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Post by Chris1863 on Jun 11, 2011 19:18:28 GMT
Meggsy why don't you just fuck off back to your pathetic little hole.
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Post by lurcherman on Jun 11, 2011 19:38:48 GMT
some turned back,,,,many stayed and had one of the best toe to toes ever been seen down stoke. Indeed All this high and mighty bollox is cringeworthy, back then there were groups from most clubs who wanted a fight. If you happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time you had 2 choices. 1) run and hope you were faster than them 2) have a fight it was that simple.
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Post by st2potter on Jun 11, 2011 19:53:17 GMT
some turned back,,,,many stayed and had one of the best toe to toes ever been seen down stoke. Indeed All this high and mighty bollox is cringeworthy, back then there were groups from most clubs who wanted a fight. If you happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time you had 2 choices. 1) run and hope you were faster than them 2) have a fight it was that simple. After reading this thread yesterday I askedme owd man what it was like following Stoke in the 70's. He's followed em' wherever they went from the age of about 13 (1969) and he said exactly the same as you. He said he never really looked for trouble but every now and then either Stoke or our opposition went on the rampage and you could quite easily get stuck in the middle. You could either defend yourself or try & do one. He also said that both sets of rampaging lads would also be wearing steel to caps and carry stanley knifes so if you did throw a punch it was more out of fear and neccessity rather than wanting to fight
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Post by Meggsy on Jun 14, 2011 4:50:11 GMT
I started this thread as I was after peoples experiences back in the day.
After speaking to a fair share of people on here and also been put in contact with others who do not post on here I gathered a lot of information.
From what I got it was going to be a very very hard task to make the information into a 'new' dissertation matter - yes hooliganism has been covered before and is still prominent in academic texts.
I had a sit down with some of my mates in the boozer before a game last season and we got talking about how the police operate at matches.
Light-bulb moment - The time of the 'high levels of hooliganism' was a time of disorganized and unethical policing, modern football is a time of supposed change. The police are accountable, organised, friendly, approachable - aren't they?I chose my dissertation title - Sit down and behave yourselves: A review of how football matches in England and Wales are legislated and policed.
I asked you on here for your opinions and had a great response, as well as asking fans from all other teams in the leagues and interviewing those in charge of organising the police at football matches.
I got a first on my dissertation and I am graduating with a Class 2:1 degree. I would like to thank all of you who I spoke to and all those who completed the questionnaire.If any of you would like a read then I will happily get you an electronic copy sorted.
Cheers.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jun 14, 2011 7:19:02 GMT
I started this thread as I was after peoples experiences back in the day. After speaking to a fair share of people on here and also been put in contact with others who do not post on here I gathered a lot of information. From what I got it was going to be a very very hard task to make the information into a 'new' dissertation matter - yes hooliganism has been covered before and is still prominent in academic texts. I had a sit down with some of my mates in the boozer before a game last season and we got talking about how the police operate at matches. Light-bulb moment - The time of the 'high levels of hooliganism' was a time of disorganized and unethical policing, modern football is a time of supposed change. The police are accountable, organised, friendly, approachable - aren't they? I chose my dissertation title - Sit down and behave yourselves: A review of how football matches in England and Wales are legislated and policed.I asked you on here for your opinions and had a great response, as well as asking fans from all other teams in the leagues and interviewing those in charge of organising the police at football matches. I got a first on my dissertation and I am graduating with a Class 2:1 degree. I would like to thank all of you who I spoke to and all those who completed the questionnaire.If any of you would like a read then I will happily get you an electronic copy sorted. Cheers. Well done mate. Despite what a few happy clappers think it is still part of our's and football in general's history. It is also a very interesting subject if you look a bit deeper than fisty cuffs on a station platform. I would be interested in having a read if you get round to it mate. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 7:41:02 GMT
Sounds really interesting- i certainly saw some unethical policing at West Ham and leicester,I think there were some bigger issues along with that in the 70s where for a time it looked as though the country was ripping itself apart...incidently Meggsy there was a thread around about 2007 which asked if any team took the Boothen- the response detailing the experience of the 70s and early 80s ran to many pages and is still the best ive seen on here in terms of recollections of the time
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Post by Stay up again for - hoodyjr on Jun 14, 2011 8:21:01 GMT
the lad wants some help ffs if you dont agree with what he doing then just fuck off instead of insulting him ffs. he is not going change his mind just because some arse holes off this message board don't like it, so why not tell him what you know (in a reasonable way) that will help him with his work? jesus christ you can't post nothing on this message board without getting pathetic comments off some tossers. good luck with your work mate, I don't know much about it all myself but let me know how you get on
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Post by Will_75 on Jun 14, 2011 8:26:21 GMT
Sit down and behave yourselves that's a really good title. you should help winger out next time...
