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Post by Kpsje on Nov 6, 2024 17:29:50 GMT
here’s me in the commons today, pretending to understand the word ‘scatological’. i’ve had better days to be honest… (flushed face)
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 6, 2024 17:35:31 GMT
It's like an American version of Brexit innit.
UK and yr average British punter gets screwed again.
Mad bastards.
And I've seen them and worked with them.
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 17:35:53 GMT
here’s me in the commons today, pretending to understand the word ‘scatological’. i’ve had better days to be honest… (flushed face) Oh god what's brought you here. Piss off Lammy. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 6, 2024 17:41:00 GMT
here’s me in the commons today, pretending to understand the word ‘scatological’. i’ve had better days to be honest… (flushed face) Oh god what's brought you here. Piss off Lammy. He's hit rock bottom |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 18:00:30 GMT
The pantomime continues
The centre right call the right, far right.
The right call The centre right, socialists and communists.
And little by little we keep going the same direction.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 6, 2024 18:37:11 GMT
Good job I'm not a gambling man. No Oatie Browny points for me.  Seriously, I don't give a fig for US domestic policies. Trump was democratically elected by the majority and they'll have to live with the consequences. What does bother me is that now Trump is at the helm, climate change will take a back seat and that will affect the whole world for centuries. Also, those who think Trump is remotely interested in a 'special relationship' with the UK can forget it. Those days are gone now Trump is in power. But where does that leave us? We've divorced ourselves from Europe and stand alone in the world. The EU is better off than us. As a collective, they have 500 million people to combat Trump. Then there's Ukraine. The EU and the rest of NATO will, somehow, have to try and plug the gap when Trump sells UKR out. I doubt we can do it without the US but we have no other choice. Maybe Biden has one ace still up his sleeve. Knowing he's out of power in a couple of months, he can give UKR permission to use those long range weapons to strike deep into Russia. That could turn the tide in their favour big style over the winter. It's not looking good for us. OS. Yep. We're on our own now. God knows what the future holds with four mad bastard dictators on the loose. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 6, 2024 19:23:52 GMT
45 minutes since a lefty meltdown. Well done guys👍🏻
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 20:24:17 GMT
Not if it means voting for another centrist who promises change and delivers nothing. That trick has run its course for most of the actual left wing. As for media being regulated that really depends on who you ask. Wasn't so long ago that the broadcaster paid for by our taxes was: - "Mistakengly" showing historical footage of Boris laying a wreath during a live remembrance broadcast because he laid it disrespectfully. - Or "accidently" photoshopping pictures of Jeremy Corbyn dressed in Russian attire on state broadcasts in build up to election. - or editing interviews by political candidates to show answers to completely different questions asked to mislead the population - www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38666914So you can't just blame social media. Let's not forget the sun getting all cosy with Mr Starmer and then he decides not to do leveson 2 after getting their support. So I'd argue it very much isn't regulated. And when a regulator does find they've done something wrong. The apology usually is hidden in a corner and gets 5% of the views which the fake news they reported initially got. Well done for digging up some examples of the media getting it wrong. I bet anything you like in the few seconds it takes me to write out this message there have been thousands of posts across all social medias which contain lies which won’t be corrected at all. The two are not comparable in any way. Arguing that we should have had Leveson 2, but social media is fine doesn’t make sense. There was no left wing candidate in the US election. There was no left wing candidate in the UK election (perhaps the Greens, and to some extent the SNP). You are believing the rubbish Trump (and some tories) say about the far left democrats/labour. Labour were left wing under Corbyn. For the majority of my life they have been more centrist, certainly since 1997 (I don’t have enough knowledge about pre Blair labour to comment further back). This isn’t a left v right thing. Trump isn’t a traditional Republican in many ways, which is why is he does so well with certain demographics Republicans don’t usually do well with. I am not “just” blaming social media. But when politicians can say anything and not be held to account then we are in a dangerous world. It is even worse if they can be convicted of crimes and not face consequences, and then pardon themself from future cases, which is what Trump will no doubt do and is completely wrong regardless of who he is. The rule of law is the most fundamental principle in democracy. He