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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 6, 2024 14:59:43 GMT
There's been some very perceptive analysis over the last few hours but this is actually quite brilliant ...
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 6, 2024 15:12:48 GMT
Wall Street record highs.
I see Bayerns Pissy Fit this morning didn't impact the markets too much.
Let's get business a'rollin
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 15:13:04 GMT
Media is regulated. Social media is not. Which makes one extremely dangerous. Every single commentator says the world is a more dangerous place today compared with yesterday. He is not just an unpleasant man. He is a convicted criminal and a serial liar. Most people who have ever worked for him have turned against him, which tells us something. He doesn’t understand many issues by all accounts. It is X factor politics. We need to ensure the same does not happen in our country. Not if it means voting for another centrist who promises change and delivers nothing. That trick has run its course for most of the actual left wing. As for media being regulated that really depends on who you ask. Wasn't so long ago that the broadcaster paid for by our taxes was: - "Mistakengly" showing historical footage of Boris laying a wreath during a live remembrance broadcast because he laid it disrespectfully. - Or "accidently" photoshopping pictures of Jeremy Corbyn dressed in Russian attire on state broadcasts in build up to election. - or editing interviews by political candidates to show answers to completely different questions asked to mislead the population - www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38666914So you can't just blame social media. Let's not forget the sun getting all cosy with Mr Starmer and then he decides not to do leveson 2 after getting their support. So I'd argue it very much isn't regulated. And when a regulator does find they've done something wrong. The apology usually is hidden in a corner and gets 5% of the views which the fake news they reported initially got. Well done for digging up some examples of the media getting it wrong. I bet anything you like in the few seconds it takes me to write out this message there have been thousands of posts across all social medias which contain lies which won’t be corrected at all. The two are not comparable in any way. Arguing that we should have had Leveson 2, but social media is fine doesn’t make sense. There was no left wing candidate in the US election. There was no left wing candidate in the UK election (perhaps the Greens, and to some extent the SNP). You are believing the rubbish Trump (and some tories) say about the far left democrats/labour. Labour were left wing under Corbyn. For the majority of my life they have been more centrist, certainly since 1997 (I don’t have enough knowledge about pre Blair labour to comment further back). This isn’t a left v right thing. Trump isn’t a traditional Republican in many ways, which is why is he does so well with certain demographics Republicans don’t usually do well with. I am not “just” blaming social media. But when politicians can say anything and not be held to account then we are in a dangerous world. It is even worse if they can be convicted of crimes and not face consequences, and then pardon themself from future cases, which is what Trump will no doubt do and is completely wrong regardless of who he is. The rule of law is the most fundamental principle in democracy. He owns the Supreme Court. There is no rule of law in the USA. No checks and balances. If politicians lost their jobs and were prohibited from holding public office ever again if they can be shown to have lied to their public, then they would be far more careful in how they communicate, both on and off social media. A regulator would help stop the appalling stuff from Dawn Butler about Badenoch, and Lammy’s humiliating historic tweets about Trump. |
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 6, 2024 15:13:51 GMT
Good job I'm not a gambling man. No Oatie Browny points for me.  Seriously, I don't give a fig for US domestic policies. Trump was democratically elected by the majority and they'll have to live with the consequences. What does bother me is that now Trump is at the helm, climate change will take a back seat and that will affect the whole world for centuries. Also, those who think Trump is remotely interested in a 'special relationship' with the UK can forget it. Those days are gone now Trump is in power. But where does that leave us? We've divorced ourselves from Europe and stand alone in the world. The EU is better off than us. As a collective, they have 500 million people to combat Trump. Then there's Ukraine. The EU and the rest of NATO will, somehow, have to try and plug the gap when Trump sells UKR out. I doubt we can do it without the US but we have no other choice. Maybe Biden has one ace still up his sleeve. Knowing he's out of power in a couple of months, he can give UKR permission to use those long range weapons to strike deep into Russia. That could turn the tide in their favour big style over the winter. It's not looking good for us. OS. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 6, 2024 15:14:03 GMT
There's been some very perceptive analysis over the last few hours but this is actually quite brilliant ... Tough night for Adam Sandler. I switched off at the point he suggested there are no economic issues because the S&P is at record highs. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 6, 2024 15:17:59 GMT
