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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 2, 2024 20:01:22 GMT
We aren’t in the old days and the keeper is very much part of the 11, Viktor especially as he’s good with ball at his feet. As good as he is, he’s gifted the opposition 2 goals in 2 weeks. Bonham does that today and he’s slaughtered. He's not that good imo,loves a save for the cameras,would have preferred Travers back. Travers was decent but to say that Viktor isn't that good is just absolute bollocks. God forbid he saves some shots which is something our keepers have struggled with since we've gone down. FullerMagic posted this last week, it shows that Viktor is one of the best keepers in the league. I know these advanced metrics aren't for everyone, but it's amazing how well he's coming out in these goals prevented stats. Given how many chances we're allowing, we've got to hope he keeps it up! Over 6 goals saved- 2 goals more than the keeper they have in third place in the division.  |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 2, 2024 20:01:39 GMT
50-50
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2024 20:08:15 GMT
He's not that good imo,loves a save for the cameras,would have preferred Travers back. Travers was decent but to say that Viktor isn't that good is just absolute bollocks. God forbid he saves some shots which is something our keepers have struggled with since we've gone down. FullerMagic posted this last week, it shows that Viktor is one of the best keepers in the league. I know these advanced metrics aren't for everyone, but it's amazing how well he's coming out in these goals prevented stats. Given how many chances we're allowing, we've got to hope he keeps it up! Over 6 goals saved- 2 goals more than the keeper they have in third place in the division. It's just my opinion mate,it certainly isn't absolute bollocks. Just a bit of context,I thought Travers was our best keeper since relegation,I'd probably just choose Iversen next(and he was average at best to start with) with Johansson next. |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2024 20:10:28 GMT
He's not that good imo,loves a save for the cameras,would have preferred Travers back. Fair to say there is no way Travers makes that mistake today, mainly because he was glued to his line. Viktor will definitely make more mistakes than Travers but he’ll also win us more points, as he’s done already this season. Not sure how you've worked that out  |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 2, 2024 20:14:25 GMT
Travers was decent but to say that Viktor isn't that good is just absolute bollocks. God forbid he saves some shots which is something our keepers have struggled with since we've gone down. FullerMagic posted this last week, it shows that Viktor is one of the best keepers in the league. It's just my opinion mate,it certainly isn't absolute bollocks. Just a bit of context,I thought Travers was our best keeper since relegation,I'd probably just choose Iversen next(and he was average at best to start with) with Johansson next. The stats that I've just provided prove that the statement of "he isn't that good" is bollocks though. Just because you think he isn't as good as Travers and Iversen doesn't mean that he's isn't that good either. |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2024 20:18:19 GMT
It's just my opinion mate,it certainly isn't absolute bollocks. Just a bit of context,I thought Travers was our best keeper since relegation,I'd probably just choose Iversen next(and he was average at best to start with) with Johansson next. The stats that I've just provided prove that the statement of "he isn't that good" is bollocks though. Just because you think he isn't as good as Travers and Iversen doesn't mean that he's isn't that good either. They don't prove anything,is just a table of numbers,we've already had disagreements on this thread about whose fault the Derby goal was,where does that fit in your table. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 2, 2024 20:21:09 GMT
Don’t get how that’s gone down as Viktor’s og? Surely if the header had been from a Derby player it would’ve been his goal? True. Perhaps OG's are different and they always get chalked up to the last player to touch it? |
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 2, 2024 20:32:27 GMT
Both Johansson and Gibson were at fault for the goal.
99% on Gibson…
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Post by moon on Nov 2, 2024 20:36:08 GMT
Both at fault for me, but who cares, we won, and they will learn from it
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Post by ed5993 on Nov 2, 2024 20:38:46 GMT
Absolutely wild that people are laying blame at Gibson for the goal. There is absolutely no reason why Johansson should have even considered coming for that. The ball wasn't going in to the box. Maybe Johansson called etc, but that's still a terrible decision.
Agree that Gibson hasn't been the stabilising force we required this season, but you've got to look at the keeper for that goal today.
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Post by lordb on Nov 2, 2024 20:41:03 GMT
If Vic called for it then that changes it
I'm just not seeing that at all though
Why would he be in the position he was if he's called for it?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 2, 2024 20:47:15 GMT
Travers was decent but to say that Viktor isn't that good is just absolute bollocks. God forbid he saves some shots which is something our keepers have struggled with since we've gone down. FullerMagic posted this last week, it shows that Viktor is one of the best keepers in the league. It's just my opinion mate,it certainly isn't absolute bollocks. Just a bit of context,I thought Travers was our best keeper since relegation,I'd probably just choose Iversen next(and he was average at best to start with) with Johansson next. Travers was always rooted to his line, had no major issues with him but you’ll always make less “howlers” when you play it safe like that….. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Nov 2, 2024 20:58:47 GMT
If Vic called for it then that changes it I'm just not seeing that at all though Why would he be in the position he was if he's called for it? My thoughts too,he was tracking the line of the ball as if anticipating both players to miss it/leave it? |
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 2, 2024 20:59:00 GMT
Yes, I agree that Vik really IS an original gangster.
Oh...you mean own goal?
