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Post by grasshopper on Feb 12, 2010 22:49:46 GMT
Grimsby what a day that was !
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 12, 2010 22:49:55 GMT
i have never been a hooligan, but in 1978 when i was 16, we played West Ham away and some monster tried to pull me into the Boelyn pub and he didn't want to buy me a drink so i turned quickly and kicked him in the nuts before legging it up Green Sreet with my mate. I was at that same game m8. i have to say that as a "normal" supporter I was gratefull for the more "handy" Stokies for the protection. The coppers were shite
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Post by johnnypotter on Feb 12, 2010 23:52:04 GMT
spot on swampyscfc, the police were shite that day. the funniest thing that day was the police protection for the Stokies in the top corner of the south bank, it was one piece of red ribbon, it took the west ham boys all of two seconds to get past that. We only took 2 coaches, but every STOKIE DID NOT LET THEM TAKE LIBERTIES, GLAD YOU WERE SAFE THAT DAY MY FRIEND, NO THANKS TO THE POLICE.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Feb 13, 2010 0:02:24 GMT
I was a Copper in Stoke in the early 80's and worked most of the home matches. The N40 were very much in existence and thank god for them as many a "crew" would turn up from other clubs and try their luck around the town centre before kick off and also look to infiltrate the old Boothen End. I was also at Brum that day and absolutely know that carnage would have taken place if some of our more game lads hadn't have been present. The brum fans were animals and they would have been straight over our fence and hurting the families/children who were at the front that day. The fact our boys made it down to the front and fought back actually saved alot of innocents being seriously hurt in my opinion. On a lesser scale can anyone remember Grimsby away late 80's or early 90's. A few of their young lads got on the pitch at final whisle and started throwing coins at the Stoke Fans. No police anywhere to stop them and amazing no one got blinded. Again about 100 of our more excitable fans managed to force their way through a gate onto the pitch and pretty much annailate the Grimsby fans but thank god as again innocent people could easily have been hurt that day. Not gloryfying it just saying sometimes you have to meet fire with fire. in an ideal world it would never ever happen but it's not an ideal world and in a weird perverse way I am actually quite proud that as fans we have never taken any crap from anyone! Now us actually starting trouble, thats something I am not proud of! Still have vivid memories of that Grimsby game. There was a Grimsby lad in a red England shirt who was giving it the big one for the entire game, proper loudmouth. He was treated to a couple of choruses of "does your mother stink of fish" but still he carried on, safe in the knowledge we were all on the other side of a fence. Of course when they piled onto the pitch, he had to be in the middle of it, but unfortunately for him, when the Stoke lads piled through the gate, who do you think almost EVERYONE headed for? Yes, he probably learned a harsh lesson that day, the last I saw of him was his fat arse and bright red England top dissapearing under about a hundred Stoke lads who'd been dying to shut him up since the first minute. Poor bastard lol.
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Post by malape on Feb 13, 2010 0:47:01 GMT
derby away...87 i think,flare guns and knifes...that was the day it became no fun anymore..
