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Post by mark71 on Feb 11, 2010 18:36:49 GMT
It's easy to be cocky now and slag Stokes hooligan following but during the time of the 70's and 80's ( and up to a point some of the 90's) Not many people would travel to away games, for some safety in numbers was the only course of action.
It wasn't just Stoke that had hooligans, every team in every league had people associated to them that were actively looking for trouble.
I've played my part, it's not something I'm proud of and it's not something I'm ashamed of. It happened and it was part of my life, Our lives take many turns.
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Post by DodgyDino on Feb 11, 2010 18:36:48 GMT
Offense at the fact that pricks have to come on here dragging up the past. Peoples lives have been ruined and even lost as a result of football violence. They were a bunch of pissed up wankers breaking the law and dragging this club into the mud. Idiots like you who think its good to bring them up on this message board which will perpetuate the myths of their"great deeds" and keep a very sad piece of stokes history alive. There are plenty of books out there and some very sad documenteries by that prick danny dier. Keep these pricks off this message board. He only asked a question, Theres no need to fly off the handle like you just have.....Dont be such a dick
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 11, 2010 18:41:52 GMT
Ain't it funny how the one's against it are coming across all aggressive and the one's involved in the past ain't? ;D
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Post by mark71 on Feb 11, 2010 18:46:05 GMT
Ain't it funny how the one's against it are coming across all aggressive and the one's involved in the past ain't? ;D It's always the case Stafford, Perhaps they should get the early train to Manchester on Saturday and relieve themselves of all that pent up aggression ;D
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 11, 2010 18:48:42 GMT
I spent a decade living a certain kind of way at the match and i wouldnt have changed it for the world. Anyone who spent days on the terraces of the old clock end,the anny road end and the kippax as a Stokie will know what its like to be terrorised at a football match. When the youth of the early 80s organised stoke to travel together it all changed. Stokies could travel anywhere as from then. We all have our views but god knows what would have happened at brum without the N40 type that riot day. i would go as far as to say a lot of stokies visited a lot of grounds that would not of prior to N40. Just my view though. This smacks of the arguments used by the National Rifle Association in the States that because there are lots of gunmen about we should all carry guns for our own protection! A self fulfilling prophesy which has not made Americans any safer. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) Sorry if it upsets you kevkj - but I have never differentiated between Stoke hooligans and any other club's hooligans. As far as I am concerned all of you collectively made football less safe for me and my friends and family in the 70s and 80s. I'm going out to the theatre now so please don't assume if I don't join in the debate for the next few hours that I am running away! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2010 18:56:26 GMT
Kev, what complete bollocks.N40 paved the way did they? Yeah right. i'm not a football hooligan and totally condemn it but i have to say you really are a bell end with no clue about this i remember being a small kid at brum away and if it wasn't for the n40 god knows what would have happened to me and others, i was standing just a few yards from it all i have also been to many games and seen incidents at close hand with millwall fans at crewe station, bristol city away, in manchester, wigan away etc and can tell you one thing, that part of stoke;s support that does engage in this type of activity certainly does not 'run away' when they see a proper 'firm', and neither do they hunt 'scarfers' it's fine to have nothing but disdain for this sort of thing, but don't voice your stupid ill-informed opinions when you clearly know nothing about it
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Post by Funky on Feb 11, 2010 19:28:18 GMT
Mate, here's a paragraph for your high school essay." A bunch of wankers who only hunted scarfers in packs brought disgrace on our football club and the city in general. In addition, the antics of these hunt in packs tossers caused untold mither for genuine fans who had to have ID cards in order to go to away matches. This bunch of cunts were not interested in football, they did it for the city as they would have you believe. They wore catalogue clothing and would run a mile when real hooligans came a calling" Now get yer homework done. Say what you want about them, they also saved a lot of people getting beatings at Brum away.
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Post by greyman on Feb 11, 2010 19:29:56 GMT
I agree with you to some extent bigtimepete. I was at that game but towards the back of the stand. Certainly the N40 and co did the police's job for them that day but that still doesn't get away from the fact that it was people like them that made the 'experience' bloody awful at times as well.
I think some people have been way over the top with the original post. Give the lad a break.
