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Jan 7, 2023 21:54:42 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 21:54:42 GMT
Think he has been absolutely brilliant apart from that clearance/pass at the ned of the first half. I’m not watching. Was referring to a general sticky period rather than tonight specifically. Great that he’s playing well. He’s top 6 material easy.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 21:53:08 GMT
Can somebody explain to me why they are so underwhelmed by the prospect of us signing Dan Bentley, just because we have been linked with a Premier League goalkeeper whose only first team experience is a season or two at the same level Bentley has been playing at for the past six years? What would we be getting in Iversen that we wouldn't be getting in Bentley? Same people who were underwhelmed when we got Sorensen for free rather than us spanking millions on Scott Carson? I’m pretty sure there was no one in that particular camp. I don’t remember anyone being anything other than relieved that Carson chose to go to WBA.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 21:11:35 GMT
I think people are clutching at straws big style if they think replacing the keeper is going to make much difference to the way this season pans out. Bonham has been ok lately and indeed made one or two very good stops. A good goalkeeper transforms this team. We don’t have one worthy of the name
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 21:10:20 GMT
Disagree. A good communicator in goal and the first goal simply doesn’t happen. Really?Delap not tracking Harding no more no less for me Exactly. At face value he’s blameless in all 3 games but with a Crossley, Sorensen, Begovic in goal the communication has people organised early and stops people switching off. If they do, they then get a rocket to prevent such things happening again. There was no bollocking after any goal we conceded over Christmas period.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:59:35 GMT
Having a bit of a dodgy spell at wolves at the moment isn’t he?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:58:20 GMT
He wasn’t at fault for any of the actual goals but his complete inability to make routine keeper decisions leads to situations where we concede. He doesn’t communicate. He doesn’t dominate. He has no personality. Those in front of him have no idea what he’s going to do next. Delap is at fault for the first and then a combination of Souttar(not stopping the cross) and Tymon being beaten by Washington. Absolutely nothing to do with Bonham that day for me Disagree. A good communicator in goal and the first goal simply doesn’t happen.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:52:59 GMT
Despite that, a decent keeper and we only concede 1 v Rotherham and have clean sheets v Burnley and Preston. Which goal at Rotherham is he at fault for🤔 He wasn’t at fault for any of the actual goals but his complete inability to make routine keeper decisions leads to situations where we concede. He doesn’t communicate. He doesn’t dominate. He has no personality. Those in front of him have no idea what he’s going to do next.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:51:30 GMT
Their goal came from him not being able to kick a ball. Their goal came from poor defending from a set piece. After he failed to deal with a simple back pass under no pressure. Sliced it out for a throw, 30 yards from goal leading to the corner in which they scored. He clears it down the pitch, we don’t concede the corner and don’t concede. Same v Burnley. He picks up a simple ball in his box, the ball is still in his hands by the time they then score.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:49:27 GMT
Bonhams actually been fine since the resumption. He’s not really been at fault for any of the goals we’ve conceded and actually pulled off a very fine save against Preston. Their goal came from him not being able to kick a ball. And pick one up (v Burnley)
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:49:00 GMT
Bonhams actually been fine since the resumption. He’s not really been at fault for any of the goals we’ve conceded and actually pulled off a very fine save against Preston. Despite that, a decent keeper and we only concede 1 v Rotherham and have clean sheets v Burnley and Preston.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:39:46 GMT
Imagine over the years if we’d have judged some of players we’d signed before they’d played for us and like you say that’s the time to judge them.Gould has been around long enough in the game surely to know if a keeper is up to the grade but time will tell if he signs. It is my understanding that very little will happen unless Souttar goes No idea why people get their knickers in a twist about judging players before signing. It’s what football fans do. I got there ridiculously early on Monday and the goalkeeping drills looked absolutely Sunday League. Did any keeper not with the initials FF make a save worthy of the name?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:38:18 GMT
