and is wrong beyond belief!
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Post by rambo61 on Mar 13, 2010 9:52:50 GMT
That,s the thing with this scheme.Because there will be less people on priority, the queues for general sale will be even bigger! It,s not a case of not wanting to queue but not wanting to queue for hours on end!!
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Post by wigginbird on Mar 13, 2010 9:56:19 GMT
I have missed about 4 away games (for weddings mainly) in the 12 years since I left university and hate missing a fixture. This scheme attempts to frighten you into parting with 50 quid just to be sure that you get a ticket for every game. If this is the case you will be one of those getting the card for FREE so whats your problem ?
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Post by wigginbird on Mar 13, 2010 9:57:38 GMT
After missing 4 games away last season and none this,I dont qualify for a freeby yes you do its 80% (30 out of 37)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2010 10:00:06 GMT
I have missed about 4 away games (for weddings mainly) in the 12 years since I left university and hate missing a fixture. This scheme attempts to frighten you into parting with 50 quid just to be sure that you get a ticket for every game. If this is the case you will be one of those getting the card for FREE so whats your problem ? I suspect Dave is able to consider the issue beyond what is actually best for him and him only.
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Post by rambo61 on Mar 13, 2010 10:03:07 GMT
After missing 4 games away last season and none this,I dont qualify for a freeby yes you do its 80% (30 out of 37) Igot my season ticket last night....not on the list, my brother got his on Tuesday....not on the list! It,s not how many you,ve attended it,s how many they were bothered to log that counts!!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2010 10:04:49 GMT
The system as it is ,rewards all fans for their loyalty by giving them a few extra days to purchase tickets,the new system rewards a few fans for their wallets! Indeed Rambo and furthermore the present scheme actually ENCOURAGES people to travel to the less glamourous games, as they know that attendenance will increase their quota with regard to having priority on tickets for the high demand matches. The new scheme means that the away followings could actually reduce as a result of it's implementation.
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Post by wigginbird on Mar 13, 2010 10:11:29 GMT
Its not an ideal scheme, and if no-one bothers signing up for the platinum membership it will fall flat on its face, fact is it actually changes bog all
The previous system was based on how much dosh you had in your pocket just as much as this one, if you couldn't afford to goto all these away games, you didn't have the priority level, conversly if you had enough cash you could maintain your priority level by buying away game tickets and flogging them on at cost price as quite a few people did.
The scheme is flawed, but why some people are getting into such a froth about it is beyond me, pretty much every away game has gone as far as general sale this season, Liverpool didn't even sell out FFS, and next season will probably be worse, the novelty value of all the new prem away grounds is wearing off, and the reality of the shear extortionate cost of away games is starting to bite.
My opinion is that the Platinum plus cards (of which over half will have been free) will seem a waste of money by the end of next season as people realise that most of the away games didn't sell out, and on top of that their 1st dibs often ends with them getting some of the worst tickets (as has happened and been reported on here by those in the first priority level) .
The same will happen with the Platinum, it will be a wasted £30, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to bother with it
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Post by rambo61 on Mar 13, 2010 10:11:39 GMT
Also Paul, this free platignum plus bollocks won,t exist next year, it will be an add on for everyone who wants it!!! Basically, an extra charge to be the "12th" man. I,m sure all of us who travel away realises how expensive it already is. ANY surcharge is simply unacceptable!!
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Post by trebor63 on Mar 13, 2010 10:11:43 GMT
After missing 4 games away last season and none this,I dont qualify for a freeby yes you do its 80% (30 out of 37) Mathematically you may well be correct but Stoke have decided the cut off was 31 games, up to but not including Burnley. I know this for sure because I was sat with lakeland potter (Fornside) at Burnley and he did 30 games on the official records and failed by one game to reach the platinum +. And despite me and my mate going to every single match together I was told I qualified and he was told he didn't! Luckily Stoke have since realised it was their cock up and he has since been awarded platinum+ Just for the record I think the Stoke system for ticket distribution has been absolutely 100%fair but this new system is absolute shite, its pretty clear (to me, unless I'm just cynical) that soon the membership scheme will be extended to 1000 (or so)and the next step will be you can't buy any away ticket without one. The sooner this is got shot of the better imo. How long will it be before the Police / stewards remove the card when ejecting innocent fans? It should never have happened with the old ID cards, but it did!
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Post by wigginbird on Mar 13, 2010 10:13:27 GMT
yes you do its 80% (30 out of 37) Igot my season ticket last night....not on the list, my brother got his on Tuesday....not on the list! It,s not how many you,ve attended it,s how many they were bothered to log that counts!!! there are people who have been to the ticket office desputed their records, and been given it free, if you are sure , kick up a fuss, if you don't kick up the fuss, don't keep moaning to us about how hard done by you have been
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2010 10:15:42 GMT
ID...A couple of points in response to your question above;
"You qualify for one for free so what is your problem"
1) My problem is that the whole idea is grossly unfair whether it affects me or not. It is simply wrong that those who want to protect their own interests and pay 50 quid for a membership that gives them a guarantee of a ticket for any game they want to attend. It is grossly unfair, because such a person will be guaranteed a ticket ahead of people who have earned the right to have first dibs on away ticket availabilty regardless of the opposition or the importance of the game.