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Post by Stephen Frys' Ring on Feb 13, 2010 1:18:54 GMT
derby away...87 i think,flare guns and knifes...that was the day it became no fun anymore.. I remember that at the old Baseball Ground,me and a couple of mates on train, we were about 15 ;D We all got escorted to the ground by coppers and they took us through back streets where there was disused factories full of Ram fans lobbing coins and allsorts at us,some Stokie got turfed out from the left of us when we were in away end behind goal,he was up in 2nd tier fayting and got applauded as he was dragged past away end. Look folks the initial poster was just after info on this not grief, it happens at Stoke,brum wolves ,manchester, liverpool,london and burnley,carlisle , dundee....etc etc ya get the picture ! I don't believe anyone is gloryfying it in this thread,the majority of us have been involved in some shape or form, accidently or otherwise,just give the poor guy your stories or not, it's not hard ! I too was at that Brum game in '92 was too leathered to do much myself,but a mate ran down to front to help ' gouge eyes' his words and another mate who won at cards on train down,ran down terrace lobbing all £30 in coppers and silver @ brum fans. Two other memories are there were a lot of Newky Brown bottles being lobbed around and one of my mates from Leek CSOB was stood on that metal cage thing in middle of away end lobbing them back ;D ;D A skinny scrawny stokie rocker jumped over fence and smashed a massive zulu, then just skipped around in celebratory mood and jumped back over fence to slaps on back that nearly snapped him ;D None of myself or friends were or are members of any group ( bar the Leek based Vod Squad,which as you might tell was not a hooligan firm,just an under age drinking club, Grrrr ;D ;D ) But you know what, it was all fun, like i say it happens all over the country and all over the world,jeez have you seen the loons in S America ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/7TTgAtwUz19SBi0cvrCX.gif) So let's hope for a violence free goal fest tomorrow,with us coming out on top in a 7 goal thriller, ok i'll take a scrappy 1-0 win off Toure's arse ;D ;D ;D Onwards & Upwards together folks ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Feb 13, 2010 2:05:35 GMT
There are quite a few people who post on here that got involved back in the day. Yes, quite. And I'm going to name them................. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 7:53:26 GMT
Johnny Potter- you were probably the only Stokie that day that managed to kick their Gonads...I kept having to count mine to see if they were still there.....unless you were at West Ham that day you wouldnt really understand what it meant not to be able to mount an effective fight back. I think the Oatie should find the Stokies that were there that day abd award them veterans medals!
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Post by elystokie on Feb 13, 2010 8:00:39 GMT
I was 'hiding' in the West Ham end with some mates that were Hammers fans on that day.
One of their number, huge skinhead obviously checking me out, came up and started asking questions about West Ham, fortunately for me my mates were very knowledgeable, thought I was gonna get a right kicking at one point.
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Post by Numismatist on Feb 13, 2010 8:15:51 GMT
I was at the back at Birmingham until Barnesy scored, the celebration being so intense I found myself pretty near the front. Fair play to the lads defending the end, there were some pretty nasty creatures trying to get in that day..
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Post by kaney78 on Feb 13, 2010 10:20:15 GMT
I spent a decade living a certain kind of way at the match and i wouldnt have changed it for the world. Anyone who spent days on the terraces of the old clock end,the anny road end and the kippax as a Stokie will know what its like to be terrorised at a football match. When the youth of the early 80s organised stoke to travel together it all changed. Stokies could travel anywhere as from then. We all have our views but god knows what would have happened at brum without the N40 type that riot day. i would go as far as to say a lot of stokies visited a lot of grounds that would not of prior to N40. Just my view though. -i am inclined to agree with you on that.stupid as it sounds i do actually feel safer knowing that if anything does kick off at the game least we got some lads fightin our corner.
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Post by bristolpotter on Feb 13, 2010 11:52:58 GMT
Be plenty out and about today, goarnn Stoke
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Feb 13, 2010 11:58:16 GMT
did the under 5's actually exist?
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Post by fortressbrit on Feb 13, 2010 12:04:59 GMT
pre N40,there was a coach load from meir which followed stoke all over the country,i often think what a book their storys would make.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 12:09:31 GMT
Fortress, wasnt that Deggies coach?...used to pick up from the Station in Longton too?
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Post by fortressbrit on Feb 13, 2010 12:12:03 GMT
Fortress, wasnt that Deggies coach?...used to pick up from the Station in Longton too? ,no mate used to pick up on meir square,do you mean the same deggie who lost an eye?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 12:17:52 GMT
yep, coming back from Mansfield, a set to with Forrest at Meir....been covered a few times on here this one
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Post by symons55 on Feb 13, 2010 12:35:58 GMT
I remember great days out like plymouth away, leeds away etc etc ect. Early, mid, and late 70's was "the" time for me (until them nasty policemen and judges sent me away ! 2 yrs for fighting ! you dont get that for rape, drug peddling or murder these days !) This was some time before the N40's who, i think were the under 5's ? After a few yrs of the "fun" I became a good citizen and family man. These days its still fun to go away, watch the football, but still be able to give the opposition a good bit of stick ! verbally though, mostly :-) I often thought I could have written a book, it was suggested to me on more than one occasion, but I thought better of it. A number of the lads from those days are now sadly no longer with us.
