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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 23:28:13 GMT
Perhaps you’ve misunderstood. What you said about Wales is equally true about the whole of Britain in recent years. Fair enough, I thought you were defending welsh labour by deflecting onto the tories. I agree ALL politicians are self seeking, self serving, power hungry narcissists who do the rest of us no favours... Lions led by donkeys - it's always been the same. I don’t think they are all as bad as each other. Considering some are sexual predators and others aren’t. And many do very good things for society (usually backbenchers with cross party support over a specific issue). Drakeford wasn’t a sexual predator or a serial liar and he didn’t take us for fools by making the laws and then breaking them like some of the tories in Westminster. He didn’t take billions of taxpayer funds and pay it to his mates either (as far as I am aware). So he isn’t all bad. Perhaps Wales will be a lot better without him, but I imagine it will still be Labour running it after the next election, and better than it was because we are likely to be a Labour Westminster government too and they will work together rather than against one another. The governments of recent years have been the worst ever. Hopefully it will improve after the next election.
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Alan Carr
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 13:33:30 GMT
Never got that show. Two unfunny disabled blokes and an even less funny fully abled bloke. Who watches this stuff?That can't be a serious question I think that everyone on here knows the answer I don’t watch it. I don’t find it funny or entertaining (my views also on Alan Carr). I don’t dislike it for being woke by giving a platform for disabled people though. Some people must like it or watch it as it keeps getting new series.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 13:24:21 GMT
I guess the issue is the much higher criminal burden of proof compared with the civil one. Otherwise, send the police to get him. I agree "beyond reasonable doubt" is a much higher bar than "on the balance of probability" I expect the Court of Public Opinion will have a lot to do with it insofar as if pressure is brought on Met/CPS to aggressively pursue an investigation If it were Harry's Brother there would be an outcry It could gain momentum as there are similar Civil Cases pending against The Sun and Mail and Harry is not going to get bought off, he wants his day in Court. Unlike his Uncle who paid £12M not to go to Court and he didn't even break sweat. I think this could be quite a significant result by Harry. How ever much people may dislike him, he has taken on the press for their awful behaviour and won. Good on him, and hopefully there are some people are held to account.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 12:02:06 GMT
I tend to think of Foster as a bit like his namesake beer Refreshing? Popular? Internationally recognised? Thanks. Hated in Australia
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 12:01:32 GMT
Well it means he lied giving evidence in the Levison Enquiry. Are there any repercussions for that? I doubt it. LYING under oath while giving evidence at a public enquiry such as Leveson is a criminal offence under the Inquiries Act 2005, and effectively the equivalent to perjury, which carries a prison sentenc I guess the issue is the much higher criminal burden of proof compared with the civil one. Otherwise, send the police to get him.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 11:51:20 GMT
“Separately, the judge rules Piers Morgan knew about phone hacking - and was involved - when he was editor of the Daily Mirror” This should be a prison charge, as far as I’m concerned. All of it should. The people doing the hacking should go to jail and the Editors who ran stories while knowing about it should as well. Well it means he lied giving evidence in the Levison Enquiry. Are there any repercussions for that? I doubt it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 11:45:44 GMT
Oh, Cranny! Never let it be said that you'll pass up an opportunity to do a bit of shit-stirring! You should win an award just for that 😂 You're like that kid at school (and every school had one) who was forever running back and forth between different rival gangs, desperately trying to provoke things 😂 I think you should know Cranny well enough to know it wasn’t meant with malice and it was tongue in cheek. Fosters a great poster because he can give and take it. I tend to think of Foster as a bit like his namesake beer
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 11:35:13 GMT
The end of dictator Drakeford. Good riddance, bastard. Elected dictator
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 11:34:53 GMT
nope - edited for yourself. My opinions don't need editing thanks. Perhaps you’ve misunderstood. What you said about Wales is equally true about the whole of Britain in recent years.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 10:30:25 GMT
She really is a new level of stupid. Badger is far too smart to fall for such a ploy else he would have been a worthy winner. Some of wife’s colleagues in government were saying at the Christmas do that when Suella was a barrister she was on the lowest list of approved panel counsel for the most straightforward cases. However they had a policy that if told by Chambers that only Suella was available to represent the government in court, they were instead to send any newly qualified or trainee lawyers to conduct the hearings themselves rather than Suella as she was known for being so useless in court.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 10:15:58 GMT