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 14, 2011 9:11:35 GMT
Sit down and behave yourselves that's a really good title. you should help winger out next time...
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 14, 2011 10:01:00 GMT
Meggsy, can I have a copy please?
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Post by skelman on Jun 14, 2011 10:41:12 GMT
Unfortunately fights seemed a lot more commonplace in the 70's. Away supporters used to be 'escorted' from Stoke station to the Vic & back under close police supervision. Stoke fans were usually around to welcome them & share in a bit of banter! Sometimes fights used to happen in that churchyard in the middle of town (quite astute really), infront of the Stoke End turnstiles & quite often on the Butler Street car park & over to the canal.
Worst & scariest I can remember was one Boxing Day/New Year when Manure fans got up into the metal 'rafters' above the Boothen, wielding chains etc. Those that wanted to fight were thrashing about in a mass brawl & everyone else trying to get out of the way. Many fans were stuck, caught up in the melee & unable to move as the ground was packed tight.
And of course Stokies were angels at away games- Chelsea, Brum, Millwall, Wolves etc.
Thank goodness most of that has gone in the domestic game. I've been able to bring my son up on a football 'diet' over the last 15 years & the only real problem I can remember during that time is that he chose to support The Owls!! Flawed genetically!!
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Post by louismoult4england on Jun 14, 2011 13:39:09 GMT
Meggsy, any chance of a copy please pal?
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Post by bristolpotter on Jun 14, 2011 14:01:50 GMT
Bet this thread will do the rounds again as soon as we're nearing to play the shit next season
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Post by Meggsy on Jun 14, 2011 18:17:09 GMT
All those after a copy can you PM me with an email address and I will send it out.
Cheers
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Post by KernowSvenSki on Jun 14, 2011 19:46:26 GMT
Fascinating thread, from beginning to end. Well done Meggsy. You managed to provoke a good debate about history which should be remembered, and learned from. It's a shame that some of the people who objected to your research were obviously too stupid to offer sensible objections without petty insults. As I'm writing this I'm watching a programme about mods v rockers and the scraps that went on for years. It's not just footy eh?! PM sent by the way.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 14, 2011 20:19:01 GMT
Nice one Meggsy! It would be interesting what conclusions you draw. I always thought the police in the early days had a laissez faire attitude of let them got on with it. 'I'm here to watch the game'. And there never seemed to be a copper round when you needed one! ;D Some did get involved but I always thought that was because they enjoyed a good ruck! I'll always remember my mate going to the Old Den and getting a kicking at half time. He pointed out his assailant to a copper and his response was 'Well you came down here didn't you?' There was definitely a home bias in the policing IMO! Was it the Miners Strike that eventually got the Police organised or was it GruppenFuhrer Thatcher's orders to crackdown after this?
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Post by Meggsy on Jun 14, 2011 22:36:46 GMT
In football terms it was Hillsborough that organised the police in football. The Tories thought that the problems were all to do with 'hooligans' and brought in legislation that has failed to update with time and a changing scene at football grounds.
All those who have PM'd me should now have a copy sitting in your inbox.
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Post by mistersausage on Jun 14, 2011 22:47:19 GMT
Nice one Meggsy! It would be interesting what conclusions you draw. I always thought the police in the early days had a laissez faire attitude of let them got on with it. 'I'm here to watch the game'. And there never seemed to be a copper round when you needed one! ;D Some did get involved but I always thought that was because they enjoyed a good ruck! I'll always remember my mate going to the Old Den and getting a kicking at half time. He pointed out his assailant to a copper and his response was 'Well you came down here didn't you?' There was definitely a home bias in the policing IMO! Was it the Miners Strike that eventually got the Police organised or was it GruppenFuhrer Thatcher's orders to crackdown after this? Thatcher used undercover operatives to cause trouble on picket lines where there was none so the police could be sent in during the miners strike. This came out after secret documents were recently released. Vile bitch.
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Post by vancouverstokie on Jun 15, 2011 4:18:13 GMT
Well that caused a bit of a stir from start to finish , very good debate !
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Post by devonstokie on Jun 18, 2011 4:51:06 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jun 18, 2011 9:05:03 GMT
They envy us. There's no doubt about it.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 18, 2011 9:13:48 GMT
I noticed a contributer to that thead under the name "k-stand", must be the same bone head Man U fan who comes on here giving it large.
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