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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 24, 2015 21:11:05 GMT
I've got nothing against smackheads having somewhere to drink, just not on my city centre's high street. You don't see skinheads standing outside pubs having a fag and spitting while doing 11am karaoke in any decent city centre high street, why should Stoke have to put up with it? Regeneration of Hanley? As they say, you can't polish a turd.
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Post by Nick1984 on May 26, 2015 10:46:12 GMT
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 29, 2015 14:26:26 GMT
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Post by stoke7leeds2 on Jul 29, 2015 15:02:41 GMT
All the staff who currently work at the civic are now staying in the civic it has been announced today by email...council workers from different parts of the city are moving to the new multi coloured building...so it looks like stoke will survive for the time being on the dinner time trade
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 18:14:53 GMT
This city is so fucking backward. Move them all there you useless cunts!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:25:02 GMT
This city is so fucking backward. Move them all there you useless cunts! The useless ones were the previous council.S-O-T is not just Hanley ! However until they can find tenants for the unused offices it's going to be a millstone round the neck of the city. I thought the original plan was for the council to move into 1 of the buildings ? The way the story has been worded now they were going to occupy both buildings.That was a ridiculous plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:26:40 GMT
Where does it say sold ?I thought they were going to have to find tenants.Mind you,who's going to want to buy it anyway ? I bet we'll lose millions if they do sell it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 18:27:11 GMT
This city is so fucking backward. Move them all there you useless cunts! The useless ones were the previous council.S-O-T is not just Hanley ! However until they can find tenants for the unused offices it's going to be a millstone round the neck of the city. I thought the original plan was for the council to move into 1 of the buildings ? The way the story has been worded now they were going to occupy both buildings.That was a ridiculous plan. It should be. The focus has to be Hanley and we have to fuck the small (six) town mentality off if we want this city to be any good. It's an absolute joke of a decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:32:56 GMT
The useless ones were the previous council.S-O-T is not just Hanley ! However until they can find tenants for the unused offices it's going to be a millstone round the neck of the city. I thought the original plan was for the council to move into 1 of the buildings ? The way the story has been worded now they were going to occupy both buildings.That was a ridiculous plan. It should be. The focus has to be Hanley and we have to fuck the small (six) town mentality off if we want this city to be any good. It's an absolute joke of a decision. Don't be stupid man.We are not a city who can compete with the likes of Birmingham,Manchester,Nottingham etc.We are unique in the way the city is laid out. Hanley should be the main shopping centre,I agree with that but not at the expense of every other town. Stoke would make a good centre for business with it's transport links and the current civic hq should be the at the centre of that. You could spend every penny of the budget on Hanley and it would still just be a town with an ill equipped bus station,congested roads (they haven't even completed the ring road after all these years ) and no train station.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 18:37:13 GMT
It should be. The focus has to be Hanley and we have to fuck the small (six) town mentality off if we want this city to be any good. It's an absolute joke of a decision. Don't be stupid man.We are not a city who can compete with the likes of Birmingham,Manchester,Nottingham etc.We are unique in the way the city is laid out. Hanley should be the main shopping centre,I agree with that but not at the expense of every other town. Stoke would make a good centre for business with it's transport links and the current civic hq should be the at the centre of that. You could spend every penny of the budget on Hanley and it would still just be a town with an ill equipped bus station,congested roads (they haven't even completed the ring road after all these years ) and no train station. It has to be better though because we have a big catchment area and the city is currently shit. It's small time/town thinking like this will keep us held back. Hanley has to be the central focus for the whole city. Stoke, Fenton and Burslem should essentially be left to die for the good of the city. And I don't think they would with the pub trade Stoke and Burslem get anyway. Fenton is a nothingness anyway. Longton and Tunstall will be fine, they're both very useful towns that people use and this would have no effect them. The lack of thought and ambition in this city astounds me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:56:48 GMT
Don't be stupid man.We are not a city who can compete with the likes of Birmingham,Manchester,Nottingham etc.We are unique in the way the city is laid out. Hanley should be the main shopping centre,I agree with that but not at the expense of every other town. Stoke would make a good centre for business with it's transport links and the current civic hq should be the at the centre of that. You could spend every penny of the budget on Hanley and it would still just be a town with an ill equipped bus station,congested roads (they haven't even completed the ring road after all these years ) and no train station. It has to be better though because we have a big catchment area and the city is currently shit. It's small time/town thinking like this will keep us held back. Hanley has to be the central focus for the whole city. Stoke, Fenton and Burslem should essentially be left to die for the good of the city. And I don't think they would with the pub trade Stoke and Burslem get anyway. Fenton is a nothingness anyway. Longton and Tunstall will be fine, they're both very useful towns that people use and this would have no effect them. The lack of thought and ambition in this city astounds me. Tell that to the people who currently live and work in those towns. We don't have a big catchment area at all,that's hogwash.Very few people will ever S-O-T as a destination.The best we have to offer is Alton Towers and that miles away unless you come by car. In recent months I've been to Liverpool and Birmingham and stayed over night .How many would make the return journey ? Very few. You're living in cuckoo land and you'd be happy to see 3 towns die,for what ? Years of mismanagement have put the city where it is today,not the current coalition
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 29, 2015 18:59:23 GMT
It's pointless trying to regenerate the likes of Stoke, Burslem and Longton, just convert the high street shops back into housing, that's where the demand is.