You moved there, it's your own fault what comes your way Sad really, that Britain is going to become even more of a backwater due to a minority of blinkered nationist luddites taking it back to the dark ages. I have sympathy for those hard working British business people trying to make a decent life, they are losing a lot of customers and the ones i speak to hate Johnson/Truss/Sunak and his cronies. Edited for you.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 10:00:28 GMT
No, and that means I only have a limited experience of him. I imagine you will be on the London thread any minute asking all those who are anti sadiq khan whether they live in London? What about Trump, can we have an opinion? What about Gaza, or Ukraine, can we have opinions on them if we don’t live there? Not nearly as many scandals and corruption and sex offenders compared with Westminster. He reformed the Welsh Parliament to make it larger and more representative. He goes about his job like a public administrator rather than a C list celebrity on a reality show like in Westminster. I am not saying Drakeford did a remarkable job. I am saying he was far more of a leader than the worst governments in history this country has seen in Westminster. I'm sure the majority of the Welsh people will disagree I completely disagree. I would guess the majority of Welsh people don’t currently like him, but prefer him to May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak. In fact, polling and election results back up my opinion: In the most recent polling, more than half the electorate (56%) say that he’s doing a bad job, compared with just under a third (31%) who think he’s doing well: www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-12-09/the-political-leaders-least-popular-with-the-welsh-public-and-whyYet following the 2019 general election, when the Conservatives secured their highest ever vote share in Wales of 36%, in 2021 Labour won a historic victory one seat short of its first ever majority in Wales, suggesting Drakeford was very popular and certainly more so than the Tories.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2023 8:22:00 GMT
He is far better than the Westminster leaders we have had in recent years. Not overwhelming praise, but still true. Do you live in Wales? No, and that means I only have a limited experience of him. I imagine you will be on the London thread any minute asking all those who are anti sadiq khan whether they live in London? What about Trump, can we have an opinion? What about Gaza, or Ukraine, can we have opinions on them if we don’t live there? Not nearly as many scandals and corruption and sex offenders compared with Westminster. He reformed the Welsh Parliament to make it larger and more representative. He goes about his job like a public administrator rather than a C list celebrity on a reality show like in Westminster. I am not saying Drakeford did a remarkable job. I am saying he was far more of a leader than the worst governments in history this country has seen in Westminster.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 15, 2023 8:35:49 GMT
He is far better than the Westminster leaders we have had in recent years. Not overwhelming praise, but still true.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 15, 2023 8:26:30 GMT
Poster of the year - Orbs Thread of the year - Orbs’ its ok not to be ok Funniest poster - redwhitenblue Most controversial poster - Badger/Rossi Most controversial thread - covid Best poster name - Cilla Most hours on the Oatie - crapslinger in the various forms Best lighthearted thread - the mysterious person in the laundry room Saddest thread - most matchday threads Nicest poster - Musik Best political poster - wannabee Lifetime achievement award - bayern Best newcomer - aurelius Best copy and paster - huddy Toughest / hard hitting poster - Dirtiest (most banned) poster - Most intelligent poster - wannabee 🤣 Too woke a list for your liking I presume
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 15, 2023 7:59:47 GMT
Poster of the year - Orbs Thread of the year - Orbs’ its ok not to be ok Funniest poster - redwhitenblue Most controversial poster - Badger/Rossi Most controversial thread - covid Best poster name - Cilla Most hours on the Oatie - crapslinger in the various forms Best lighthearted thread - the mysterious person in the laundry room Saddest thread - most matchday threads Nicest poster - Musik Best political poster - wannabee Lifetime achievement award - bayern Best newcomer - aurelius Best copy and paster - huddy Toughest / hard hitting poster - Dirtiest (most banned) poster - Most intelligent poster - wannabee
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 15, 2023 7:43:02 GMT