As always some get it wrong, others get it right. I’d like to think I’ve been pretty accurate with goalkeepers over the years. The only one I got wrong, and spectacularly wrong, was Mark Crossley. I did, however, correct my view on him after his very first game away at Ipswich when it was absolutely clear just how good he was. I was about to post what was the reaction amongst Stokies when Crossley signed because I couldn’t remember although it meant your mate Steve Banks going out of the team Steve Banks was hardly my mate. I got thrown out at Forest for abusing the useless twat 😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:30:22 GMT
They are totally different types of keeper. Bentley is an aggressive keeper in terms of starting positions (David James like) and very confident with his feet but maybe more vulnerable with his hands. Iversen is a presence, an outstanding shot stopper who has a very good, all round game. Bentley as a short term option initially no problem. Longer term, without seeing more of him first, I’d have reservations. As always though, the time to judge them is more when they play for us than what they’ve done before. Is that allowed or is it too negative? Judging by Preston fans' opinions, Iversen is indeed a quality keeper and he would obviously be a great signing, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely that we'll sign him. We definitely need a new keeper though. I just don't see the point in fans turning their noses up at a pretty competent Championship keeper just because we can't get their preferred choice over the line. I'm not sure in our current situation we're likely to find anybody much better than Bentley this month. As ever, you more eloquently explain my views on this
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:29:02 GMT
They are totally different types of keeper. Bentley is an aggressive keeper in terms of starting positions (David James like) and very confident with his feet but maybe more vulnerable with his hands. Iversen is a presence, an outstanding shot stopper who has a very good, all round game. Bentley as a short term option initially no problem. Longer term, without seeing more of him first, I’d have reservations. As always though, the time to judge them is more when they play for us than what they’ve done before. Is that allowed or is it too negative? Imagine over the years if we’d have judged some of players we’d signed before they’d played for us and like you say that’s the time to judge them.Gould has been around long enough in the game surely to know if a keeper is up to the grade but time will tell if he signs. It is my understanding that very little will happen unless Souttar goes As always some get it wrong, others get it right. I’d like to think I’ve been pretty accurate with goalkeepers over the years. The only one I got wrong, and spectacularly wrong, was Mark Crossley. I did, however, correct my view on him after his very first game away at Ipswich when it was absolutely clear just how good he was.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:25:31 GMT
Is Bentley the keeper who had handbags behind the goal with one of our players, if I remember right I vaguely remember Jacob Brown having a bit of a thing with a keeper behing the goal South Stand end. Doesn't help though still can't remember whether he looked good or not. Do you remember him gifting Benik Afobe a goal in our first home game post relegation? Same keeper that then wrestled brown over the hoardings.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:22:01 GMT
I think with Iversen/Bentley it’s perception, rightly or wrongly. Iversen had a widely acclaimed loan spell at Preston and his stock is high as a result. Bentley has lost his place at a club below us in the table. The reasons for that may not be football related as suggested on the thread but from the outside that’s going to be the initial reaction I guess, possibly unfairly? Yep and Lee Grant was part of Derby's bomb squad when he signed. I also said that he was a very good keeper and a good signing. Player of the year at 3 different clubs before coming to us and then making it a 4th with us.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:20:40 GMT
A good goalkeeper? The only similarities are that they play the same position. You’re basing that on what exactly Dave? They are totally different types of keeper. Bentley is an aggressive keeper in terms of starting positions (David James like) and very confident with his feet but maybe more vulnerable with his hands. Iversen is a presence, an outstanding shot stopper who has a very good, all round game. Bentley as a short term option initially no problem. Longer term, without seeing more of him first, I’d have reservations. As always though, the time to judge them is more when they play for us than what they’ve done before. Is that allowed or is it too negative?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:13:53 GMT
Can somebody explain to me why they are so underwhelmed by the prospect of us signing Dan Bentley, just because we have been linked with a Premier League goalkeeper whose only first team experience is a season or two at the same level Bentley has been playing at for the past six years? What would we be getting in Iversen that we wouldn't be getting in Bentley? A good goalkeeper? The only similarities are that they play the same position. Bentley, is however, better than current options