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Post by AlJolson on Feb 13, 2010 12:46:16 GMT
If you were a regular follower of Stoke in the 70's and 80's particularly away, from home, you were more than likely to get involved in the extra football activity, whether you were part of a larger group, as bushwhackers as me and my mates were, or collaterally as innocents caught up in it. I know it sounds ridiculous now but I loved it back then and strangely the aggression on match days, even though I'm now 51, is never far from the surface, particularly when others threaten me and mine. I suppose we just grow up and learn to curb the animal in us a bit more as we get older and have kids of our own. Fun times for me though. And that just about sums it up for me and I suppose a lot of people my age. ie past it ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aV1vRBg_y2NLG9ubeFHN.gif)
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Post by fortressbrit on Feb 13, 2010 12:49:36 GMT
yep, coming back from Mansfield, a set to with Forrest at Meir....been covered a few times on here this one ,the set to with forest was front page in sentinel but the season after forest came back for revenge,it was a mid week night,they went into the waggon,word got to the kings arms and within seconds the kings emptied and the forest lads had another kicking,it was awful.
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Post by kiwi on Feb 13, 2010 13:24:41 GMT
staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnd!!
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Post by thepom on Feb 13, 2010 14:13:45 GMT
I was at both Grimsby & Brum....
Remember the Brum match, cuz me an me mate, were in the Brum end behind their goal (due to us picking up some tickets for the stoke end that weren't waiting for us !!!) So we left all the lads and trundled down to the ground, only to end up in the Brum end, initially this was sound as it was full of normal supporters, about 10 min after kick off all the brum lads came in, a lot were in a bit of a state(blood down their jackets etc) so me and matey looked at each other and said this is going to be the quietest game ever, looking behind us, we saw someone we knew, a bloody girl who used to be a year above us at school, she must of left uni and ended up with a brummie, luckily she knew the score and just nodded and didn¡¦t say a word. Anyway keeping a low profile for the 1st half hour, bloody bertie biggins had a chance and I stood up with a oooooooh unlucky bertie, then it dawned on me where we were.. (Mate) had already stuck his head in his hands. FFS I said sorry to him....then as we scrambled over the 4 rows of seats to the steward at the front I glanced back to see loads of lads clambering over the seats to get at us..I told the steward in an ever so polite way that it would be good if we joined the Stoke fans now and if he could oblige us I would be ever so grateful¡K.anyway he got us out and slammed the gate as the 1st wave would have got to us.we thought we were alright then..but the steward then decided he would answer the brum fans ever so polite questions... TBH all I can remember was normal fans complaining about the chairman etc...in the meantime all the brummie lads were making there way to the front trying to gob on us and a fair few coins were thrown I remember backing away up a step and then grabbing a pole...when I looked around I had hold of the bloody goalpost and the match was still playing ..me and me mate just looked towards the stoke end with a longing... eventually the steward continued to escort us to me this whole scenario seemed to last for ages but it was probably a few minutes....then came one of the best moments of my life....obviously a lot of stoke fans saw a commotion of some sorts at the other end and as people started to recognise us the stokies started cheering at us, remember hearing a bit of stokie aggro , stokies here stokie there etc:....got back in the stoke end and met up with a lot of the lads ...anyway after the final whistle we were both on the fence defending the end and can still see the face of this pakistani lad who launched the corner flag at me like a javelin ...god knows if it hit anyone behind me...they were mad in the ground but worse outside, I for one am glad I got back to the lads and from that day on swore I would never let a stokie down ever....
