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Post by pez75 on May 15, 2009 12:32:44 GMT
You know thats not strictly true Sheikh.
For good or bad, at the start of this season Pulis believed the way to survive was to try and stem the opposition. Therefore he was only interested in big stoppers in centre mid with no room for creativity. it took him the best part of a season to realise that we could mix our strength & determination with a little bit of guile to get results in this league.
Not a criticism, just an observation.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 15, 2009 12:39:05 GMT
He got it wrong Pez, absolutely no doubts about it. You'd have to say on balance though he's got more things right than he's got wrong and I maintain that Whelan showed nothing last year to prove he would be the asset he is, this.
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 12:48:22 GMT
I beg to differ Shakester
We won important games at the beginning of the year with Seyi and Faye in.
I'd say the whole season was paced pretty perfectly and the right players played at the right time.
It isn't easy to transition a Championship squad into one that can stay up with 2 games to spare.
Check the history books.
Or ask Brown and Mowbray.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 15, 2009 12:58:54 GMT
You certainly can't blame him for picking Amdy who has been very decent for us and you have to accomodate Rory for obvious reasons. Theres no real surprise Whelan found himself on the bench at times.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 15, 2009 13:03:40 GMT
The whole point of a message board is? People do eventually get things "wrong" if they express an opinion based on what they see as going on at that particular time. I'm very pleased we have people prepared to actually take the time to express those opinions. It would be a pretty poor message board if all we had was wankstains whose only contribution is to wait until those opinions are no longer valid then drag the opinion up to beat fellow Stoke supporters about the head with. Can anyone spot any individual around here whose only contribution is to do just that? ;D
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 13:32:26 GMT
We all have different uses for a message board. The Stoke supporters making those shit opinions shouldn't have been such a smug bunch of cunts at the time. Farmers reap what they sow. Plus, another century. The 'Oi Pulis Hating Wankstains' thread is as prolific as Ravi Bopara. ;D
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Post by pez75 on May 15, 2009 13:34:30 GMT
I beg to differ Shakester We won important games at the beginning of the year with Seyi and Faye in. I'd say the whole season was paced pretty perfectly and the right players played at the right time. It isn't easy to transition a Championship squad into one that can stay up with 2 games to spare. Check the history books. Or ask Brown and Mowbray. ...then he promptly put goalscoring Seyi in the reserves and bought in the ultra-defensive & ultra-wank Diao "the best midfielder at the club by a country mile"
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 13:38:53 GMT
and?
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Post by pez75 on May 15, 2009 13:43:11 GMT
...we were wank.
To try and pretend that the course of the season with its ups and downs were all part of a Pulis' master plan is your worst wind-up yet.
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 14:05:37 GMT
A promoted side is destined to have its ups and downs just as a manager is destined to make tactical and selection fuck ups now and again.
You make out as though he got his selections wrong at the beginning of the season - I would beg to differ.
We became more pleasing on the eye and reaped the benefits of simply having better players after we signed Beattie and Etherington.
Pulis was mullered at Blackburn for playing Shawcross at right back. There were moans at Hull - didn't seem such a silly decision once Shawcross settled down and he nullified Hull's tactic of twatting the ball across to Barmby did it?
Sometimes you win them , sometimes you lose.
I would maintain that Pulis knew what he was doing - he didn't panic, he kept the belief in the players,knew that the fixture list would favour us later in the season and was bold in his January signings.
Only Pulis Hating scumbags would try and make out as though he didn't know what he was doing for the best part of the season.
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Post by pez75 on May 15, 2009 14:33:47 GMT
Whether he got his early season team selections wrong is a matter of opinion. My point was refuting the point that Whelan couldn't get into the side until he proved himself - he was not even on Pulis' radar back then.
I actually agree with most of what you say, although I think to split up your established & successful centre-half pairing when there are options at right back was a crazy decision - you reckon it worked, but I believe that is more down to Hull's wankness than Pulis' tactical nouse.
I agree that Pulis knew what he was doing all season too - I just don't think he was always right.
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 14:49:04 GMT
Well, they were good enough to beat Villa, Spurs, Sunderland, Arsenal and WBA at home, oh, and a draw at Anfield, regardless of what you think. ???
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Post by Squeekster on May 15, 2009 14:57:41 GMT
We all have different uses for a message board. The Stoke supporters making those shit opinions shouldn't have been such a smug bunch of cunts at the time. Farmers reap what they sow. Plus, another century. The 'Oi Pulis Hating Wankstains' thread is as prolific as Ravi Bopara. ;D Why are the shit opinions mcf? just because they don't mirror your opinions doesn't make them shit.
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Post by slangking on May 15, 2009 14:58:32 GMT
I'm sure we are all grateful to those people whose contributions amount to waiting for us to lose a couple of games and then flooding the place with ill-thought out bile against players, manager and owners and then suffering a fit of moral outrage when they are reminded of their stupidity at the end of the season.
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 15:04:36 GMT
What about 'Pulis will ruin the club' Is that shit, like I reckon, or close to mark? Would you like another example? Oh, go on then. 'Pulis will never achieve more than mid table mediocrity' (when we were in the Championship before you fucking moaning that we would have made Europe if we hadn't have been so shit away from home )
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Post by Squeekster on May 15, 2009 15:05:56 GMT
The main problem is that when people express an opinion on here if it doesn't reflect their own then they're either a phws or so far up his arse its unreal.