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Post by mistersausage on Feb 11, 2010 19:45:05 GMT
Not after anyones personal opinion on these but I was wondering if there are any of you that post on here who were members of the 2 groups of supporters who fought for our club as to say. If so I would be extremely interested to speak to you...... on an anonymous level if you wish it to be..... I am looking to ask a few questions on how you got into it and why, nothing to serious but it will help allot into the research I am currently doing on hooliganism and football. If you wouldn't mind participating then please drop me a PM You want a slap or two to show you first hand what it feels like ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by kevkj on Feb 11, 2010 19:56:20 GMT
I spent a decade living a certain kind of way at the match and i wouldnt have changed it for the world. Anyone who spent days on the terraces of the old clock end,the anny road end and the kippax as a Stokie will know what its like to be terrorised at a football match. When the youth of the early 80s organised stoke to travel together it all changed. Stokies could travel anywhere as from then. We all have our views but god knows what would have happened at brum without the N40 type that riot day. i would go as far as to say a lot of stokies visited a lot of grounds that would not of prior to N40. Just my view though. This smacks of the arguments used by the National Rifle Association in the States that because there are lots of gunmen about we should all carry guns for our own protection! A self fulfilling prophesy which has not made Americans any safer. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) Sorry if it upsets you kevkj - but I have never differentiated between Stoke hooligans and any other club's hooligans. As far as I am concerned all of you collectively made football less safe for me and my friends and family in the 70s and 80s. I'm going out to the theatre now so please don't assume if I don't join in the debate for the next few hours that I am running away! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) Get back here Lakeland and row. It was all a long time ago for me but the times and culture were different . Im not ashamed in the slightest of my actions then but wouldnt show amy interest in that sort of thing nowadays. I ve been going stoke since the early 70s and could honestly say you soon learn whose who when your that way inclined. Policing has basically stopped it but dont think the latest generation would not love it back,. I hope it never rears its ugly head again.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 11, 2010 20:15:35 GMT
I know Meggsy, indeed I taught the lad at secondary school. He's sound.
All he's asking for is a bit of help for his degree or whatever. You want to help him, fine. You don't want to help him - then that's fine too, but why resort to slagging him off?
I've never been into that side of things but yearn back to the lad culture of years gone by. The clobber, the clubbing, the beer etc. Going the match has changed big time and a lot for the worse in my eyes.
It's like Gladiators nowadays - face paint, coordinated and choreographed chanting, piped music etc. I hal;f expect John Fashuna to run on and shout "ARUUUGAA"just before kick off.
So, if you were involved and want to help the lad out, do so. If you have nothing but grief to give the lad, then why bother?
ffs, he only asked a question and whether we like it or not, that side of things was a big part of Stoke City and football for many people. Whether we were involved or not, it affected us all.
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Post by hitman on Feb 11, 2010 20:36:44 GMT
brum away the n40 helped innocent fans get a kicking, and cardiff away in the playoffs they helped innocent fans get a kicking! ffs why the abuse on a lad thats just asked a question? grow up eh!
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Post by ST1 Stokie on Feb 11, 2010 21:01:40 GMT
Personally I was never involved in any trouble......Except for THAT night against Stenny,the barstewards then.God I hate em.Sorry for everyone for bringing up bad memories again.
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Post by Meggsy on Feb 11, 2010 21:05:40 GMT
Just to say a very BIG thank you to all of you who have got in touch with me. Your responses have been brilliant and have given me a hell of a lot of information from whcih to use in my study. And thanks for those of you who have stuck up for me here, seeing my original question. P.S Bunny- you forgot to say how good looking I am ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 11, 2010 21:10:17 GMT
"P.S Bunny- you forgot to say how good looking I am "
Well macca, you must have changed or had surgery, as you had a face like a blind cobbler's thumb six years ago!
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Post by Northy on Feb 11, 2010 21:11:55 GMT
Kev, what complete bollocks.N40 paved the way did they? Yeah right. i'm not a football hooligan and totally condemn it but i have to say you really are a bell end with no clue about this i remember being a small kid at brum away and if it wasn't for the n40 god knows what would have happened to me and others, i was standing just a few yards from it all i have also been to many games and seen incidents at close hand with millwall fans at crewe station, bristol city away, in manchester, wigan away etc and can tell you one thing, that part of stoke;s support that does engage in this type of activity certainly does not 'run away' when they see a proper 'firm', and neither do they hunt 'scarfers' it's fine to have nothing but disdain for this sort of thing, but don't voice your stupid ill-informed opinions when you clearly know nothing about it it wasn't just the N40, there were quite a few groups, some weren't bothered with names but just organised themselves for a good away day in a few pubs, and if anything crossed their path, then it happened.