No one's suggesting competing with Manchester or Birmingham, no reason why we shouldn't be competing with the likes of Derby though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 19:02:26 GMT
It has to be better though because we have a big catchment area and the city is currently shit. It's small time/town thinking like this will keep us held back. Hanley has to be the central focus for the whole city. Stoke, Fenton and Burslem should essentially be left to die for the good of the city. And I don't think they would with the pub trade Stoke and Burslem get anyway. Fenton is a nothingness anyway. Longton and Tunstall will be fine, they're both very useful towns that people use and this would have no effect them. The lack of thought and ambition in this city astounds me. Tell that to the people who currently live and work in those towns. We don't have a big catchment area at all,that's hogwash.Very few people will ever S-O-T as a destination.The best we have to offer is Alton Towers and that miles away unless you come by car. In recent months I've been to Liverpool and Birmingham and stayed over night .How many would make the return journey ? Very few. You're living in cuckoo land and you'd be happy to see 3 towns die,for what ? Years of mismanagement have put the city where it is today,not the current coalition Burslem in the day is virtually dead anyway. And Fenton wouldn't be affected in any way shape or form as long as the outdoor market carried on, which I'm sure it would. Yeah Stoke would be hit but if it was for the good of the whole city then so be it. It's not about overnight stays etc, it's about having a city centre we can be proud of. The current model isn't working and the plan to move the civic centre was an excellent idea to give it a kick up the arse. But no the backward, small time thinking of the average Stokie will bite us on the backside and we'll have to bow down to the towns. What a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:04:44 GMT
It's pointless trying to regenerate the likes of Stoke, Burslem and Longton, just convert the high street shops back into housing, that's where the demand is. No one's suggesting competing with Manchester or Birmingham, no reason why we shouldn't be competing with the likes of Derby though. You're wrong,that's exactly who the council suggested we should be competing with when the idea was 1st brought up. What's Derby got to offer ? I have no inclination to go to Derby and neither have most people. And for your information Longton is quite the bustling town these days. Why should everyone have to travel to Hanley to do their shopping ? Not everyone has a car you know.I go to Hanley once in a blue moon because it's crap and always will be compared to the big cities
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 19:08:03 GMT
It's pointless trying to regenerate the likes of Stoke, Burslem and Longton, just convert the high street shops back into housing, that's where the demand is. No one's suggesting competing with Manchester or Birmingham, no reason why we shouldn't be competing with the likes of Derby though. Tbf I Longton is fine, the market on market days is busy and in general with Tesco and all of those shops it's not thriving but doing well. But you can definitely see the shift, the side where Woolies used to be is in a pretty sad way.
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 29, 2015 19:09:13 GMT
It's pointless trying to regenerate the likes of Stoke, Burslem and Longton, just convert the high street shops back into housing, that's where the demand is. No one's suggesting competing with Manchester or Birmingham, no reason why we shouldn't be competing with the likes of Derby though. You're wrong,that's exactly who the council suggested we should be competing with when the idea was 1st brought up. What's Derby got to offer ? I have no inclination to go to Derby and neither have most people. And for your information Longton is quite the bustling town these days. Why should everyone have to travel to Hanley to do their shopping ? Not everyone has a car you know.I go to Hanley once in a blue moon because it's crap and always will be compared to the big cities Er, places that people want to go to. Decent clothes shops, trendy places to eat, a decent-sized city centre that you won't get bored of after an hour leaving you to drive 5 miles to another town. Segregating S-o-T into separate towns is one of the biggest reasons that people hate visiting here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 19:09:02 GMT
It's pointless trying to regenerate the likes of Stoke, Burslem and Longton, just convert the high street shops back into housing, that's where the demand is. No one's suggesting competing with Manchester or Birmingham, no reason why we shouldn't be competing with the likes of Derby though. You're wrong,that's exactly who the council suggested we should be competing with when the idea was 1st brought up. What's Derby got to offer ? I have no inclination to go to Derby and neither have most people. And for your information Longton is quite the bustling town these days. Why should everyone have to travel to Hanley to do their shopping ? Not everyone has a car you know.I go to Hanley once in a blue moon because it's crap and always will be compared to the big cities Loads of people go to Derby, the shopping centre there is first class!
