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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 18:47:48 GMT
Wilko is a decent defender but a lousy attacker. Calves is said to be a good attacking fullback.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 18:48:21 GMT
We desperately need a full back, we've only two out and out ones - Griffin and Dickinson. you forgot wilko
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 18:49:31 GMT
Wilko is a decent defender but a lousy attacker. Calves is said to be a good attacking fullback. possibly so but the french league is a shit standard
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Post by sgtpotter89 on Jan 13, 2009 18:50:30 GMT
We desperately need a full back, we've only two out and out ones - Griffin and Dickinson. you forgot wilko wilko plays centre back as well though. he meant full backs who dont play any other position
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 13, 2009 18:50:49 GMT
We desperately need a full back, we've only two out and out ones - Griffin and Dickinson. ... and if we're honest neither of them are quite good enough.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2009 18:52:57 GMT
Wilko is a decent defender but a lousy attacker. Calves is said to be a good attacking fullback. possibly so but the french league is a shit standard Wouldn't say that. It's arguably the 4th or 5th best league in Europe, and he was said to be one of the better right-backs in it last season. I'd like to think that'd make him better than a slightly-past-it Griffin, a not-quite-good-enough Wilkinson or an out-of-position Davies. A full-back with a turn of pace and some attacking quality wouldn't half be a novelty too.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 18:56:08 GMT
Potterspride, you may not be impressed with the French League but surely you can think of some decent French players if you try really hard! ;D
I'll leave it to Stoke's scouts to decide if Calves is better than Griff, Davies and Wilko. If he is and if TP wants him we should sign him.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 13, 2009 19:00:45 GMT
Potterspride, you may not be impressed with the French League but surely you can think of some decent French players if you try really hard! ;D I'll leave it to Stoke's scouts to decide if Calves is better than Griff, Davies and Wilko. If he is and if TP wants him we should sign him. I think there was one or two decent one's that had come from the French leagues that peaked in about 1998-2000
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 19:03:09 GMT
Potterspride, you may not be impressed with the French League but surely you can think of some decent French players if you try really hard! ;D I'll leave it to Stoke's scouts to decide if Calves is better than Griff, Davies and Wilko. If he is and if TP wants him we should sign him. obviously their are world class french players (Henry, Viera, Trezeguet, Anelka, and Benzema) but how many of them play in franc league? the only one who does is Benzema and he will be off at end of season.
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Post by luke2u on Jan 13, 2009 19:04:33 GMT
Quite a few good teams in the French league, will beat Stoke any day.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 19:06:40 GMT
Potterspride, you may not be impressed with the French League but surely you can think of some decent French players if you try really hard! ;D I'll leave it to Stoke's scouts to decide if Calves is better than Griff, Davies and Wilko. If he is and if TP wants him we should sign him. obviously their are world class french players (Henry, Viera, Trezeguet, Anelka, and Benzema) but how many of them play in franc league? the only one who does is Benzema and he will be off at end of season. That is the whole point - if he signs for us then he won't play in the French League either just like Henry, Viera, Anelka etc.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 19:07:21 GMT
Quite a few good teams in the French league, will beat Stoke any day. what, as good as liverpool and arsenal and i cant recall them ''beating stoke any day'' this season
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 19:12:22 GMT
Potterspride - I really am struggling to see the logic of your position. Many many world class players have started their careers in leagues which are not in the top five or six leagues in the world. If no one took a punt on such players then we'd never see them playing in England, would we?
It is up to our scouts and TP to decide if Calve will make the grade - at least Allardyce appears to like him as well so we are not alone. If we confine shopping abroad ONLY to Italy, Spain, Germany and Portugal we are going to end up paying out a great deal of money for some players who may be no better than some in the French league who we could get cheaper.
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Post by mumf14 on Jan 13, 2009 19:13:25 GMT
I watched Nancy play a couple of times last year more out of curiosity than anything else whilst on holiday. The standard of football is about on a par with the lower reaches of the Championship overall with the obvious exceptions of the bigger clubs in the league who possess greater strength and depth.For this guy to be significantly better than what we have , one would have to imagine he is one of the better prospects with more pace than what we already have.
At £ 2.5 million he isn't exactly cheap but must have shown a certain of amount class for him to be linked with several clubs previously.
It also appears that we may have dropped our interest in Ledley and could well be focussing our efforts on Dindane again, although a loan deal appears to be out of the question. He is priced at £ 5 million but in view of the interest shown by other clubs at such transfer window periods ,my guess is that he may cost as much as £6.5 million.
What all this does show however, is that Pulis is begining to widen his horizons in his search for better and hopefully cheaper players.
Who knows...We may have the next 'Arsene Wenger' on our hands with our Tone soon...!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 13, 2009 19:14:19 GMT
I'd like to think that'd make him better than a slightly-past-it Griffin, a not-quite-good-enough Wilkinson or an out-of-position Davies. Streuth you really can be incredibly diplomatic at times FM!