After the West Ham game in the toilet i spoke to guy who said Lawence was shit and that Etherington was motm when in my opinion it was the other way round.
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Post by slangking on May 15, 2009 15:07:37 GMT
I vividly remember Davejohnno describing Pulis as a 'cancer'. Fine, have an opinion, looks good at the time, can't be contradicted, only time can prove someone wrong, we've had that time, why not remind them of how wrong their twisted campaign was?
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 15:10:37 GMT
I'm not having a go at people's current opinions as much as laughing at the ridiculous ones that were spouted 2 years.
I have a long and vindictive memory like that .
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Post by Squeekster on May 15, 2009 15:12:27 GMT
What about 'Pulis will ruin the club' Is that shit, like I reckon, or close to mark? Would you like another example? Oh, go on then. 'Pulis will never achieve more than mid table mediocrity' (when we were in the Championship before you fucking moaning that we would have made Europe if we hadn't have been so shit away from home ) Maybe if he didn't get the cash injection from Peter that could have been a valid point.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on May 15, 2009 15:16:23 GMT
I vividly remember Davejohnno describing Pulis as a 'cancer'. Fine, have an opinion, looks good at the time, can't be contradicted, only time can prove someone wrong, we've had that time, why not remind them of how wrong their twisted campaign was? yes I remember DJ was one the PHW's as well
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 15:19:48 GMT
for fucksake
how fucking difficult is it to understand
little money in the championship - don't get promoted
decent funding in the championship - you have a chance of getting promoted
rimmers said that we thought pulis could get us in top 6 with decent backing
but oh no, here come the wankstains
pulis is a cunt, pulis only knows long ball, negative bollox that produces turgid shite...all the money in the world won't change that.
the wankstains say that the rimmers are bad for the club to even suggest that we should welcome pulis back..it was a bad decision..he will ruin the club.
then miss playoffs, wankstains moan.
then promotion, wankstains look a little stupid
then safety in prem with 2 games to spare and so wankstains still look like fucking idiots
get it now?
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Post by mcf on May 15, 2009 15:22:02 GMT
DaveJohnno and his regular tourettes style 'Pulis Out' outbursts.
;D
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Post by Squeekster on May 15, 2009 16:07:45 GMT
for fucksake how fucking difficult is it to understand little money in the championship - don't get promoted decent funding in the championship - you have a chance of getting promoted rimmers said that we thought pulis could get us in top 6 with decent backing but oh no, here come the wankstains pulis is a cunt, pulis only knows long ball, negative bollox that produces turgid shite...all the money in the world won't change that. the wankstains say that the rimmers are bad for the club to even suggest that we should welcome pulis back..it was a bad decision..he will ruin the club. then miss playoffs, wankstains moan. then promotion, wankstains look a little stupid then safety in prem with 2 games to spare and so wankstains still look like fucking idiots get it now? The thing is Pulis might be a cunt. We did like it or not play long ball. Tony can be very stubborn with team selection and tactics even refusing to back down when its clearly not working. Tony has been given money and just missed out on the playoffs and then followed it up with promotion missing the title by 2 points. He has excelled himself and the team this season by giving us something beyond our wildest dreams by giving us another season in the prem and the opportunity to try and establish our selves their. He is slowly bringing in players that will change our style of play for the better(IMHO). You will get idiots who will always be extreme in their views but i have in the past been hounded just because of an opinion that some didn't like. By the way i give Tone credit where credit is due and vent my thoughts when he makes unjustified errors.
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Post by ruts66 on May 15, 2009 16:20:00 GMT
Careful Squeekster, that sort of talk is way too balanced for some of the zealots on here with their absolute need to be told "you were right and I was wrong". Nothing to do with Pulis' strengths and weaknesses...
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Post by Squeekster on May 15, 2009 16:21:36 GMT
Careful Squeekster, that sort of talk is way too balanced for some of the zealots on here with their absolute need to be told "you were right and I was wrong". Nothing to do with Pulis' strengths and weaknesses... ;D
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Post by actongatestokie on May 15, 2009 18:13:37 GMT
Regardless of his name, his nature, his character, his style of football, his preferred formation, his choice of players, his style of pre-match and half time team talks, his pre and post match interviews, his PR, his choice of pitchside garments and accessories and his background....if he is asked to do a job and he does that job then he is a successful manager. If he does'nt then he is'nt successful.
If people thought he could'nt do it, and he has, then he's proven them wrong and vice versa.
That applies to Tony Pulis, Mick Mills, Alan Ball, Lou Macari and any past and future manager that manages, or has managed this great football club.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on May 15, 2009 18:37:22 GMT
Regardless of his name, his nature, his character, his style of football, his preferred formation, his choice of players, his style of pre-match and half time team talks, his pre and post match interviews, his PR, his choice of pitchside garments and accessories and his background....if he is asked to do a job and he does that job then he is a successful manager. If he does'nt then he is'nt successful. If people thought he could'nt do it, and he has, then he's proven them wrong and vice versa. That applies to Tony Pulis, Mick Mills, Alan Ball, Lou Macari and any past and future manager that manages, or has managed this great football club. good post think Bally falls into the couldn't do it category
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Post by actongatestokie on May 15, 2009 18:42:51 GMT
There are quite a few who fit into the "couldnt do it" category Thankfully, the present manager is'nt one of them!
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