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Post by Northy on Jul 29, 2015 19:13:10 GMT
Unfortunately there isnt anything that temps me back to the potteries apart from scfc, its a crying shame that years of under investment has made the city, i only go to hanley for the potters arf, i dont stay after it, and you see how much trouble the marathon had getting going. For years the council seemed to have had a small town mentality, there should have been a tram/metro linking the train lines with Hanley etc.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 30, 2015 6:25:46 GMT
Fucking Hanley. It's a hovel of a ghetto which looks more and more like Cobridge every time I see it. I've set foot in it once in 3 years, I avoid it like the plague.
It's a bloody embarrassment of a place that we should avoid attempting to attract people too because it'll only be good for giving them a laugh.
Hanley the ultimate chain store centre, perfect for those with a lack of imagination. Use that as a tag line and least it's halfway to the truth.
Never has the lament of Valencia rung so true, "Stoke's a shithole, I'd rather stay here."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 7:31:05 GMT
Having been away 20 years I have few reasons to visit Hanley other than curiosity and sentimentality.
However, I did have a gander 3 years ago and was taken aback by the deterioration.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 9:17:04 GMT
Having been away 20 years I have few reasons to visit Hanley other than curiosity and sentimentality.
However, I did have a gander 3 years ago and was taken aback by the deterioration.
That will all be remedied by the council moving their staff there don't you know;)
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 30, 2015 11:27:04 GMT
Don't be stupid man.We are not a city who can compete with the likes of Birmingham,Manchester,Nottingham etc.We are unique in the way the city is laid out. Hanley should be the main shopping centre,I agree with that but not at the expense of every other town. Stoke would make a good centre for business with it's transport links and the current civic hq should be the at the centre of that. You could spend every penny of the budget on Hanley and it would still just be a town with an ill equipped bus station,congested roads (they haven't even completed the ring road after all these years ) and no train station. It has to be better though because we have a big catchment area and the city is currently shit. It's small time/town thinking like this will keep us held back. Hanley has to be the central focus for the whole city. Stoke, Fenton and Burslem should essentially be left to die for the good of the city. And I don't think they would with the pub trade Stoke and Burslem get anyway. Fenton is a nothingness anyway. Longton and Tunstall will be fine, they're both very useful towns that people use and this would have no effect them. The lack of thought and ambition in this city astounds me. What the fuck is Fenton anyway. I've never truly seen Fenton as one of the towns . Meir is more of a town than Fenton .
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 30, 2015 11:30:28 GMT
It's pointless trying to regenerate the likes of Stoke, Burslem and Longton, just convert the high street shops back into housing, that's where the demand is. No one's suggesting competing with Manchester or Birmingham, no reason why we shouldn't be competing with the likes of Derby though. You're wrong,that's exactly who the council suggested we should be competing with when the idea was 1st brought up. What's Derby got to offer ? I have no inclination to go to Derby and neither have most people. And for your information Longton is quite the bustling town these days. Why should everyone have to travel to Hanley to do their shopping ? Not everyone has a car you know.I go to Hanley once in a blue moon because it's crap and always will be compared to the big cities I go to the Trafford Centre for any clothes shopping but for general everyday items I go to Longton. If I have to go Hanley it's once in a blue moon and I go early so I can make sure I'm out before the traffic , congestion and crowds start to get too much
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 30, 2015 11:33:34 GMT
It's pointless trying to regenerate the likes of Stoke, Burslem and Longton, just convert the high street shops back into housing, that's where the demand is. No one's suggesting competing with Manchester or Birmingham, no reason why we shouldn't be competing with the likes of Derby though. Tbf I Longton is fine, the market on market days is busy and in general with Tesco and all of those shops it's not thriving but doing well. But you can definitely see the shift, the side where Woolies used to be is in a pretty sad way. Ye the wollies and the precinct is like a ghost town and looks shit but where tesco , argos , next , Maccies, pets at home etc is is always busy and most people can get what the need from Longton nowadays . If I can't get what I need from Longton ill either go online or venture to Manchester / bum the majority of the time and make a day of it . Hanley is a depressing shit hole night and day
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 30, 2015 11:41:58 GMT
Think this comment on the Sentinel article summed it up best...