So people can have there own opinions on the subject but the Fortys were fans and defended the Stoke masses on more occasions than they will ever know about and I can vouch for that...
I now live in Australia and will always look back at those times as good times, no matter what anyone else thinks...
BTW we were the Blythe Bridge lot
Grimsby another time
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Post by mistersausage on Feb 13, 2010 14:59:02 GMT
If you were a regular follower of Stoke in the 70's and 80's particularly away, from home, you were more than likely to get involved in the extra football activity, whether you were part of a larger group, as bushwhackers as me and my mates were, or collaterally as innocents caught up in it. I know it sounds ridiculous now but I loved it back then and strangely the aggression on match days, even though I'm now 51, is never far from the surface, particularly when others threaten me and mine. I suppose we just grow up and learn to curb the animal in us a bit more as we get older and have kids of our own. Fun times for me though. And that just about sums it up for me and I suppose a lot of people my age. ie past it ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aV1vRBg_y2NLG9ubeFHN.gif) I wouldn't say past it, just more choosy in who you decide to give a clump to. I'd say the older fellas who used to be bang at it would eat these young scarfers alive if push came to shove. As I said we have just grown up a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 20:14:09 GMT
I will stick my neck out here, and say the lads in the 1970s were harder than the N40.....not as well organised but harder, had to cope with much bigger numbers and more aggressive away support. Symons55 do you remember Micky Chadwick ( played for Vale but used to travel from The Station in Normacott with the lads) also the Mono (and 10 Brothers) all fom Neck End?
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Post by mattovstoke on Feb 13, 2010 20:36:22 GMT
did the under 5's actually exist? Under 5's were mainy lads from Wolstanton, castle end of the city..
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Post by nickstokefc on Feb 13, 2010 20:49:01 GMT
IT WASN'T JUST THE N40,,THERE WERE LADS FROM CHESS,,I CAN NAME 30,that i went with every week THERE WERE LADS FROM TALKE,,LEEK STAFFORD,,KNUTTON,LONGTON,kidsgrove ime not ashamed of my past,and going back to the brum game,,i was 14 and right at the front,,if it wasn't for all theses group,s of lads coming together,alot of people would have be hurt or even killed, Ive followed stoke with these lads for 17 years,from Dundee to Exeter on a wet Tuesday night,and not once have i ever seen a fan with colours set upon,,
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Post by nickstokefc on Feb 13, 2010 20:55:00 GMT
did the under 5's actually exist? Under 5's were mainy lads from Wolstanton, castle end of the city.. many good times in the roebuck by the station
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 13, 2010 21:07:28 GMT
I was at both Grimsby & Brum.... Remember the Brum match, cuz me an me mate, were in the Brum end behind their goal (due to us picking up some tickets for the stoke end that weren't waiting for us !!!) So we left all the lads and trundled down to the ground, only to end up in the Brum end, initially this was sound as it was full of normal supporters, about 10 min after kick off all the brum lads came in, a lot were in a bit of a state(blood down their jackets etc) so me and matey looked at each other and said this is going to be the quietest game ever, looking behind us, we saw someone we knew, a bloody girl who used to be a year above us at school, she must of left uni and ended up with a brummie, luckily she knew the score and just nodded and didn¡¦t say a word. Anyway keeping a low profile for the 1st half hour, bloody bertie biggins had a chance and I stood up with a oooooooh unlucky bertie, then it dawned on me where we were.. (Mate) had already stuck his head in his hands. FFS I said sorry to him....then as we scrambled over the 4 rows of seats to the steward at the front I glanced back to see loads of lads clambering over the seats to get at us..I told the steward in an ever so polite way that it would be good if we joined the Stoke fans now and if he could oblige us I would be ever so grateful¡K.anyway he got us out and slammed the gate as the 1st wave would have got to us.we thought we were alright then..but the steward then decided he would answer the brum fans ever so polite questions... TBH all I can remember was normal fans complaining about the chairman etc...in the meantime all the brummie lads were making there way to the front trying to gob on us and a fair few coins were thrown I remember backing away up a step and then grabbing a pole...when