There’s nothing controversial about being right, Cranny. Also since this thread has appeared, I have found myself liking an increasing number of Gawa’s posts. He is making a late effort to potentially getting my nomination in a couple of categories. Unlike when they decide the player of the world cup before the final, I want to give as much time as possible. What’s the deadline? To quote John McLure,"just because you shout loudest doesn't mean that you're right." Shouting doesn’t make you automatically wrong either. Otherwise Brian Blessed is fucked.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 14, 2023 19:08:31 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/uk-67714132This should be a treason charge. Selling your position of power in the best interest of your own bank balance is disgraceful. Of course, then they’d have to rethink lobbying and campaign donations, and why would any of them ever want to do that? I bang on about it endlessly on here that I think MPs, certainly ministers, should be regulated.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 14, 2023 14:23:14 GMT
“United States of Europe”. Those words give any brexiteer a heart attack. Particularly when said along with “with its own EU army”.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 14, 2023 12:58:40 GMT
Poster of the year - Badger Thread of the year - It's ok not to be ok. Funniest poster - DWC Most controversial poster - Oggy/Prestwich/Wannabee (they're outrageous little shock jocks) Most controversial thread - Stabbings/Brexit Best poster name - MrSausage Most hours on the Oatie - Bayern Best lighthearted thread - Your last gig/next gig Saddest thread - Israel Nicest poster - Chigs/Cobs Best political poster - Knype Lifetime achievement award - OldStokie/Musik Best newcomer - Bayern Best copy and paster - Huddy Toughest / hard hitting poster - Foster Dirtiest (most banned) poster - c l I f f y Most intelligent poster - Felonious/Northy/Ely There’s nothing controversial about being right, Cranny. Also since this thread has appeared, I have found myself liking an increasing number of Gawa’s posts. He is making a late effort to potentially getting my nomination in a couple of categories. Unlike when they decide the player of the world cup before the final, I want to give as much time as possible. What’s the deadline?
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 17:15:40 GMT
He didn’t. But I agree it is far better than the tory plan: Or were you being sarcastic to accuse Starmer of having no plan when actually you are just uninformed as to what it is because it doesn’t make the front page of the Express and Mail. It isn’t Starmer’s fault that his solution to a non-issue isn’t big news. There are a thousand other bigger issues this country faces rather than worrying about whether or not we can deport 500 people a year to Rwanda (who get sent straight back by Rwanda if they wish but we still pay for them). And you say I'm uninformed. It's not about deporting 500 a year, it's about deterring 10's of thousands making the journey in the first place. news.sky.com/story/amp/less-than-1-of-small-boat-arrivals-returned-home-since-2020-13029598 The Home Office has just confirmed: a total of 1,182 returns of people arriving on small boats since the start of 2020, of which only 420 are not Albanian. 109,000 have arrived on small boats since then. That means less than 1% of people who have come here on a small boat have been returned. The rest are being put up in hotels (or elsewhere) at the tax payer’s expense at a cost of many billions. The tory solution of deporting a few hundred a year is not going to work. Let’s assume it is the magic deterrent they think it is (and it does not get held up in the courts for years - two massive assumptions). If 500 people are deported a year (which is what the Rwanda deal says), it will take 216 years to deport all the arrivals assuming no more cross the channel ever again. It is a ridiculous policy even if it works as a deterrent. This highlights why the labour policy of clearing the asylum backlog within a year is crucial as that means actually sending people back who don’t meet requirements and everyone else who is legitimately here can stay. Rwanda is costing hundreds of millions. Bibby Stockholm has cost £22.5m. Put the money towards the backlog of asylum claims! It isn’t rocket science.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 14:47:20 GMT
He didn’t. But I agree it is far better than the tory plan: Or were you being sarcastic to accuse Starmer of having no plan when actually you are just uninformed as to what it is because it doesn’t make the front page of the Express and Mail. It isn’t Starmer’s fault that his solution to a non-issue isn’t big news. There are a thousand other bigger issues this country faces rather than worrying about whether or not we can deport 500 people a year to Rwanda (who get sent straight back by Rwanda if they wish but we still pay for them). More labour bullshit If starmer thought it would currently be more popular to vote for it Him and his lickspittles would of raced the Tory’s into the yes lobby So if Starmer doesn’t say what he would do he is accused of fence sitting and having no policies, and when he does it is “more labour bullshit”. Starmer can never do right by your eyes then even if he somehow caused world peace and solved the climate crisis you would hate him because of the badge he is under.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 14:45:20 GMT