owns the Supreme Court. There is no rule of law in the USA. No checks and balances. If politicians lost their jobs and were prohibited from holding public office ever again if they can be shown to have lied to their public, then they would be far more careful in how they communicate, both on and off social media. A regulator would help stop the appalling stuff from Dawn Butler about Badenoch, and Lammy’s humiliating historic tweets about Trump. It didn't require any digging Oggy. There are countless examples of Corbyn being smeared and misrepresented in legacy media. There's a significant difference between that and social media. Legacy media firstly gets alot more viewership so the bbc tweeting, Facebooking, radio, TV news, website etc.. for each piece of news. And it's still generally treated as more trustworthy by the majority. I'm not contesting there's misinformation on social media, I'm simply pointing out there's also plenty of misinformation being cycled by privately (and publicly) owned legacy media too. GB News is a good example of a TV channel you reference yourself as spreading misinformation. I've literally not argued anywhere social media is fine? What rubbish exactly am I believing that Trump says about democrats/labour? I'm not a Trump supporter by any means... My beliefs on labour are well documented and I'm not alone as a "left winger" on this forum whom has been critical of Starmer for a long time. But not a single one of my criticisms of Starmer is to do with anything the tories or Donald Trump has said. I think they'd probably be quite supportive of starmers u turns behind closed doors to be honest given all of them where a turn in their direction. I agree with all of your concerns there in relation to Trump and democracy and what not. I just personally don't see democrats as much different from republicans. I think the electoral system in the USA, like ours in the UK, are very much built to keep the same two parties in power. Or at least that's what's transcended for the last century and 175 years respectively for the UK and USA. It's a system built on fear: - You're scared of womens rights being lost, lgbtq rights, authoritarianism, fascism, markets being spooked, gammon, Russia and what not. - Right wingers are scared of gays, trans, Muslims, wokeness, Liberal elites, avocados, Iran and what not. And it feels like both parties tend to play up to this project fear. I guess the main reason for it is thar if you're scared of electing a bogeyman then you're more likely to comply and vote for the highest polling alternative. So by always having someone for either side to fear, they'll always vote for whom they believe is the lesser evil. The funny thing is if you look at alot of historical and present elections from socialists which the USA has worked to overthrow. Many of those have elections were 60%+ of the vote is for one party and there's a sense of unity rather than division. Or if you look at China and Vietnam too which have both grown at much greater pace than ourselves, again unity. Maybe capitalism is the issue and relies on a divided society to survive. Of course though.... I am very much what some may call far left in today's world so that's just my take. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 20:44:22 GMT
here’s me in the commons today, pretending to understand the word ‘scatological’. i’ve had better days to be honest… (flushed face) Are you still intending to chain yourself to the gates of downing street mate? 🤣  |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 20:57:34 GMT
Well done for digging up some examples of the media getting it wrong. I bet anything you like in the few seconds it takes me to write out this message there have been thousands of posts across all social medias which contain lies which won’t be corrected at all. The two are not comparable in any way. Arguing that we should have had Leveson 2, but social media is fine doesn’t make sense. There was no left wing candidate in the US election. There was no left wing candidate in the UK election (perhaps the Greens, and to some extent the SNP). You are believing the rubbish Trump (and some tories) say about the far left democrats/labour. Labour were left wing under Corbyn. For the majority of my life they have been more centrist, certainly since 1997 (I don’t have enough knowledge about pre Blair labour to comment further back). This isn’t a left v right thing. Trump isn’t a traditional Republican in many ways, which is why is he does so well with certain demographics Republicans don’t usually do well with. I am not “just” blaming social media. But when politicians can say anything and not be held to account then we are in a dangerous world. It is even worse if they can be convicted of crimes and not face consequences, and then pardon themself from future cases, which is what Trump will no doubt do and is completely wrong regardless of who he is. The rule of law is the most fundamental principle in democracy. He owns the Supreme Court. There is no rule of law in the USA. No checks and balances. If politicians lost their jobs and were prohibited from holding public office ever again if they can be shown to have lied to their public, then they would be far more careful in how they communicate, both on and