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Post by StatesideStokie on Feb 12, 2010 0:22:32 GMT
The lad asked for some help with research becuase this is a simple way to reach many of those who have been involved, so I think it's out of order tearing him up. He's not trying to start a fucking hooligan revival, he's just asking for the opinions of some of those who were involved.
He's also been decent enough to ask for info via PM, so whats the fucking problem? If you your offended by his request, close the page. Simple really.
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Post by Meggsy on Feb 12, 2010 0:31:39 GMT
Cheers stateside and all the others.
I'm not bothered if admin would like to delete this page, I have had a good response off people decent enough to share their views.
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Post by ackney on Feb 12, 2010 0:37:58 GMT
it happened and still does had many a hairy night following my mob and sometimes was very glad i had " firm " round me who would stand and not bottle it. had many a hairy time coming out of your gaff as well as newcastle , sunderland, man utd /city , everton / pool ,millwall , leeds, bingo boys ( west ham ) all in the 70's early 80's
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Feb 12, 2010 6:39:59 GMT
I thought this was going to be a recruitment advertisment,,,
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 12, 2010 7:53:28 GMT
If the N40 had been a single isolated group then some of the points made could be valid. However, they were part of a larger problem throughout football at the time. I was at Brum 'that' day and I was glad we had them. On another occasion at Burnley, a group of their knuckle draggers would have me and mine and some other innocent Stokies. The N40 saw what was happening and saw them off no problems. Again I was pleased we had them.
"They wore catalogue clothing and would run a mile when real hooligans came a calling." Whatever your views on them, that isn't true.
Meggsy asked for anonymouse PM's. He could have been directed towards the books that have been written, but if he is a lad doing some research, where better to ask than on a board that has some of the old firm? If he is a Journo then the PM's would soon sort him out as such.
OS.
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Post by ricardofuller10 on Feb 12, 2010 8:07:34 GMT
You must think we’re a riiiiight banch o’ fackin’ mugs. Stand ya ground lads, we’ve got a fackin journo amongst us. Stand toe to toe. No fackin runners. ;D D'you know Stanley? ;D Genius
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Post by theboyadfaye25 on Feb 12, 2010 10:12:16 GMT
gloryhunterhater & petershiltonsmini
What a pair of complete tossers. The youth is asking fellow Stoke fans for help with a project, not asking you "to hunt down scarfers" as you put it. Like also quoted by others previous to my post this is part of our clubs history and we have to deal with it. As for the ID cards they were a tenner for fucks sake, its not like because of these people you had to break the fuking bank to go away.
Cheap ass
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Post by katjam7 on Feb 12, 2010 10:38:17 GMT
Oh dear !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 14:12:45 GMT
I was a Copper in Stoke in the early 80's and worked most of the home matches. The N40 were very much in existence and thank god for them as many a "crew" would turn up from other clubs and try their luck around the town centre before kick off and also look to infiltrate the old Boothen End.
I was also at Brum that day and absolutely know that carnage would have taken place if some of our more game lads hadn't have been present. The brum fans were animals and they would have been straight over our fence and hurting the families/children who were at the front that day. The fact our boys made it down to the front and fought back actually saved alot of innocents being seriously hurt in my opinion.
On a lesser scale can anyone remember Grimsby away late 80's or early 90's. A few of their young lads got on the pitch at final whisle and started throwing coins at the Stoke Fans. No police anywhere to stop them and amazing no one got blinded. Again about 100 of our more excitable fans managed to force their way through a gate onto the pitch and pretty much annailate the Grimsby fans but thank god as again innocent people could easily have been hurt that day.
Not gloryfying it just saying sometimes you have to meet fire with fire. in an ideal world it would never ever happen but it's not an ideal world and in a weird perverse way I am actually quite proud that as fans we have never taken any crap from anyone!
Now us actually starting trouble, thats something I am not proud of!
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Post by londonjamie on Feb 12, 2010 14:20:26 GMT
Purchase this slim volume from Amazon.co.uk with your student loan, and then read whilst sipping a Frappacino in Stabucks with your other student (journo) mates.
Then on Saturday, although the wrong side of forty and with a bad back, you like me can pretend to be hard and know stuff.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 12, 2010 14:44:20 GMT
I was at both birmingham and I don't buy the whole the N40 saved my life line, if it wasn't for the likes of the N40 all those numbnuts from the blues wouldn't have been at the game anyway how often do Norwich, Crewe or West brom fans get attacked ??? Yeah and of course they only ever attacked people who wanted to fight Makes you wonder who it was who did attack all the scarfers then and why these ex-football hooligans with their extra special powers that can differentiate hooligans from normal fans aren't employed by the government to help catch other criminals and terrorists
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Post by fortressbrit on Feb 12, 2010 14:49:56 GMT
I was at both birmingham and I don't buy the whole the N40 saved my life line, if it wasn't for the likes of the N40 all those numbnuts from the blues wouldn't have been at the game anyway how often do Norwich, Crewe or West brom fans get attacked ??? Yeah and of course they only ever attacked people who wanted to fight Makes you wonder who it was who did attack all the scarfers then and why these ex-football hooligans with their extra special powers that can differentiate hooligans from normal fans aren't employed by the government to help catch other criminals and terrorists .which scarfers got attacked.