Good job I'm not a gambling man. No Oatie Browny points for me. Seriously, I don't give a fig for US domestic policies. Trump was democratically elected by the majority and they'll have to live with the consequences. What does bother me is that now Trump is at the helm, climate change will take a back seat and that will affect the whole world for centuries. Also, those who think Trump is remotely interested in a 'special relationship' with the UK can forget it. Those days are gone now Trump is in power. But where does that leave us? We've divorced ourselves from Europe and stand alone in the world. The EU is better off than us. As a collective, they have 500 million people to combat Trump. Then there's Ukraine. The EU and the rest of NATO will, somehow, have to try and plug the gap when Trump sells UKR out. I doubt we can do it without the US but we have no other choice. Maybe Biden has one ace still up his sleeve. Knowing he's out of power in a couple of months, he can give UKR permission to use those long range weapons to strike deep into Russia. That could turn the tide in their favour big style over the winter. It's not looking good for us. OS. Indeed. The only people Trump has a 'special relationship' with, is the ones he's personally indebted to. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 6, 2024 15:18:10 GMT
Wall Street record highs. I see Bayerns Pissy Fit this morning didn't impact the markets too much. Let's get business a'rollin Went up when Biden was elected too. It means nothing in terms of the real economy. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 15:19:19 GMT
There's been some very perceptive analysis over the last few hours but this is actually quite brilliant ... Everyone's fault bar Harris or the Democrats and with some good divisive, condescending and patronising words to go with it towards half of the population. And then next election if they lose it won't be Democrats fault or the candidates... it will be everyone else. Paul without using Google. What were the 5 policies which Harris had to make peoples lives better? Also find it funny that this guy talks about women as if he has some moral high ground. Bro your party is responsible for funding the death of 10s of thousands of women and children. You can't use that line to demean others. "Yeh I know I support someone supporting the murder of loads of women and kids. But hey I'm the good guy here because those guys hate women even more... according to me" If I was upset about how an election went and I wanted to ensure it didn't happen again. I'd speak to those who voted differently, try to understand their issues and try to find common ground. This guy seems to think hopping on his high horse and insulting people will suddenly make people go "oh fuck what a mistake I made. I really am so racist and hate women. I want to be a good person so I'm now a Democrat." Part of the problem not part of the solution. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 15:19:34 GMT
Media is regulated. Social media is not. Which makes one extremely dangerous. Every single commentator says the world is a more dangerous place today compared with yesterday. He is not just an unpleasant man. He is a convicted criminal and a serial liar. Most people who have ever worked for him have turned against him, which tells us something. He doesn’t understand many issues by all accounts. It is X factor politics. We need to ensure the same does not happen in our country. and what makes the commentators correct - most said the same in 2016. If he bargains an end to ukraine/israel people will still not like him and still try to attack him. All this helps the candidate he endorses in 2028 Its x factor commentry, they just dont like him. I will tell you about the integrity of Harris, its the same as trumps. she still has not conceded defeat She’s still screaming into her pillow, isn’t she? I guess we will have to wait and see. I predict Israel attack Iran’s nuclear infrastructure (something Biden told Israel not to do) and Trump selling the weapons that attack it. I predict us and the rest of the world having to pay a lot more to Ukraine to keep the threat of Russia down, with Trump trying to resolve it, failing, and so withdrawing aid and support. If Russia break through in Ukraine after US support dwindles, and NATO borders being tested, I am then worried about what happens. Perhaps Trump tries to get the rest of NATO to pay a load of money and he agrees then to stand up to Russia, or he withdraws from NATO and we have WW3. I really hope you are right and I am wrong. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 6, 2024 15:21:05 GMT
Media is regulated. Social media is not. Which makes one extremely dangerous. Every single commentator says the world is a more dangerous place today compared with yesterday. He is not just an unpleasant man. He is a convicted criminal and a serial liar. Most people who have ever worked for him have turned against him, which tells us something. He doesn’t understand many issues by all accounts. It is X factor politics. We need to ensure the same does not happen in our country. and what makes the commentators correct - most said the same in 2016. If he bargains an end to ukraine/israel people will still not like him and still try to attack him. All this helps the candidate he endorses in 2028 Its x factor commentry, they just dont like him. I will tell you about the integrity of Harris, its the same as trumps. she still has not conceded defeat Makes you wonder what Trump would have been up to at this point if he had lost? He had already stated that he wouldn't be accepting defeat, wonder what he had planned? |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 6, 2024 15:26:33 GMT