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Post by luke2u on Jan 13, 2009 19:16:10 GMT
We will have big problems with teams like Lyon, Bordeaux and Marseille. Pulis wouldn't find the same medicine for those teams as he did for Liverpool and Arsenal. I don't think they'll be as afraid of our team as Liverpool and Arsenal either. They would not leave out some of their best players, because they would think that would cope with Stoke's physical game.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 19:17:12 GMT
Potterspride - I really am struggling to see the logic of your position. Many many world class players have started their careers in leagues which are not in the top five or six leagues in the world. If no one took a punt on such players then we'd never see them playing in England, would we? It is up to our scouts and TP to decide if Calve will make the grade - at least Allardyce appears to like him as well so we are not alone. If we confine shopping abroad ONLY to Italy, Spain, Germany and Portugal we are going to end up paying out a great deal of money for some players who may be no better than some in the French league who we could get cheaper. if TP thinks he's good enough and we can get him on the cheap then fair enough, I just dont think we need another RB
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 19:18:09 GMT
mumf - I am sure Ledley and Dindane are not an either/or option. I reckon TP still wants both and I reckon Coates has made more money available to TP than we thought - although he may have to let a few players go this month if only to trim the wage bill a bit.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 19:19:31 GMT
We will have big problems with teams like Lyon, Bordeaux and Marseille. Pulis wouldn't find the same medicine for those teams as he did for Liverpool and Arsenal. I don't think they'll be as afraid of our team as Liverpool and Arsenal either. They would not leave out some of their best players, because they would think that would cope with Stoke's physical game. the teams you have just mentioned when at full strength are not as good as liverpool or arsenal with a few better players left out
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 19:20:09 GMT
Potterspride - I really am struggling to see the logic of your position. Many many world class players have started their careers in leagues which are not in the top five or six leagues in the world. If no one took a punt on such players then we'd never see them playing in England, would we? It is up to our scouts and TP to decide if Calve will make the grade - at least Allardyce appears to like him as well so we are not alone. If we confine shopping abroad ONLY to Italy, Spain, Germany and Portugal we are going to end up paying out a great deal of money for some players who may be no better than some in the French league who we could get cheaper. if TP thinks he's good enough and we can get him on the cheap then fair enough, I just dont think we need another RB So, what positions do you think we need to strengthen if we want to push on to, say, a mid table finish?
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Post by mumf14 on Jan 13, 2009 19:21:41 GMT
mumf - I am sure Ledley and Dindane are not an either/or option. I reckon TP still wants both and I reckon Coates has made more money available to TP than we thought - although he may have to let a few players go this month if only to trim the wage bill a bit. Maybe, but Cardiff have said again that we have not made any approach for Ledley, which is rather strange if we are still interested in him. The squad is getting rather big though isn't it...?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 13, 2009 19:22:26 GMT
This 'good attacker, bad defender' bit worries me a little. We're not a team that likes to throw bodies forward (just look at the Diao - Faye partnership) and asides from Higginbotham sprinting forward about once a match, we don't push the full-backs forwards. This means that he either won't fit into the Pulis system or the weaker side of his game will be more exposed as he spends the entire game sitting back. This all makes it a bit baffling. After all, didn't we have a central European Right-Back who was much better at attacking than defending who Pulis was not at all fond of?
Of course, maybe it's 'very good attacker, good defender' or 'decent defender', it's just all relative.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 19:23:10 GMT
if TP thinks he's good enough and we can get him on the cheap then fair enough, I just dont think we need another RB So, what positions do you think we need to strengthen if we want to push on to, say, a mid table finish? I think we need another striker, an impact striker like camara and I would like to see a top midfielder with plenty of prem experience and possibly a left back
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 19:24:11 GMT
Homzy is suggesting that we have had a bid accepted and the delay is while Ledley and/or his agent sort a few things out. Ridsdale didn't actually say no one had made a bid - it was the headline on the BBC article which said that!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 13, 2009 19:24:39 GMT
obviously their are world class french players (Henry, Viera, Trezeguet, Anelka, and Benzema) but how many of them play in franc league? the only one who does is Benzema and he will be off at end of season. That is the whole point - if he signs for us then he won't play in the French League either just like Henry, Viera, Anelka etc. Potterspride, Lakeland is spot on mate. Man City have just had a bid for the Marseille left-back Taye Taiwo turned down. They bid FOURTEEN MILLION for him.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 19:26:23 GMT
That is the whole point - if he signs for us then he won't play in the French League either just like Henry, Viera, Anelka etc. Potterspride, Lakeland is spot on mate. Man City have just had a bid for the Marseille left-back Taye Taiwo turned down. They bid FOURTEEN MILLION for him. do you have a link to back up your allegation
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2009 19:26:55 GMT
"Of course, maybe it's 'very good attacker, good defender' or 'decent defender', it's just all relative"
Very true, MD - but TP and his scouts will have to decide on the answer to that - they've seen him we haven't. Turn it on it's head - I wouldn't sign another fullback who couldn't attack. Wilko and Higgy and Dicko can all defend.
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Post by mumf14 on Jan 13, 2009 19:27:22 GMT
This 'good attacker, bad defender' bit worries me a little. We're not a team that likes to throw bodies forward (just look at the Diao - Faye partnership) and asides from Higginbotham sprinting forward about once a match, we don't push the full-backs forwards. This means that he either won't fit into the Pulis system or the weaker side of his game will be more exposed as he spends the entire game sitting back. This all makes it a bit baffling. After all, didn't we have a central European Right-Back who was much better at attacking than defending who Pulis was not at all fond of? Of course, maybe it's 'very good attacker, good defender' or 'decent defender', it's just all relative. I can understand what you are saying but in view of the players Pulis has brought in along with other signings he has perhaps lined up ,I can only assume that Pulis is about to change his tactics to a more attack minded one, where we do not sit back in our own half defending as deep. This is especially relevant with reagards to the signing of Etherington, and Liam Lawrences return who like to run at players.We therefore need faster full backs to cover the flanks if we get caught out and lose possession.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 13, 2009 19:30:47 GMT
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 13, 2009 19:32:50 GMT
complete waste of money that would be
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