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Post by stokieinlondon on Nov 2, 2024 23:25:24 GMT
His is the last touch so it’ll his, it’s 80% Gibsons fault though if not more I think it was 80% Viktor’s fault. He came for the ball and it was never his ball. This one is on the keeper. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 2, 2024 23:28:58 GMT
Comical but shit happens.
Mixed opinions on who was to blame I see, if Bonham had done that the general consensus would have totally been that he was at fault.
Johansson was hasty and we were punished, but other than that incident he was excellent and no harm was done in the end.......
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Post by musik on Nov 2, 2024 23:33:41 GMT
It's on the keeper,absolutely ridiculous that people are blaming Gibson. Yepp. He was out of position. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 2, 2024 23:57:50 GMT
I always thought an own goal was when a defending player put the ball in the net that wouldn't of gone in unless their touch made the ball go into back of the net. Yeah exactly, that’s usually the criterion. But it’s obviously different when the penultimate touch was from your own player cos otherwise that would go down as Gibson’s |
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Post by turtlefox on Nov 3, 2024 1:09:26 GMT
Gibson shouldn't have headed back, although he was under pressure. but Johansson could see everything that was going on. Why he was so far left and forward is anyone's guess. He should have been more central. You can't come out that far thinking that everyone is going to miss it. He must have just misjudged the ball in, but it's still more his fault than Gibson's.
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Post by monsoonmoon on Nov 4, 2024 11:51:23 GMT
60% on Viktor for his horrendous positioning and not calling it.
30% on Gibson for directing between the sticks and not checking.
10% on Stevens who can see both and talk to both.
Vik’s got plenty of credit in the bank, though, and will win us more points than he loses us over the season.
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Post by mcw on Nov 4, 2024 11:58:03 GMT
If you watch the GK he was coming out to his left where he thought the cross was heading. Then the defender headed the ball back to where he expected the GK to be so 50/50 but who cares we won. UTMFP Not sure what the hell Victor saw to make him dart to his left. The only possible thing I can think is that he thought Gibson wasn’t going to get anything on the ball which may have led to a Derby player getting the ball somewhere on the edge of the box to his left. Not Gibson’s fault as you’d expect your keeper to be at home. Hopefully a once in a season oddity fuck up. |
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Post by walrus on Nov 4, 2024 12:19:24 GMT
If you watch the GK he was coming out to his left where he thought the cross was heading. Then the defender headed the ball back to where he expected the GK to be so 50/50 but who cares we won. UTMFP Not sure what the hell Victor saw to make him dart to his left. The only possible thing I can think is that he thought Gibson wasn’t going to get anything on the ball which may have led to a Derby player getting the ball somewhere on the edge of the box to his left. Not Gibson’s fault as you’d expect your keeper to be at home. Hopefully a once in a season oddity fuck up. I think Johansson was simply trying to dominate his area and come and claim the cross but just made a huge error of judgment. He’s a very positive goalkeeper which is usually great to see but that cross was never one that the keeper needed to come for. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Nov 4, 2024 12:22:54 GMT
60% on Viktor for his horrendous positioning and not calling it. 30% on Gibson for directing between the sticks and not checking. 10% on Stevens who can see both and talk to both. Vik’s got plenty of credit in the bank, though, and will win us more points than he loses us over the season. Bit harsh on Stevens that 😂😂 He’s got a split second to shout what? “Stay at home Vik while Gibbo nods it back”? All he can shout is “away” or “head home”, neither of which solve the lack of communication between the two of them |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 4, 2024 13:05:55 GMT
60% on Viktor for his horrendous positioning and not calling it. 30% on Gibson for directing between the sticks and not checking. 10% on Stevens who can see both and talk to both. Vik’s got plenty of credit in the bank, though, and will win us more points than he loses us over the season. Jesus wept. Why not 5% for the manager for picking them? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 4, 2024 13:14:18 GMT
60% on Viktor for his horrendous positioning and not calling it. 30% on Gibson for directing between the sticks and not checking. 10% on Stevens who can see both and talk to both. Vik’s got plenty of credit in the bank, though, and will win us more points than he loses us over the season. Jesus wept. Why not 5% for the manager for picking them? I'll put my hands up to 1% if it helps. |
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Post by onionman on Nov 4, 2024 13:39:23 GMT
Jesus wept. Why not 5% for the manager for picking them? I'll put my hands up to 1% if it helps. Can’t believe Ben Wilmot is getting away scot free. |
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Post by tqstokie on Nov 4, 2024 13:42:41 GMT
IMHO 100% Gisons fault. Should have headed the ball away not guess where the goalkeeper was. He was trying to be too clever.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 4, 2024 14:02:18 GMT
I'll put my hands up to 1% if it helps. Can’t believe Ben Wilmot is getting away scot free. I blame Kitson. |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Nov 4, 2024 14:11:39 GMT
60% on Viktor for his horrendous positioning and not calling it. 30% on Gibson for directing between the sticks and not checking. 10% on Stevens who can see both and talk to both. Vik’s got plenty of credit in the bank, though, and will win us more points than he loses us over the season. Bit harsh on Stevens that 😂😂 He’s got a split second to shout what? “Stay at home Vik while Gibbo nods it back”? All he can shout is “away” or “head home”, neither of which solve the lack of communication between the two of them “Away” absolutely solves the situation. Gibson’s talking to Stevens immediately after too so suspect there was something said between the two. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 4, 2024 14:50:51 GMT
It may have been Vics fault,but in the end it didn't cost us any pts,where as he's saved us quite a few pts this season.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Nov 4, 2024 15:03:49 GMT
Watched it several times now, what a fuck up.