there is truth in that so the liberals have to do better - we like, just your post above point our fingers at the trump and farage instead of solving the actual problem the liberal/left politicians need to ask what are they doing wrong, what are we doing pushing people to trump/brecit/farage etc - they dont they carry on the same with no consequence until trump, farage, boris and brexit win. It seems the liberal left want more control over the people which is somewhat ironic, then blame the public when they decide to vote differently If you look at the definition of the term 'liberal', and compare that to the behaviours of those that seem themselves to be liberal, you could easily argue there needs to be a new or alternative term introduced that actually reflects their behaviour and attitude. I thought 'liberal' was now applied mostly as a derogatory term used by those who used to use 'commie' or 'a red' until those one's got tired. The politics of language etc. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2024 15:30:57 GMT
Good job I'm not a gambling man. No Oatie Browny points for me. Seriously, I don't give a fig for US domestic policies. Trump was democratically elected by the majority and they'll have to live with the consequences. What does bother me is that now Trump is at the helm, climate change will take a back seat and that will affect the whole world for centuries. Also, those who think Trump is remotely interested in a 'special relationship' with the UK can forget it. Those days are gone now Trump is in power. But where does that leave us? We've divorced ourselves from Europe and stand alone in the world. The EU is better off than us. As a collective, they have 500 million people to combat Trump. Then there's Ukraine. The EU and the rest of NATO will, somehow, have to try and plug the gap when Trump sells UKR out. I doubt we can do it without the US but we have no other choice. Maybe Biden has one ace still up his sleeve. Knowing he's out of power in a couple of months, he can give UKR permission to use those long range weapons to strike deep into Russia. That could turn the tide in their favour big style over the winter. It's not looking good for us. OS. whilst you have labour opposition MP's using their unregulated twitter accounts to slag off trump just to gain popularity amongst their support is it any wonder that relationship may now be strained now they are government ministers and trump will be president again support has to be cultivated on both sides, i dont give a fuck about private views but they did noone any good service airing them on unregulated social media, they now look foolish and trump may well think why should i bother with them just a thought |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2024 15:32:56 GMT
and what makes the commentators correct - most said the same in 2016. If he bargains an end to ukraine/israel people will still not like him and still try to attack him. All this helps the candidate he endorses in 2028 Its x factor commentry, they just dont like him. I will tell you about the integrity of Harris, its the same as trumps. she still has not conceded defeat She’s still screaming into her pillow, isn’t she? I guess we will have to wait and see. I predict Israel attack Iran’s nuclear infrastructure (something Biden told Israel not to do) and Trump selling the weapons that attack it. I predict us and the rest of the world having to pay a lot more to Ukraine to keep the threat of Russia down, with Trump trying to resolve it, failing, and so withdrawing aid and support. If Russia break through in Ukraine after US support dwindles, and NATO borders being tested, I am then worried about what happens. Perhaps Trump tries to get the rest of NATO to pay a load of money and he agrees then to stand up to Russia, or he withdraws from NATO and we have WW3. I really hope you are right and I am wrong. well the anti-trump mob were wrong in 2016  |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2024 15:34:10 GMT
and what makes the commentators correct - most said the same in 2016. If he bargains an end to ukraine/israel people will still not like him and still try to attack him. All this helps the candidate he endorses in 2028 Its x factor commentry, they just dont like him. I will tell you about the integrity of Harris, its the same as trumps. she still has not conceded defeat Makes you wonder what Trump would have been up to at this point if he had lost? He had already stated that he wouldn't be accepting defeat, wonder what he had planned? oh there would be repercussions, im not saying he is a good man but all im hearing is whataboutery - the dems/liberals portray themselves as better and more moral than trump. im not seeing any of it |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 15:39:23 GMT
Makes you wonder what Trump would have been up to at this point if he had lost? He had already stated that he wouldn't be accepting defeat, wonder what he had planned? oh there would be repercussions, im not saying he is a good man but all im hearing is whataboutery - the dems/liberals portray themselves as better and more moral than trump. im not seeing any of it Unless they incite a riot and storm the Capitol, and then she gets convicted of sexual abuse but is too much of a coward to ever face justice, they are better and more moral. She doesn’t need to publicly concede. She knows she has lost. It doesn’t require public declaration. Only Trump is the sore loser. Edit: she is giving a speech about the defeat at 11pm our time. Will Trump admit he lost the previous election before she admits she lost this one I wonder!? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 6, 2024 15:44:13 GMT
There's been some very perceptive analysis over the last few hours but this is actually quite brilliant ... Says more about Harris than Trump who came nowhere near |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2024 15:47:33 GMT
3 million votes lost by Trump.
15 million votes lost by Harris.