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Post by northantsash on Feb 12, 2010 15:07:49 GMT
to those of you who are just being abusive, why open the page and read if you will be offended, you have control over your mouse don't you? also maybe take note of the message at the top of your page "please respect fellow stokies".
meggsy has come on here to gain info from possible sources, not even people who were involved, maybe just people who knew a few who were involved and why they got involved etc. its not the spanish inquisition, he is genuinely asking for help.
yes, there maybe posters who are offended as they were involved, or got hurt or lost someone etc, but its not a post aimed to stir trouble. maybe a little naive on meggsys part not to title it something else but hey.
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Feb 12, 2010 15:44:22 GMT
i think that a lot of people who dislike this subject yet have posted on here don't understand both the context of the original post or the fact that the poster is after "primary research" this means that he can't use a book or any other research into hooliganism.
he has to get response from people directly. he has to do it himself. so you're abusive and pathetic comments are idiotic and stink of people blindly trying to deny the truth that hooliganism happened.
i myself deplore hooliganism. however i think that there's a fine line between hooliganism and defending your own (in this case our fans).
i'm not saying the N40 were either side of this, i have no first hand experience, i wasn't alive then, or not old enough to be there or remember.
i do know people who were "involved", my dad used to go to a lot of away games, and obviously he used to travel with these people, but he certainly wasn't a hooligan, he went to watch stoke.
the line for me is drawn at if they go to games LOOKING for a fight.
that's my personal opinion on it though.
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Post by pasa on Feb 12, 2010 15:47:47 GMT
3844 views for a thread about violence..... where are the politicaly correct police.
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Post by Harpoon Louie on Feb 12, 2010 15:48:28 GMT
Offense at the fact that pricks have to come on here dragging up the past. Peoples lives have been ruined and even lost as a result of football violence. They were a bunch of pissed up wankers breaking the law and dragging this club into the mud. Idiots like you who think its good to bring them up on this message board which will perpetuate the myths of their"great deeds" and keep a very sad piece of stokes history alive. There are plenty of books out there and some very sad documenteries by that prick danny dier. Keep these pricks off this message board. A slight overreaction to a simple request for research. You, like me, may not like it or condone it, but our past is our past and it cant be changed. Its not like the lad asked for a shedload of knuckledraggers to meet up tomorrow in Manchester is it? Get a grip
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Feb 12, 2010 15:51:11 GMT
3844 views for a thread about violence..... where are the politicaly correct police. if you read it though it's not a thread about violence. it's a thread asking for help with a research project.
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Post by Stoke_FaN_DaN on Feb 12, 2010 16:06:36 GMT
Offense at the fact that pricks have to come on here dragging up the past. Peoples lives have been ruined and even lost as a result of football violence. They were a bunch of pissed up wankers breaking the law and dragging this club into the mud. Idiots like you who think its good to bring them up on this message board which will perpetuate the myths of their"great deeds" and keep a very sad piece of stokes history alive. There are plenty of books out there and some very sad documenteries by that prick danny dier. Keep these pricks off this message board. It is part of our history like it or not. It is pricks like you that think you are better than others just because he asked a question that need to jog on. exactly what i was thinking stafford
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Post by staffordshireknot on Feb 12, 2010 16:07:45 GMT
I spent a decade living a certain kind of way at the match and i wouldnt have changed it for the world. Anyone who spent days on the terraces of the old clock end,the anny road end and the kippax as a Stokie will know what its like to be terrorised at a football match. When the youth of the early 80s organised stoke to travel together it all changed. Stokies could travel anywhere as from then. We all have our views but god knows what would have happened at brum without the N40 type that riot day. i would go as far as to say a lot of stokies visited a lot of grounds that would not of prior to N40. Just my view though. I'll tell you what would have happened if it wasn't for the cowardly knobs in the N40 and Birmingahm headhunters on that day. Absoulutely nothing other than a decent football match that true loyal supporters could have enjoyed. Ask any reformed hooligan and they will agree they were nothing but a bunch of knobs "back in the day".
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Post by Stoke_FaN_DaN on Feb 12, 2010 16:09:22 GMT
i cant believe people are going off like girls ffs, its something that mostly happened in the past. yes lifes were lost but thats the real world, lifes get lost in violence all the time and im not saying i support hooliganism before someone challenges me. just calm down he only wanted to know a few facts.