2) I should qualify for a freebie, but I am not daft enough to think that it will be free next season and next season I will begrudge paying the fee even though I can afford it easily.
3) The current system is a perfectly fair and equitable way of distrubiting away tickets and ensures that those that wish to attend can attend the away fixture
4) I may well qualify for free upgrade but I haven't had any written correspondance from the club to say that this is the case. We travel as a group of 5, 2 of whom will qualify for a freebie. Neither of us has been informed of this by the club though.
5) There will be many people who have attended away fixtures who will have got tickets by other means. Let me give you a couple of examples. I have a good friend who is a West Ham fan and is quite wealthy. He has a box at West Ham and for the game last season he invited me and my wife to the game. I attended with him so didn't get my ticket from Stoke. Via a good friend of mine, I have got to know John Rudge who has been kind enough, on a couple of occasions, to get us a free ticket or 3. These are normally on distant night games where we go off and play golf before the game. JR has got us tickets for a couple of games this season and the odd one last season. Those tickets will not appear on the system.
6) As a group of 5, two of us go to every game and the others, due to finances and young family commitments go to games when they can. So as to keep their purchase record up and to ensure that they qualify in the number of games attended list, I vary the purchases across all the numbers so as to ensure that we all have the requisite number of games in. Therefore, I have bought a ticket for one person and allocated against another persons, just to keep their history up to date. We look after each other you see, so again, some purchases may not be right on the system.
Hopefully ID, you will now understand what my problem with this system is. Unfortunately, people look after themselves with no consideration for others, and you are probably one of those people. "I'm alright jack". I like to think that I am a little different and just because I may well get a free upgrade, doesn't make it any fairer a system.
It stinks. You know it. I know it. Tony Scholes probably knows it as well.
I would rather a system where we give the club our card details and they charge an away ticket to the card automatically, whether we want to attend or not. That is what happens and West Ham and some of the top clubs in the league. I will miss one away game this season (Manure away), in any competition and depending on the fixture list next season, will potentially miss one fixture again due to a wedding that I have to attend on the 27th August (subject of course to being able to get tickets due to this ridiculous new scheme)
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Post by rambo61 on Mar 13, 2010 10:26:46 GMT
Igot my season ticket last night....not on the list, my brother got his on Tuesday....not on the list! It,s not how many you,ve attended it,s how many they were bothered to log that counts!!! there are people who have been to the ticket office desputed their records, and been given it free, if you are sure , kick up a fuss, if you don't kick up the fuss, don't keep moaning to us about how hard done by you have been I dont agree with the system,so why should I "kick up a fuss!" As to "Moaning to YOU" I can,t remember personally doing this, so if this is how you view this thread you,ve missed the point!
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Post by stokiemanandboy on Mar 13, 2010 10:31:31 GMT
yes you do its 80% (30 out of 37) Igot my season ticket last night....not on the list, my brother got his on Tuesday....not on the list! It,s not how many you,ve attended it,s how many they were bothered to log that counts!!! I have had this problem this season even though you can see above how many matches we have attended. Three of us travel and sit together but my mate generally buys the tickets. The problem has arisen that some of those games are not logged to my purchase history so when the Chelski game came up my two mates got theirs but i could not buy mine because for some reason I only had six away purchases listed. I actually had seven purchases including the postponed Burnley (tossers) game, but for some reason that did not qualify. So I had to queue for Chelski and it was sold out while I was in the queue. I have just phoned my mate who is queuing at The Brit for the West Am tickets, best phone him back to make sure my ticket is added to my history Even though I paid for the platinum plus its belt and braces as they may move the goalposts again
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Post by LH_SCFC on Mar 13, 2010 12:15:45 GMT
Just been down to the Brit to renew my season ticket and get my free Platinum + (thanks Mr Scholes).
However, I was disappointed that I won't be getting a shiny badge or card until the season tickets are posted. I was hoping to wear it round my neck at West Ham!