off social media. A regulator would help stop the appalling stuff from Dawn Butler about Badenoch, and Lammy’s humiliating historic tweets about Trump. It didn't require any digging Oggy. There are countless examples of Corbyn being smeared and misrepresented in legacy media. There's a significant difference between that and social media. Legacy media firstly gets alot more viewership so the bbc tweeting, Facebooking, radio, TV news, website etc.. for each piece of news. And it's still generally treated as more trustworthy by the majority. I'm not contesting there's misinformation on social media, I'm simply pointing out there's also plenty of misinformation being cycled by privately (and publicly) owned legacy media too. GB News is a good example of a TV channel you reference yourself as spreading misinformation. I've literally not argued anywhere social media is fine? What rubbish exactly am I believing that Trump says about democrats/labour? I'm not a Trump supporter by any means... My beliefs on labour are well documented and I'm not alone as a "left winger" on this forum whom has been critical of Starmer for a long time. But not a single one of my criticisms of Starmer is to do with anything the tories or Donald Trump has said. I think they'd probably be quite supportive of starmers u turns behind closed doors to be honest given all of them where a turn in their direction. I agree with all of your concerns there in relation to Trump and democracy and what not. I just personally don't see democrats as much different from republicans. I think the electoral system in the USA, like ours in the UK, are very much built to keep the same two parties in power. Or at least that's what's transcended for the last century and 175 years respectively for the UK and USA. It's a system built on fear: - You're scared of womens rights being lost, lgbtq rights, authoritarianism, fascism, markets being spooked, gammon, Russia and what not. - Right wingers are scared of gays, trans, Muslims, wokeness, Liberal elites, avocados, Iran and what not. And it feels like both parties tend to play up to this project fear. I guess the main reason for it is thar if you're scared of electing a bogeyman then you're more likely to comply and vote for the highest polling alternative. So by always having someone for either side to fear, they'll always vote for whom they believe is the lesser evil. The funny thing is if you look at alot of historical and present elections from socialists which the USA has worked to overthrow. Many of those have elections were 60%+ of the vote is for one party and there's a sense of unity rather than division. Or if you look at China and Vietnam too which have both grown at much greater pace than ourselves, again unity. Maybe capitalism is the issue and relies on a divided society to survive. Of course though.... I am very much what some may call far left in today's world so that's just my take. How can you say Democrats aren’t much different from the Republicans? The last time a Republican lost the election, he tried to tell everyone he won and incited a riot that led to deaths at the Capitol. Democrats haven’t put forward a convicted felon who has readily admitted he will pardon himself if he wins as their candidate and prevent potentially further criminal convictions. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 20:59:42 GMT
here’s me in the commons today, pretending to understand the word ‘scatological’. i’ve had better days to be honest… (flushed face) Are you still intending to chain yourself to the gates of downing street mate? 🤣 To be fair, that last bit about divided Europe and calling Trump a coward is absolutely spot on. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 21:24:07 GMT
It didn't require any digging Oggy. There are countless examples of Corbyn being smeared and misrepresented in legacy media. There's a significant difference between that and social media. Legacy media firstly gets alot more viewership so the bbc tweeting, Facebooking, radio, TV news, website etc.. for each piece of news. And it's still generally treated as more trustworthy by the majority. I'm not contesting there's misinformation on social media, I'm simply pointing out there's also plenty of misinformation being cycled by privately (and publicly) owned legacy media too. GB News is a good example of a TV channel you reference yourself as spreading misinformation. I've literally not argued anywhere social media is fine? What rubbish exactly am I believing that Trump says about democrats/labour? I'm not a Trump supporter by any means... My beliefs on labour are well documented and I'm not alone as a "left winger" on this forum whom has been critical of Starmer for a long time. But not a single one of my criticisms of Starmer is to do with anything the tories or Donald Trump has said. I think they'd probably be quite supportive of starmers u turns behind closed doors to be honest given all of them where a turn in their direction. I agree with all of your concerns there in relation to Trump and democracy and what not. I just personally don't see democrats as much different from republicans. I think the electoral system in the USA, like ours in the UK, are very much built to keep the same two parties in power. Or at least that's