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Post by staffordshireknot on Feb 12, 2010 16:09:30 GMT
The lad asked for some help with research becuase this is a simple way to reach many of those who have been involved, so I think it's out of order tearing him up. He's not trying to start a fucking hooligan revival, he's just asking for the opinions of some of those who were involved. He's also been decent enough to ask for info via PM, so whats the fucking problem? If you your offended by his request, close the page. Simple really. I do agree he should do this research and it is an interesting and fascinating subject as to what made these people tick at the time. I dont agree in the idiots that glorify it and make out that these fools were hero's of our club.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 12, 2010 16:13:14 GMT
The lad asked for some help with research becuase this is a simple way to reach many of those who have been involved, so I think it's out of order tearing him up. He's not trying to start a fucking hooligan revival, he's just asking for the opinions of some of those who were involved. He's also been decent enough to ask for info via PM, so whats the fucking problem? If you your offended by his request, close the page. Simple really. I do agree he should do this research and it is an interesting and fascinating subject as to what made these people tick at the time. I dont agree in the idiots that glorify it and make out that these fools were hero's of our club. Oh dear another one. Zzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by staffordshireknot on Feb 12, 2010 16:15:22 GMT
i think that a lot of people who dislike this subject yet have posted on here don't understand both the context of the original post or the fact that the poster is after "primary research" this means that he can't use a book or any other research into hooliganism. he has to get response from people directly. he has to do it himself. so you're abusive and pathetic comments are idiotic and stink of people blindly trying to deny the truth that hooliganism happened. i myself deplore hooliganism. however i think that there's a fine line between hooliganism and defending your own (in this case our fans). i'm not saying the N40 were either side of this, i have no first hand experience, i wasn't alive then, or not old enough to be there or remember. i do know people who were "involved", my dad used to go to a lot of away games, and obviously he used to travel with these people, but he certainly wasn't a hooligan, he went to watch stoke. the line for me is drawn at if they go to games LOOKING for a fight. that's my personal opinion on it though. Holligan groups like the N40 do go to games looking for a fight that was the problem. Members, by their own admittance, got a buzz from it.
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Post by staffordshireknot on Feb 12, 2010 16:17:11 GMT
I do agree he should do this research and it is an interesting and fascinating subject as to what made these people tick at the time. I dont agree in the idiots that glorify it and make out that these fools were hero's of our club. Oh dear another one. Zzzzzzzzzzz Another one what?????
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Feb 12, 2010 16:19:42 GMT
i think that a lot of people who dislike this subject yet have posted on here don't understand both the context of the original post or the fact that the poster is after "primary research" this means that he can't use a book or any other research into hooliganism. he has to get response from people directly. he has to do it himself. so you're abusive and pathetic comments are idiotic and stink of people blindly trying to deny the truth that hooliganism happened. i myself deplore hooliganism. however i think that there's a fine line between hooliganism and defending your own (in this case our fans). i'm not saying the N40 were either side of this, i have no first hand experience, i wasn't alive then, or not old enough to be there or remember. i do know people who were "involved", my dad used to go to a lot of away games, and obviously he used to travel with these people, but he certainly wasn't a hooligan, he went to watch stoke. the line for me is drawn at if they go to games LOOKING for a fight. that's my personal opinion on it though. Holligan groups like the N40 do go to games looking for a fight that was the problem. Members, by their own admittance, got a buzz from it. i'm not saying they didn't mate. i've already said that i'm to young to have been involved and i wouldn't be anyway. i was just saying that that's where i think the line is drawn, for hooliganism/being willing to look after your own fans, in general.
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Post by lwspj on Feb 12, 2010 16:25:27 GMT
Meggsy - have a look at this www.le.ac.uk/snccfrThere has been a lot of research on football hooliganism
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 12, 2010 16:47:56 GMT
Oh dear another one. Zzzzzzzzzzz Another one what????? Were you there? Were you in the shoes of some of the posters on here? Who is glorifying it? People like you up on their high horses really get on my tits. If you don't like the subject that is quite clearly displayed in the title don't bloody open it and read it. It really isn't that hard to get your head round is it?
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Post by 6fingeredfreaks on Feb 12, 2010 17:03:40 GMT
Hello my name is Pete Townsend, I am doing some research, can anyone help me?
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Post by londonjamie on Feb 12, 2010 17:33:25 GMT
Hello my name is Pete Townsend, I am doing some research, can anyone help me? Your last album was shit. Can I have my money back?
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Post by johnnypotter on Feb 12, 2010 21:40:09 GMT
i have never been a hooligan, but in 1978 when i was 16, we played West Ham away and some monster tried to pull me into the Boelyn pub and he didn't want to buy me a drink so i turned quickly and kicked him in the nuts before legging it up Green Sreet with my mate.
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