For my two penneth, Viktor makes a bizarre bolt for the John Smith's stand for no reason whatsoever.
Had he ordered a pie?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 4, 2024 16:45:59 GMT
I see your point, don’t know really how they come to these decisions. I’m sure someone with a greater knowledge will tell us It goes down as a Viktor own goal because his attempt actually changed the direction of the ball away from the goal line until it hit the inside of the post and went in But if that happens when the ball is headed by an attacker, why doesn’t that go as an own goal or does it? You could argue that all goals where the goalkeeper touches the ball before it goes in and and changes the direction of the ball are own goals! |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 4, 2024 16:50:20 GMT
Watched it several times now, what a fuck up. For my two penneth, Viktor makes a bizarre bolt for the John Smith's stand for no reason whatsoever. Had he ordered a pie? Unfortunately Bayern has decreed that it was Gibson’s fault. Here endeth the lesson. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Nov 4, 2024 16:55:01 GMT
Watched it several times now, what a fuck up. For my two penneth, Viktor makes a bizarre bolt for the John Smith's stand for no reason whatsoever. Had he ordered a pie? Unfortunately Bayern has decreed that it was Gibson’s fault. Here endeth the lesson. I wouldn't know mate, I blocked him and his understudy a while back. I would recommend it, same feeling I had when I paid my mortgage off. |
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Post by stokiekm on Nov 4, 2024 18:21:24 GMT
Completely on Gibson,you don't head back to the keeper unless you know where he is. Come off it man,where the fuck was the keeper standing? he was nowhere near where should have been. I think you'll find that vik said 'my bad' when in the back of the goal. No way can you apportion 80% to gibson |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 4, 2024 18:37:43 GMT
Watched it several times now, what a fuck up. For my two penneth, Viktor makes a bizarre bolt for the John Smith's stand for no reason whatsoever. Had he ordered a pie? Unfortunately Bayern has decreed that it was Gibson’s fault. Here endeth the lesson. Bit like how the Oracle also decreed (despite video evidence to the contrary) that Cannon kicked the keeper and dived for the penno. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 4, 2024 18:46:05 GMT
I love this thread. Amazing how people watching the same thing can see it so differently.
The beauty of football.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 4, 2024 18:52:34 GMT
Watched it several times now, what a fuck up. For my two penneth, Viktor makes a bizarre bolt for the John Smith's stand for no reason whatsoever. Had he ordered a pie? He was pre-empting where the ball was going until Ben headed it. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 4, 2024 18:53:36 GMT
IMHO 100% Gisons fault. Should have headed the ball away not guess where the goalkeeper was. He was trying to be too clever. That's cobblers mate. It's the kind of header that defenders make week in and week out and in all those cases it bounces harmlessly into the keepers arms. That is unless their mental keeper hasn't dashed off to the John Smiths for a piss just at the vital moment. Gibson had every right to expect Viktor to be there or thereabouts when he headed it back and his comment to Stevens 'Where was he going?' or 'what was he doing?' emphasises this. But what clinches it for me is the way Viktor lay in the goal and shamefacedly put his hand up virtually admitting his guilt. Do you really think a keeper as mental as Vik would hve just shrugged it off if he'd called for it and Gibson had ignored him? By the way for the avoidance of doubt I really rate Viktor as the best keeper we've had since Bego/early Butland. But he's made a fuck up here. It happens. He's got plenty in the bank and it didn't matter in the end so let's move on. |
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Post by onionman on Nov 4, 2024 19:26:37 GMT
If Viktor was genuinely going for a piss, he should have waited until full-time. If he was going for a pie, that's more understandable.
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Post by madnellie on Nov 4, 2024 19:44:30 GMT
Jesus wept. Why not 5% for the manager for picking them? I'll put my hands up to 1% if it helps. Now it adds up wrong, though *eye rolly thing* |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 4, 2024 19:54:23 GMT
If Viktor was genuinely going for a piss, he should have waited until full-time. If he was going for a pie, that's more understandable. Does he not know the old adage? If your bladder groans Or your tummy rumbles A pie or a piss'll Have to wait for the whistle Sort of thing you teach kids |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 4, 2024 20:12:09 GMT
I'll put my hands up to 1% if it helps. Now it adds up wrong, though *eye rolly thing* Have you never heard of giving 106%? |
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Post by tqstokie on Nov 4, 2024 21:11:46 GMT
IMHO 100% Gisons fault. Should have headed the ball away not guess where the goalkeeper was. He was trying to be too clever. That's cobblers mate. It's the kind of header that defenders make week in and week out and in all those cases it bounces harmlessly into the keepers arms. That is unless their mental keeper hasn't dashed off to the John Smiths for a piss just at the vital moment. Gibson had every right to expect Viktor to be there or thereabouts when he headed it back and his comment to Stevens 'Where was he going?' or 'what was he doing?' emphasises this. But what clinches it for me is the way Viktor lay in the goal and shamefacedly put his hand up virtually admitting his guilt. Do you really think a keeper as mental as Vik would hve just shrugged it off if he'd called for it and Gibson had ignored him? By the way for the avoidance of doubt I really rate Viktor as the best keeper we've had since Bego/early Butland. But he's made a fuck up here. It happens. He's got plenty in the bank and it didn't matter in the end so let's move on. Well I beg to differ it is the defenders responsibility to head the ball out of the danger area, not to assume the goalkeeper is in position. I haven't seen many headers like that this season never mind week in and week out. Absolute stupidity IMO. |
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