I looked around I had hold of the bloody goalpost and the match was still playing ..me and me mate just looked towards the stoke end with a longing... eventually the steward continued to escort us to me this whole scenario seemed to last for ages but it was probably a few minutes....then came one of the best moments of my life....obviously a lot of stoke fans saw a commotion of some sorts at the other end and as people started to recognise us the stokies started cheering at us, remember hearing a bit of stokie aggro , stokies here stokie there etc:....got back in the stoke end and met up with a lot of the lads ...anyway after the final whistle we were both on the fence defending the end and can still see the face of this pakistani lad who launched the corner flag at me like a javelin ...god knows if it hit anyone behind me...they were mad in the ground but worse outside, I for one am glad I got back to the lads and from that day on swore I would never let a stokie down ever.... So people can have there own opinions on the subject but the Fortys were fans and defended the Stoke masses on more occasions than they will ever know about and I can vouch for that... I now live in Australia and will always look back at those times as good times, no matter what anyone else thinks... BTW we were the Blythe Bridge lot Grimsby another time Not a bad recollection of proceedings Rigs, I thought the steward told us it was tough shit and then the coppers decided it was best to let us out. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) Fucking Showy and his phantom tickets. We could have been killed that day. Family stand my arse.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 13, 2010 21:12:23 GMT
I was a Copper in Stoke in the early 80's and worked most of the home matches. The N40 were very much in existence and thank god for them as many a "crew" would turn up from other clubs and try their luck around the town centre before kick off and also look to infiltrate the old Boothen End. I was also at Brum that day and absolutely know that carnage would have taken place if some of our more game lads hadn't have been present. The brum fans were animals and they would have been straight over our fence and hurting the families/children who were at the front that day. The fact our boys made it down to the front and fought back actually saved alot of innocents being seriously hurt in my opinion. On a lesser scale can anyone remember Grimsby away late 80's or early 90's. A few of their young lads got on the pitch at final whisle and started throwing coins at the Stoke Fans. No police anywhere to stop them and amazing no one got blinded. Again about 100 of our more excitable fans managed to force their way through a gate onto the pitch and pretty much annailate the Grimsby fans but thank god as again innocent people could easily have been hurt that day. Not gloryfying it just saying sometimes you have to meet fire with fire. in an ideal world it would never ever happen but it's not an ideal world and in a weird perverse way I am actually quite proud that as fans we have never taken any crap from anyone! Now us actually starting trouble, thats something I am not proud of! Still have vivid memories of that Grimsby game. There was a Grimsby lad in a red England shirt who was giving it the big one for the entire game, proper loudmouth. He was treated to a couple of choruses of "does your mother stink of fish" but still he carried on, safe in the knowledge we were all on the other side of a fence. Of course when they piled onto the pitch, he had to be in the middle of it, but unfortunately for him, when the Stoke lads piled through the gate, who do you think almost EVERYONE headed for? Yes, he probably learned a harsh lesson that day, the last I saw of him was his fat arse and bright red England top dissapearing under about a hundred Stoke lads who'd been dying to shut him up since the first minute. Poor bastard lol. I opened the gate on the right hand side at the end of the game to let my mates in who had been in with Mr England top as it started to kick off. They couldn't get in in the end cause there were that many pushing through to get at em on the pitch ;D
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Post by johnnypotter on Feb 13, 2010 21:51:09 GMT
to durbanscircus, yes i was pleased all the way home on the coach that the i managed to kick that ugly west ham fan in the nuts, id only bought that new pair of doc martens a few days before. you are spot on in that it is impossible for others to understand what we went through that day against overwhelming odds. it pissed me off because we could not watch most of the match for watching where the next boot was coming from. the things we do for stoke city. all the best matey.
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