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:01:12 GMT
Looking forward to the Tyne/Wear derby in the 4th round…oh…wait. Wrong board mate. No one here gives a shit 👍
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:00:25 GMT
Guardiola doesn't treat any player as the star and wouldn't treat Grealish that way even if he was setting the world alight. Ferguson never let any player consider themselves the star player - not even Cantona. He may have turned a blind eye to him drop kicking a racist but then so did most the rest of the country. Pulis made allowances for Fuller's dodgy fitness but he never built a team round him - he just used him as a wildcard. A manager might work with players in different ways (some need encouragement, some need a bollocking) but only an idiot would big up one of their players in front of the squad let alone go out of their way to build a team round them. It's a fans way of setting up a team - no professional manager would do that, it's amateur. Pulis made many allowances for Ric that he would have ostracised any other player for. Lateness, out on the town when not supposed to be, slapping his captain on the pitch. Strange he could never make allowances for other flair players. Not really. Other flair players weren’t as important or as effective as Ric
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 19:47:21 GMT
Glad the stats bear out what I’ve been saying to friends and family about him. Modern day keeper. Better with his feet than his hands. Poor man’s Ederson but almost anyone will be an improvement on what we’ve got. I’d only be looking at taking his contract over to the end of the season if this happens to be true. A long term contract and being underwhelmed would turn to being a bit worried.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 19:44:32 GMT
Dubravka playing for Newcastle tonight means he can’t go to Leicester so that particular domino aspiration is over Karl Darlow potentially available? You’d think so wouldn’t you? I did post about him several pages ago
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 19:18:45 GMT
Bentley was first choice keeper at Brentford for 3 years, and up until this supposed fall out with Pearson, was first choice at Bristol City for around the same amount of time. On paper, you'd surely say that's a player who's a proper Championship-level keeper? Southend, Brentford and Bristol City. Was actually a midfielder who got picked up as a keeper by Arsenal academy in his very first game as a keeper. Which probably explains why he’s good with his feet and tries to dominate his area with aggressive starting positions
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 19:04:24 GMT
We don't want Wrexham in next round One of the few teams who we regularly beat I do remember us losing to them 3-0 at the Brit under the ill-feted Brian Little season
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 19:01:36 GMT
Played for man united and Newcastle so he now can’t go elsewhere, killing the Leicester rumours dead. Didn't realise he'd actually played for Man United 2 games in league cup
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 18:58:30 GMT
Dubravka playing for Newcastle tonight means he can’t go to Leicester so that particular domino aspiration is over Why can't he go? Played for man united and Newcastle so he now can’t go elsewhere, killing the Leicester rumours dead. Edit - unless playing in cup games doesn’t count in the playing for 2 clubs in one season rule
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 18:52:01 GMT
Dubravka playing for Newcastle tonight means he can’t go to Leicester so that particular domino aspiration is over
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2023 17:10:11 GMT
A very poor man’s Ederson
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2023 23:39:37 GMT
WE NEED A STRIKER!! A good goalkeeper transforms this team. It’s the single most important acquisition we’ll make and I’m increasingly confident that keeper will be Iversen, which would be superb.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2023 14:40:48 GMT
Could we get Heaton out of Man United? He'd be perfect for us. Only caveat to that being he had 2 bad injuries at Villa and has barely played since major shoulder surgery. He could be more Neville Southall than Thomas Sorensen but he might want to get a last few years playing having not featured for a while. If he's fully fit and physically able, Heaton could be a perfect short term addition. Yeah he'd be great but that sounds worrying re the shoulder surgery. And it depends on what he wants I guess? I've always said third choice goalkeeper at a big club is my ideal footballing job If his shoulder means he's not capable of producing what he once did, Heaton is not the sort to sign elsewhere. He'll just stay on at Manure as 3rd choice. I worked with him a few times whilst he was at Burnley. He's a top bloke and from a personality perspective, would be just what our dressing room needs.
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