what's transcended for the last century and 175 years respectively for the UK and USA. It's a system built on fear: - You're scared of womens rights being lost, lgbtq rights, authoritarianism, fascism, markets being spooked, gammon, Russia and what not. - Right wingers are scared of gays, trans, Muslims, wokeness, Liberal elites, avocados, Iran and what not. And it feels like both parties tend to play up to this project fear. I guess the main reason for it is thar if you're scared of electing a bogeyman then you're more likely to comply and vote for the highest polling alternative. So by always having someone for either side to fear, they'll always vote for whom they believe is the lesser evil. The funny thing is if you look at alot of historical and present elections from socialists which the USA has worked to overthrow. Many of those have elections were 60%+ of the vote is for one party and there's a sense of unity rather than division. Or if you look at China and Vietnam too which have both grown at much greater pace than ourselves, again unity. Maybe capitalism is the issue and relies on a divided society to survive. Of course though.... I am very much what some may call far left in today's world so that's just my take. How can you say Democrats aren’t much different from the Republicans? The last time a Republican lost the election, he tried to tell everyone he won and incited a riot that led to deaths at the Capitol. Democrats haven’t put forward a convicted felon who has readily admitted he will pardon himself if he wins as their candidate and prevent potentially further criminal convictions. On the big things they're very similar. They support a status quo of the current electoral system, support capitalist economy, agree on most foreign issues with nuanced differences. The man you're referencing was a democrat for many years himself so I think that sort of backs it up too. They may take different sides and argue different angles on things but ultimately they always generally compromise or blame one house or the other for not doing what they wish to do and so very little changes between them. Trump may break the mould a bit compared to past republican leaders but just like the Democrats he will also be serving his parties pay masters over the population. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 6, 2024 21:26:52 GMT
45 minutes since a lefty meltdown. Well done guys👍🏻 There's no meltdown to be had. He's been democratically elected... Although I assume democracy only works when Trumpy wins eh lol? I think ultimately this might not be the worst thing for us. We have to move closer to Europe now. Trump won't work with Starmer, so realistically, we will HAVE to rebuild our relationship with Europe and quickly. Could Donald trump be the key to Britain heading back in the EU? Just imagine the carnage on here if that happened! |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 21:28:00 GMT
Bernie sums it up perfectly
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Post by metalhead on Nov 6, 2024 21:31:30 GMT
Bernie sums it up perfectly I've always said Bernie is the Democratic answer but from speaking to a couple of Americans, I think many see him as their Corbyn. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 21:33:26 GMT
Bernie sums it up perfectly I've always said Bernie is the Democratic answer but from speaking to a couple of Americans, I think many see him as their Corbyn. Corbyn, Sanders, Melonchon the Holy trinity of the west  |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 21:34:38 GMT
How can you say Democrats aren’t much different from the Republicans? The last time a Republican lost the election, he tried to tell everyone he won and incited a riot that led to deaths at the Capitol. Democrats haven’t put forward a convicted felon who has readily admitted he will pardon himself if he wins as their candidate and prevent potentially further criminal convictions. On the big things they're very similar. They support a status quo of the current electoral system, support capitalist economy, agree on most foreign issues with nuanced differences. The man you're referencing was a democrat for many years himself so I think that sort of backs it up too. They may take different sides and argue different angles on things but ultimately they always generally compromise or blame one house or the other for not doing what they wish to do and so very little changes between them. Trump may break the mould a bit compared to past republican leaders but just like the Democrats he will also be serving his parties pay masters over the population. Yes I agree with all of that. Anyway, Trump’s joy of winning last night is nothing compared to the feeling of a smash and grab away from home! |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 6, 2024 21:37:12 GMT