He didn’t. But I agree it is far better than the tory plan: Or were you being sarcastic to accuse Starmer of having no plan when actually you are just uninformed as to what it is because it doesn’t make the front page of the Express and Mail. It isn’t Starmer’s fault that his solution to a non-issue isn’t big news. There are a thousand other bigger issues this country faces rather than worrying about whether or not we can deport 500 people a year to Rwanda (who get sent straight back by Rwanda if they wish but we still pay for them). And you say I'm uninformed. It's not about deporting 500 a year, it's about deterring 10's of thousands making the journey in the first place. If they are willing to make the journey, I imagine they are willing to gamble that they won’t be part of the very small percentage of those who do who end up on a flight to Rwanda. The government has admitted there is no evidence of the policy so far working as a deterrent . It could change if flights ever start. But I doubt it. The labour plan is far better. Dealing with the backlog will save billions.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 9:13:40 GMT
I think Brexit makes a united Ireland a real possibility within the next decade or two. There has to be a vote if they think there is a majority in favour (but I guess that won’t happen anytime soon because Brexit means there is no government in N Ireland and that won’t change until at least the next election and maybe much longer if the DUP stays the biggest unionist party). A unified Ireland would make post Brexit trading arrangements much easier for Great Britain. Just rejoining the customs union would too! The devolved ( lack of ) government isn't just a consequence of Brexit, although thst may have brought it into the open), it is a consequence of the DUP ( the UK?) trying to hang on to Northern Ireland. I can't speak in general, but my friends on the left of politics traditionally have always believed in a United Ireland, strangely quiet now. I am pretty certain if there were no trade barriers down the Irish Sea, the DUP would have agreed to form a government in Stormont. And that’s down to Brexit. I appreciate there are other issues going on (it is never entirely one thing causing anything) but Brexit has pushed it over the edge. I feel for the people of Northern Ireland and hopefully they vote for more moderate parties at the election to hopefully break the deadlock. That or the GFA needs to be amended to say the power sharing can be between any two parties on either side if the largest party on either side has thrown their toys out of the pram as is the case with the DUP.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 8:39:42 GMT
The real, but not easy answer, is a United Ireland. Being in the EEC/EU didn't help things during the Troubles.....ever since the UK involvement there has been unrest. Unfortunately no poltical party would like to see the break up of the UK under their watch.... it won't be easy.Eventually I think it will happen. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/304360/united-ireland?page=2I think Brexit makes a united Ireland a real possibility within the next decade or two. There has to be a vote if they think there is a majority in favour (but I guess that won’t happen anytime soon because Brexit means there is no government in N Ireland and that won’t change until at least the next election and maybe much longer if the DUP stays the biggest unionist party). A unified Ireland would make post Brexit trading arrangements much easier for Great Britain. Just rejoining the customs union would too!
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 8:03:59 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 7:47:57 GMT
I don’t understand why we let any politician tell us what to do and blatantly spend our money on themselves and their cronies. Look at the state of the plonkers in charge, it won’t be any better if Labour win. They’re not even human in my eyes. It’s not a democratic process, there’s no choice apart from the two main parties. You are certainly correct about the current administration: www.ft.com/content/447118f1-d4f1-4715-9977-8348dc3822bbThe government is unable to demonstrate value for money across £259 billion of public procurement in 2021-22, according to a scathing Public Accounts Committee report. Corrupt.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2023 7:27:57 GMT
Now that Sir Kier has outlined his detailed plans to stop the boats I may even consider voting Labour... He didn’t. But I agree it is far better than the tory plan: Or were you being sarcastic to accuse Starmer of having no plan when actually you are just uninformed as to what it is because it doesn’t make the front page of the Express and Mail. It isn’t Starmer’s fault that his solution to a non-issue isn’t big news. There are a thousand other bigger issues this country faces rather than worrying about whether or not we can deport 500 people a year to Rwanda (who get sent straight back by Rwanda if they wish but we still pay for them).
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 12, 2023 20:13:00 GMT
Come on! “Blood on his hands”! Ridiculously over the top. Unless you are suggesting that Starmer has the power to end the Middle East conflict. He obviously doesn’t. Why isn’t our government held to the same standards as the opposition? After all, the government actually has the power to try and do something (stop selling weapons to Israel for example).
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 12, 2023 20:04:15 GMT
A fantastic speech. Everyone who supports the tories or this legislation should watch that and then say whether or not they still support them and this bill. The tories are ruining our democracy.
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