Don't take voters for granted. You'd have thought that's a lesson Jonathan Ashworth could have shared with them on his little campaigning trip. But then even that egotistical narcissist still hasn't come to terms with his loss and still puts it down to intimidation or some other fantasy bullshit.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2024 15:48:02 GMT
oh there would be repercussions, im not saying he is a good man but all im hearing is whataboutery - the dems/liberals portray themselves as better and more moral than trump. im not seeing any of it Unless they incite a riot and storm the Capitol, and then she gets convicted of sexual abuse but is too much of a coward to ever face justice, they are better and more moral. She doesn’t need to publicly concede. She knows she has lost. It doesn’t require public declaration. Only Trump is the sore loser. Edit: she is giving a speech about the defeat at 11pm our time. Will Trump admit he lost the previous election before she admits she lost this one I wonder!? whatabouterey two wrongs dont make a right |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 6, 2024 15:48:30 GMT
There's been some very perceptive analysis over the last few hours but this is actually quite brilliant ... Everyone's fault bar Harris or the Democrats and with some good divisive, condescending and patronising words to go with it towards half of the population. And then next election if they lose it won't be Democrats fault or the candidates... it will be everyone else. Paul without using Google. What were the 5 policies which Harris had to make peoples lives better? Also find it funny that this guy talks about women as if he has some moral high ground. Bro your party is responsible for funding the death of 10s of thousands of women and children. You can't use that line to demean others. "Yeh I know I support someone supporting the murder of loads of women and kids. But hey I'm the good guy here because those guys hate women even more... according to me" If I was upset about how an election went and I wanted to ensure it didn't happen again. I'd speak to those who voted differently, try to understand their issues and try to find common ground. This guy seems to think hopping on his high horse and insulting people will suddenly make people go "oh fuck what a mistake I made. I really am so racist and hate women. I want to be a good person so I'm now a Democrat." Part of the problem not part of the solution. I think you've completely missed his point mate. That being, there ISN'T any common ground to actually be had, people just aren't interested, as I said in reply to the Blakeley tweet, people don't want to hear the truth. They're not interested in any meaningful leadership, they simply want somebody to entertain them and to tell them that it's ok to blame their woes on somebody else. It's exactly the same as Farage, people have seen with their own eyes the damage that Brexit has caused, yet they STILL see him as some sort of Messiah. MAGA and Reform are two sides of the same coin. We now live in a post truth age, where politics has been reduced to the level of celebrity on a prime time talent show. I said right from day one that Harris was a terrible candidate but that didn't mean that I (or indeed you) shouldn't have wanted her to win. If Kermit the frog had been the Democratic candidate, then we still should have backed the frog. Trump becoming president is disastrous for America, for us, for Palestine and for Ukraine. I read your replies earlier suggesting that you didn't want Harris to win because of the democrats' record in Israel. With respect, I think that's a bit of a cop out if I'm honest. The plight of the Palestinians isn't going to improve as a result of her losing and yet so many other things in the World are about to get much, much worse. This is just on the economy, before we even mention anything else ... |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 6, 2024 15:52:54 GMT
If Kamala Harris has any sense of fun, she’ll be making plans to storm the Capitol building.
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Post by musik on Nov 6, 2024 15:57:41 GMT
If Kamala Harris has any sense of fun, she’ll be making plans to storm the Capitol building. Yes. Or Trump, which is what they speculate about here since he said early on the Election and the votes were fake this time (as well). |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 16:05:22 GMT
Unless they incite a riot and storm the Capitol, and then she gets convicted of sexual abuse but is too much of a coward to ever face justice, they are better and more moral. She doesn’t need to publicly concede. She knows she has lost. It doesn’t require public declaration. Only Trump is the sore loser. Edit: she is giving a speech about the defeat at 11pm our time. Will Trump admit he lost the previous election before she admits she lost this one I wonder!? whatabouterey two wrongs dont make a right Of course it is whataboutary!? How do you compare two things otherwise? You said they have the same morals, I pointed out where you are wrong? Trump is far more immoral. But let’s see. Will Harris incite her supporters to storm the Capitol in her speech tonight or will she do the morally correct thing and congratulate Trump on his win. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 6, 2024 16:30:53 GMT
If Kamala Harris has any sense of fun, she’ll be making plans to storm the Capitol building. No she shouldn't. Biden should, as he has partial immunity for "presidential acts". |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2024 16:39:35 GMT
The only age group kamala did not win was 45-64 (45% - 53% in favour of trump)
This age group is in the main your middle class workers, maybe teenage kids, mortgaged got through great 20s of youth, 30s hard graft estabilshing careers and families. - These are the people like in this country who seem to be ignored and undervalued by the politicians all the time
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Nov 6, 2024 16:39:45 GMT