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Post by stokiemanandboy on Mar 13, 2010 13:03:50 GMT
Igot my season ticket last night....not on the list, my brother got his on Tuesday....not on the list! It,s not how many you,ve attended it,s how many they were bothered to log that counts!!! I have had this problem this season even though you can see above how many matches we have attended. Three of us travel and sit together but my mate generally buys the tickets. The problem has arisen that some of those games are not logged to my purchase history so when the Chelski game came up my two mates got theirs but i could not buy mine because for some reason I only had six away purchases listed. I actually had seven purchases including the postponed Burnley (tossers) game, but for some reason that did not qualify. So I had to queue for Chelski and it was sold out while I was in the queue. I have just phoned my mate who is queuing at The Brit for the West Am tickets, best phone him back to make sure my ticket is added to my history Even though I paid for the platinum plus its belt and braces as they may move the goalposts again My mate phoned back with "Good News" "Bad News" "Ok, give me the bad news first" I could'n't get the tickets because the Burnley game does not count " Your joking. fookin Burnley I hate them . Cost me Chelski, now this" Whats the good news? "They got loads of tickets left" So now got to queue again next week, not a happy bunny to say the least.
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Post by stokiemanandboy on Mar 13, 2010 13:06:58 GMT
Off down the Brit now,I'm a bit late today, still,
Have a good un,
Gooooooooaaaaarrrn Stoke.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Mar 13, 2010 13:29:25 GMT
Think about it. The away crowds have started to drop so by introducing this the fans who are wondering whether to go to a game will go because it will keep up their quota and so we should always sell out.
People who aren't qualifying this time for a free plat+ will be more inclined to go more games next year hoping to meet the criteria and get a free plat+ in 2011/12.
This keeps our away support up and helps the team perform at places like Burnley, Pompey and Wigan and the clubs image is enhanced as we continue to have a large away following
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Post by wigginbird on Mar 13, 2010 14:48:07 GMT
Think about it. The away crowds have started to drop so by introducing this the fans who are wondering whether to go to a game will go because it will keep up their quota and so we should always sell out. People who aren't qualifying this time for a free plat+ will be more inclined to go more games next year hoping to meet the criteria and get a free plat+ in 2011/12. This keeps our away support up and helps the team perform at places like Burnley, Pompey and Wigan and the clubs image is enhanced as we continue to have a large away following pint of what your smoking
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2010 18:17:12 GMT
Think about it. The away crowds have started to drop so by introducing this the fans who are wondering whether to go to a game will go because it will keep up their quota and so we should always sell out. People who aren't qualifying this time for a free plat+ will be more inclined to go more games next year hoping to meet the criteria and get a free plat+ in 2011/12. This keeps our away support up and helps the team perform at places like Burnley, Pompey and Wigan and the clubs image is enhanced as we continue to have a large away following pint of what your smoking Indeed Dave. Did he miss a bunch of smiley's off the end of his post or somet? ???
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Mar 13, 2010 18:24:51 GMT
So your telling me if we get to the end of next season, we have nothing to play for and we have Sunderland and Fulham away last two games and you know if you go to those two games you get on the Plat+ in 2011/12 then that wouldn't sway you into going?
Also if we get drawn away at Carlisle or Dover in the FA Cup you wouldn't be ever so slightly swayed by the chance to get your quota up
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2010 18:26:48 GMT
So your telling me if we get to the end of next season, we have nothing to play for and we have Sunderland and Fulham away last two games and you know if you go to those two games you get on the Plat+ in 2011/12 then that wouldn't sway you into going? Also if we get drawn away at Carlisle or Dover in the FA Cup you wouldn't be ever so slightly swayed by the chance to get your quota up The club have already said that they wont be giving away Platinum + memberships next season fella.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Mar 13, 2010 18:59:24 GMT
Right well I take it all back then
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2010 19:59:55 GMT
How are the fans forum getting on with this one?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 15, 2010 20:53:18 GMT
I was really disappointed by the Oatcake reaction to this scheme in Saturday's issue.
We are all entitled to our opinions but as a bloke (team of blokes) who have travelled regularly over the years, watching us when we were really shit, I was amazed with their attitude towards this scheme.
I still think it stinks. Every single loyalty scheme operated by other clubs has some measure of rewarding those that travel to to the most away fixtures during a season.
I have put my feelings on this particular issue in writing to Mr Scholes today even though it will probably hit the bin alongside the rest of the other complaints.
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Post by Winge on Mar 15, 2010 21:04:32 GMT
I think its an absolute disgrace 6 of us travel home and (most) away; cup and all. 13 'points' on our away day allocation each. All season ticket holders and have been for years. £10 a few years ago for a 'True supporters' card - now defunct. Told when renewing season tickets that platinum plus sold out, despite renewing the day renewal forms came through. Despite 'history' no 'points' carried over for next season and in the mix with the other platinum card holders (£30). Going out to SA this summer to spread the SCFC message. Its not the money (Im lucky and work hard for it) its the right royal money making at all cost butt fu**ing that pisses me off. I show loyalty (lunacy) the club show me squat! I'm in a similar position as you ..... the club give me F all!!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 15, 2010 21:10:35 GMT
sad money making scam Mr Scholes nothing to do with loyalty lots to do with making sure corporate customers can buy seats for any big games
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