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Post by beale08 on Feb 11, 2010 21:17:27 GMT
well to be honest all the people calling the people who got involved - tossers etc... i think your just as bad coming on here, giving it the big'un, i don't know who you think you are, you are the discrace don't know about the fukin hoolies
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Post by mistersausage on Feb 11, 2010 21:27:12 GMT
If you were a regular follower of Stoke in the 70's and 80's particularly away, from home, you were more than likely to get involved in the extra football activity, whether you were part of a larger group, as bushwhackers as me and my mates were, or collaterally as innocents caught up in it.
I know it sounds ridiculous now but I loved it back then and strangely the aggression on match days, even though I'm now 51, is never far from the surface, particularly when others threaten me and mine.
I suppose we just grow up and learn to curb the animal in us a bit more as we get older and have kids of our own.
Fun times for me though.
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Post by bassmaster on Feb 11, 2010 21:49:57 GMT
I've never had a fight at football but i have always wished i had twatted Bunny when i had the chance.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 11, 2010 21:52:52 GMT
It is part of our history like it or not. It is pricks like you that think you are better than others just because he asked a question that need to jog on. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) Just what I was thinking i was thinking the same
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2010 22:33:25 GMT
sorry Lakeland but Im not with you on this one, your a bit older than me i think, but in the 1970s and 80s you couldnt melt into the background sometimes you had to fight your way out, and you really relied on your mates.If you bottled it,you couldnt follow stoke in london,leeds or Liverpool .The N40 have invented their own history in a way, my memories of the 1970s pre N40 were on occasion wild much more so than happened later. for those on here that have tried to shout down a legitimate question about the clubs history- grow up, or stop using the site and read your copy of the Dialy Mail.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 11, 2010 22:40:30 GMT
"I've never had a fight at football "
Comedy Gold. You write the scripts for 'My family'?
You still have the chance.
<drums fingers on desk, waits patiently but knows it's futile>
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Post by PickSCFC on Feb 11, 2010 22:55:24 GMT
I've never had a fight at football but i have always wished i had twatted Bunny when i had the chance. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/7TTgAtwUz19SBi0cvrCX.gif) ;D
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 11, 2010 23:04:13 GMT
he knows me hustler. We've been all over watching Stoke back in the day.
Sorry that doesn't quite fit in with your emoticons.
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Post by PickSCFC on Feb 11, 2010 23:09:27 GMT
he knows me hustler. We've been all over watching Stoke back in the day. Sorry that doesn't quite fit in with your emoticons. oh well ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/3zptH1h3SvRnVmRGLyMP.gif)
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 11, 2010 23:12:10 GMT
I always find that hating takes all my energies away from me.
Especially when it's based on the written word when you don't even know someone.
Each to their own though. Night.
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Post by mumph on Feb 11, 2010 23:22:34 GMT
Christ hasn't this phuqing subject been dragged up enough? It's just plain bloody sad not some bloody golden era in the history of the club.
And as for 'research' - again - been done to death:
'Mummy didn't hug me enough / clever but under achieved at school / needed to fit in / poor family life / crap job / no excitement / needed mates to stick by me / needed respect and social status/ I like the whole homo-erotic nazi thing...'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2010 23:25:57 GMT
Mumph.....fegg hayes is getting to you mate. theres no harm in raking over all that harm...
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Post by DannyStokie on Feb 11, 2010 23:29:50 GMT
Im glad it's not around these days, it's all abit pointless, but it's still part of our history. You taught me as well Bunny, just a shame I never did any P.E ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by stoke624 on Feb 11, 2010 23:50:08 GMT
it still happens now...just on a smaller scale.....some of the bitter replies on here are just pathetic...it was still going on into the 2000s on a big scale. to all the people who have left negative replies, this is an interesting subject that ALOT of people like to talk about, it will never be forgotten...whether you Like it or not
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