Not if it means voting for another centrist who promises change and delivers nothing. That trick has run its course for most of the actual left wing. As for media being regulated that really depends on who you ask. Wasn't so long ago that the broadcaster paid for by our taxes was: - "Mistakengly" showing historical footage of Boris laying a wreath during a live remembrance broadcast because he laid it disrespectfully. - Or "accidently" photoshopping pictures of Jeremy Corbyn dressed in Russian attire on state broadcasts in build up to election. - or editing interviews by political candidates to show answers to completely different questions asked to mislead the population - www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38666914So you can't just blame social media. Let's not forget the sun getting all cosy with Mr Starmer and then he decides not to do leveson 2 after getting their support. So I'd argue it very much isn't regulated. And when a regulator does find they've done something wrong. The apology usually is hidden in a corner and gets 5% of the views which the fake news they reported initially got. Well done for digging up some examples of the media getting it wrong. I bet anything you like in the few seconds it takes me to write out this message there have been thousands of posts across all social medias which contain lies which won’t be corrected at all. The two are not comparable in any way. Arguing that we should have had Leveson 2, but social media is fine doesn’t make sense. There was no left wing candidate in the US election. There was no left wing candidate in the UK election (perhaps the Greens, and to some extent the SNP). You are believing the rubbish Trump (and some tories) say about the far left democrats/labour. Labour were left wing under Corbyn. For the majority of my life they have been more centrist, certainly since 1997 (I don’t have enough knowledge about pre Blair labour to comment further back). This isn’t a left v right thing. Trump isn’t a traditional Republican in many ways, which is why is he does so well with certain demographics Republicans don’t usually do well with. I am not “just” blaming social media. But when politicians can say anything and not be held to account then we are in a dangerous world. It is even worse if they can be convicted of crimes and not face consequences, and then pardon themself from future cases, which is what Trump will no doubt do and is completely wrong regardless of who he is. The rule of law is the most fundamental principle in democracy. He owns the Supreme Court. There is no rule of law in the USA. No checks and balances. If politicians lost their jobs and were prohibited from holding public office ever again if they can be shown to have lied to their public, then they would be far more careful in how they communicate, both on and off social media. A regulator would help stop the appalling stuff from Dawn Butler about Badenoch, and Lammy’s humiliating historic tweets about Trump. Interesting post! On your point about no real left wing candidates.. I'd categorize Harris as Obama administration part 4. Probably not very left wing in a traditional sense but very progressive on social politics. I feel like conflating social and economic policies makes the whole left right thing a bit redundant sometimes |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2024 16:53:10 GMT
The only age group kamala did not win was 45-64 (45% - 53% in favour of trump) This age group is in the main your middle class workers, maybe teenage kids, mortgaged got through great 20s of youth, 30s hard graft estabilshing careers and families. - These are the people like in this country who seem to be ignored and undervalued by the politicians all the time Is that really true!? She won every single age group but that one? It seems extraordinary given she lost heavily. I don’t understand how the maths can add up like that. Also, every group says they are undervalued and ignored by politicians. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 6, 2024 17:02:05 GMT
Good job I'm not a gambling man. No Oatie Browny points for me. Seriously, I don't give a fig for US domestic policies. Trump was democratically elected by the majority and they'll have to live with the consequences. What does bother me is that now Trump is at the helm, climate change will take a back seat and that will affect the whole world for centuries. Also, those who think Trump is remotely interested in a 'special relationship' with the UK can forget it. Those days are gone now Trump is in power. But where does that leave us? We've divorced ourselves from Europe and stand alone in the world. The EU is better off than us. As a collective, they have 500 million people to combat Trump. Then there's Ukraine. The EU and the rest of NATO will, somehow, have to try and plug the gap when Trump sells UKR out. I doubt we can do it without the US but we have no other choice. Maybe Biden has one ace still up his sleeve. Knowing he's out of power in a couple of months, he can give UKR permission to use those long range weapons to strike deep into Russia. That could turn the tide in their favour big style over the winter. It's not looking good for us. OS. I honestly think that the Ukraine War will be over within 12 months now and Middle Eastern conflict will follow suit. Edit: to clarify, I think Russia will pull out now. |
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 6, 2024 17:13:52 GMT
I don't necessarily think Trump will force complete capitulation from Ukraine. Territory loss is inevitable at this point imo but you have to view things through Trump's egotistical head - he will be very keen to be seen to do a good deal and avoid the sort of debacle that occurred withdrawing from Afghanistan during Biden's presidency.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 6, 2024 17:23:00 GMT
There's been some very perceptive analysis over the last few hours but this is actually quite brilliant ... He's absolutely spot on. I simply cannot believe that he's been voted in. Simpletons. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2024 17:29:16 GMT
Does anyone disagree with Pie
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