On the big things they're very similar. They support a status quo of the current electoral system, support capitalist economy, agree on most foreign issues with nuanced differences. The man you're referencing was a democrat for many years himself so I think that sort of backs it up too. They may take different sides and argue different angles on things but ultimately they always generally compromise or blame one house or the other for not doing what they wish to do and so very little changes between them. Trump may break the mould a bit compared to past republican leaders but just like the Democrats he will also be serving his parties pay masters over the population. Yes I agree with all of that. Anyway, Trump’s joy of winning last night is nothing compared to the feeling of a smash and grab away from home! Teach me for sending the kids to bed at half time and turning it off. I genuinely thought we were never scoring after that miss from Manny. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 6, 2024 22:26:11 GMT
Bernie sums it up perfectly According to Bernie the people in charge are already ripping ordinary Americans off, who'd have thunk it 🤷 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 6, 2024 22:57:11 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 6, 2024 23:09:55 GMT
Well done for digging up some examples of the media getting it wrong. I bet anything you like in the few seconds it takes me to write out this message there have been thousands of posts across all social medias which contain lies which won’t be corrected at all. The two are not comparable in any way. Arguing that we should have had Leveson 2, but social media is fine doesn’t make sense. There was no left wing candidate in the US election. There was no left wing candidate in the UK election (perhaps the Greens, and to some extent the SNP). You are believing the rubbish Trump (and some tories) say about the far left democrats/labour. Labour were left wing under Corbyn. For the majority of my life they have been more centrist, certainly since 1997 (I don’t have enough knowledge about pre Blair labour to comment further back). This isn’t a left v right thing. Trump isn’t a traditional Republican in many ways, which is why is he does so well with certain demographics Republicans don’t usually do well with. I am not “just” blaming social media. But when politicians can say anything and not be held to account then we are in a dangerous world. It is even worse if they can be convicted of crimes and not face consequences, and then pardon themself from future cases, which is what Trump will no doubt do and is completely wrong regardless of who he is. The rule of law is the most fundamental principle in democracy. He owns the Supreme Court. There is no rule of law in the USA. No checks and balances. If politicians lost their jobs and were prohibited from holding public office ever again if they can be shown to have lied to their public, then they would be far more careful in how they communicate, both on and off social media. A regulator would help stop the appalling stuff from Dawn Butler about Badenoch, and Lammy’s humiliating historic tweets about Trump. It didn't require any digging Oggy. There are countless examples of Corbyn being smeared and misrepresented in legacy media. There's a significant difference between that and social media. Legacy media firstly gets alot more viewership so the bbc tweeting, Facebooking, radio, TV news, website etc.. for each piece of news. And it's still generally treated as more trustworthy by the majority. I'm not contesting there's misinformation on social media, I'm simply pointing out there's also plenty of misinformation being cycled by privately (and publicly) owned legacy media too. GB News is a good example of a TV channel you reference yourself as spreading misinformation. I've literally not argued anywhere social media is fine? What rubbish exactly am I believing that Trump says about democrats/labour? I'm not a Trump supporter by any means... My beliefs on labour are well documented and I'm not alone as a "left winger" on this forum whom has been critical of Starmer for a long time. But not a single one of my criticisms of Starmer is to do with anything the tories or Donald Trump has said. I think they'd probably be quite supportive of starmers u turns behind closed doors to be honest given all of them where a turn in their direction. I agree with all of your concerns there in relation to Trump and democracy and what not. I just personally don't see democrats as much different from republicans. I think the electoral system in the USA, like ours in the UK, are very much built to keep the same two parties in power. Or at least that's what's transcended for the last century and 175 years respectively for the UK and USA. It's a system built on fear: - You're scared of womens rights being lost, lgbtq rights, authoritarianism, fascism, markets being spooked, gammon, Russia and what not. - Right wingers are scared of gays, trans, Muslims, wokeness, Liberal elites, avocados, Iran and what not. And it feels like both parties tend to play up to this project fear. I guess the main reason for it is thar if you're scared of electing a bogeyman then you're more likely to comply and vote for the highest polling alternative. So by always having someone for either side to fear, they'll always vote for whom they believe is the lesser evil. The funny thing is if you look at alot of historical and present elections from socialists which the USA has worked to overthrow. Many of those have elections were 60%+ of the vote is for one party and there's a sense of unity rather than division. Or if you look at China and Vietnam too which have both grown at much greater pace than ourselves, again unity. Maybe capitalism is the issue and relies on a divided society to survive. Of course though.... I am very much what some may call far left in today's world so that's just my take. You’re not wrong brother Gawa. The rumours they made about me and Ms Abbott were totally fabricated ;o) |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 6, 2024 23:17:35 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 7, 2024 0:31:30 GMT