"And as for the 6 towns bull**** , what general public from outside of the city think " oooo i fancy going longton, this weekend.. or oooo i fancy a meal out in Burslem..." None cus that is not how cities grow - they visit the city centre, just like normal people from stoke dont think..." oooh i fancy going Nottingham this weekend, sod the city we will go Sneinton, or oooo fancy going stretford for a weekend instead of Manchester town centre" get in the real world, the city cannot grow with attitudes like this... i mean who even goes to stoke town centre?? there is nothing there apart from sainsburys"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 13:26:28 GMT
Think this comment on the Sentinel article summed it up best... "And as for the 6 towns bull**** , what general public from outside of the city think " oooo i fancy going longton, this weekend.. or oooo i fancy a meal out in Burslem..." None cus that is not how cities grow - they visit the city centre, just like normal people from stoke dont think..." oooh i fancy going Nottingham this weekend, sod the city we will go Sneinton, or oooo fancy going stretford for a weekend instead of Manchester town centre" get in the real world, the city cannot grow with attitudes like this... i mean who even goes to stoke town centre?? there is nothing there apart from sainsburys" What is a city centre ? Normaly it's where all the mains roads end up,where there's a station and where the big shops are. It can't happen here,Hanley is a town and will always be a town no matter what sign posts the council erect
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 30, 2015 14:17:55 GMT
Think this comment on the Sentinel article summed it up best... "And as for the 6 towns bull**** , what general public from outside of the city think " oooo i fancy going longton, this weekend.. or oooo i fancy a meal out in Burslem..." None cus that is not how cities grow - they visit the city centre, just like normal people from stoke dont think..." oooh i fancy going Nottingham this weekend, sod the city we will go Sneinton, or oooo fancy going stretford for a weekend instead of Manchester town centre" get in the real world, the city cannot grow with attitudes like this... i mean who even goes to stoke town centre?? there is nothing there apart from sainsburys" What is a city centre ? Normaly it's where all the mains roads end up,where there's a station and where the big shops are. It can't happen here,Hanley is a town and will always be a town no matter what sign posts the council erect Have you actually visited any other cities (cities that work)? They all have a city centre that is the centre for everything, our 6 towns system was an utter mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 14:28:04 GMT
What is a city centre ? Normaly it's where all the mains roads end up,where there's a station and where the big shops are. It can't happen here,Hanley is a town and will always be a town no matter what sign posts the council erect Have you actually visited any other cities (cities that work)? They all have a city centre that is the centre for everything, our 6 towns system was an utter mess. Read a few post above,I said I've been to Liverpool and Brirmingham this year and stayed overnight...add Manchester to that for my missus. I've just pointed out in the post you quoted what most city centres are like and it wouldn't matter if the council threw 10 billion quid at Hanley it would not be a city centre like other places because of the very reason you say,we have 6 towns spread out.It is a mess but that's the hand we're dealt. The rail companies aren't going to build a station in Hanley.Hanley bus station is not going to be made bigger to accomodate an increase in footfall a city centre would expect.The main roads,the A500,the M6,the A50 aren't going to be moved closer to Hanley.AND moving the council offices to Hanley is going to have minimal effect on turning it into a true city centre. Time some of you....and the previous council....faced facts.S-O-T is not like other cities and never will be so it's not worth trying. We should embrace the fact we are unique and work on building that aspect up
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 30, 2015 14:45:01 GMT
That's resulted in Burslem, Tunstall, Stoke, Fenton and Longton being dead towns. Having 6 towns just doesn't work, most people don't want them, hence why they're dead. This isn't a matter of public investment, it's a matter of natural selection.
Since people have had the luxury of transport they've had the option to go to Hanley instead, or another city altogether.
People aren't going to go back, all those boarded up shops may as well be converted into homes/flats.
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Post by Nick1984 on Aug 19, 2015 19:53:16 GMT
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