45 minutes since a lefty meltdown. Well done guys👍🏻 The left won in this country, and won big. That's all that matters.  |
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 7, 2024 0:40:05 GMT
Good job I'm not a gambling man. No Oatie Browny points for me. Seriously, I don't give a fig for US domestic policies. Trump was democratically elected by the majority and they'll have to live with the consequences. What does bother me is that now Trump is at the helm, climate change will take a back seat and that will affect the whole world for centuries. Also, those who think Trump is remotely interested in a 'special relationship' with the UK can forget it. Those days are gone now Trump is in power. But where does that leave us? We've divorced ourselves from Europe and stand alone in the world. The EU is better off than us. As a collective, they have 500 million people to combat Trump. Then there's Ukraine. The EU and the rest of NATO will, somehow, have to try and plug the gap when Trump sells UKR out. I doubt we can do it without the US but we have no other choice. Maybe Biden has one ace still up his sleeve. Knowing he's out of power in a couple of months, he can give UKR permission to use those long range weapons to strike deep into Russia. That could turn the tide in their favour big style over the winter. It's not looking good for us. OS. I honestly think that the Ukraine War will be over within 12 months now and Middle Eastern conflict will follow suit. Edit: to clarify, I think Russia will pull out now. Really?! I only foresee vital US military support being withdrawn and Russia smelling blood unless Europe club together and get proper hardware into Ukraine. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 7, 2024 0:59:04 GMT
Wall Street record highs. I see Bayerns Pissy Fit this morning didn't impact the markets too much. Let's get business a'rollin And the cost of borrowing also went up, 10 year Bonds increased by 15 Basis Points in anticipation of Trump giving Tax cuts to the rich and increasing Government Debt This immediately impacts Mortgages If he follows through on his Tariff Plan this Country will be Fucked |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 7, 2024 3:52:51 GMT
Good job I'm not a gambling man. No Oatie Browny points for me. Seriously, I don't give a fig for US domestic policies. Trump was democratically elected by the majority and they'll have to live with the consequences. What does bother me is that now Trump is at the helm, climate change will take a back seat and that will affect the whole world for centuries. Also, those who think Trump is remotely interested in a 'special relationship' with the UK can forget it. Those days are gone now Trump is in power. But where does that leave us? We've divorced ourselves from Europe and stand alone in the world. The EU is better off than us. As a collective, they have 500 million people to combat Trump. Then there's Ukraine. The EU and the rest of NATO will, somehow, have to try and plug the gap when Trump sells UKR out. I doubt we can do it without the US but we have no other choice. Maybe Biden has one ace still up his sleeve. Knowing he's out of power in a couple of months, he can give UKR permission to use those long range weapons to strike deep into Russia. That could turn the tide in their favour big style over the winter. It's not looking good for us. OS. I honestly think that the Ukraine War will be over within 12 months now and Middle Eastern conflict will follow suit. Edit: to clarify, I think Russia will pull out now. What on earth are you basing this on? |
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Post by knype on Nov 7, 2024 5:01:58 GMT
45 minutes since a lefty meltdown. Well done guys👍🏻 The left won in this country, and won big. That's all that matters. Hopefully this is Labours / Biden & Harris moment and people realise that they aren't for the working class people either! |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 7, 2024 7:24:11 GMT
I'm not wrong because I was wrong, I'm wrong because I'm an optimist!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 7, 2024 9:05:17 GMT
The left won in this country, and won big. That's all that matters. Hopefully this is Labours / Biden & Harris moment and people realise that they aren't for the working class people either! Are you saying that the working class people are too thick to understand what they voted for? |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 7, 2024 9:32:31 GMT
I honestly think that the Ukraine War will be over within 12 months now and Middle Eastern conflict will follow suit. Edit: to clarify, I think Russia will pull out now. What on earth are you basing this on? Yea he's a scary bastard But Biden is no good either and is a neo liberal |
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