Everybody has a mistake in them, glad he got it out of the way today in a win for us.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Nov 2, 2024 20:59:50 GMT
His is the last touch so it’ll his, it’s 80% Gibsons fault though if not more 6 of one and half a dozen the other for me. It was one of those once a season moments of madness Other than it being Gibsons 2nd in a week I agree |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 2, 2024 20:59:51 GMT
The stats that I've just provided prove that the statement of "he isn't that good" is bollocks though. Just because you think he isn't as good as Travers and Iversen doesn't mean that he's isn't that good either. They don't prove anything,is just a table of numbers,we've already had disagreements on this thread about whose fault the Derby goal was,where does that fit in your table. "Is just a table of numbers".. bloody hell fire man 😂 It shows that based on those stats that he's the best keeper in the league and proves that your statement of "he's not that good" is bollocks. I even said when I posted that table what it showed so you're not even reading my posts now. Both Viktor and Gibson were at fault for the goal. However, that once again doesn't mean that "he isn't that good" because that statement is bollocks. I'll leave it at now because it's clear you're not going to change your mind which is fine. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 2, 2024 21:04:18 GMT
Exactly. Just a cock-up in communication. Vik shouldn’t have come like that without making it totally clear and Gibbo shouldn’t be heading it towards goal when he can’t see where his goalie is. No need to apportion more blame to one or the other - I’m sure they agree with that. |
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 2, 2024 21:05:06 GMT
As good as he is it’s on the keeper. I actually thought he got a good hand to it. He’ll be disappointed he didn’t keep that out.
Still we won the game and he has much credit in the bank
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 2, 2024 21:11:11 GMT
Live I thought it was Gibson's fault.
Having seen it back now I'd say 90% Viktor. The ball is well outside the penalty area. He has no need to be coming for that. If it was 10 yards further forward I'd get it.
Felt for Gibson as thought it was a perfectly normal action and he can't expect the keeper to be where he was (even though Johansson is a very proactive keeper).
Glad Gibson got the winner (as often seems to happen when someone scores a og) as fans on here would be piling in on him. They probably are anyway.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 2, 2024 21:12:52 GMT
Exactly. Just a cock-up in communication. Vik shouldn’t have come like that without making it totally clear and Gibbo shouldn’t be heading it towards goal when he can’t see where his goalie is. No need to apportion more blame to one or the other - I’m sure they agree with that. Judging from Gibsons reaction I think he’d be inclined to blame Vik a bit more. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2024 21:18:24 GMT
It's on the keeper,absolutely ridiculous that people are blaming Gibson. Why? You teach 5 year olds not to pass it back on target. It’s fucking shit defending. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 2, 2024 21:27:05 GMT
Exactly. Just a cock-up in communication. Vik shouldn’t have come like that without making it totally clear and Gibbo shouldn’t be heading it towards goal when he can’t see where his goalie is. No need to apportion more blame to one or the other - I’m sure they agree with that. Judging from Gibsons reaction I think he’d be inclined to blame Vik a bit more. In the moment, sure, but I’d wager they talked it through afterwards and agreed neither covered himself in glory |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2024 21:30:12 GMT
They don't prove anything,is just a table of numbers,we've already had disagreements on this thread about whose fault the Derby goal was,where does that fit in your table. "Is just a table of numbers".. bloody hell fire man 😂 It shows that based on those stats that he's the best keeper in the league and proves that your statement of "he's not that good" is bollocks. I even said when I posted that table what it showed so you're not even reading my posts now. Both Viktor and Gibson were at fault for the goal. However, that once again doesn't mean that "he isn't that good" because that statement is bollocks. I'll leave it at now because it's clear you're not going to change your mind which is fine. My point all along has been that your table is just an opinionated bunch of numbers which I've proved by questioning whose fault the Derby goal was today. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 2, 2024 21:42:29 GMT
Live I thought it was Gibson's fault. Having seen it back now I'd say 90% Viktor. The ball is well outside the penalty area. He has no need to be coming for that. If it was 10 yards further forward I'd get it. Felt for Gibson as thought it was a perfectly normal action and he can't expect the keeper to be where he was (even though Johansson is a very proactive keeper). Glad Gibson got the winner (as often seems to happen when someone scores a og) as fans on here would be piling in on him. They probably are anyway. My thoughts exactly |
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Post by a on Nov 2, 2024 21:57:16 GMT
I see your point, don’t know really how they come to these decisions. I’m sure someone with a greater knowledge will tell us It goes down as a Viktor own goal because his attempt actually changed the direction of the ball away from the goal line until it hit the inside of the post and went in Irrelevant if it was on target to begin with I think |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 2, 2024 21:57:19 GMT
"Is just a table of numbers".. bloody hell fire man 😂 It shows that based on those stats that he's the best keeper in the league and proves that your statement of "he's not that good" is bollocks. I even said when I posted that table what it showed so you're not even reading my posts now. Both Viktor and Gibson were at fault for the goal. However, that once again doesn't mean that "he isn't that good" because that statement is bollocks. I'll leave it at now because it's clear you're not going to change your mind which is fine. My point all along has been that your table is just an opinionated bunch of numbers which I've proved by questioning whose fault the Derby goal was today. Statistics aren't "an opinionated bunch of numbers". You haven't proven anything. |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2024 22:07:38 GMT
My point all along has been that your table is just an opinionated bunch of numbers which I've proved by questioning whose fault the Derby goal was today. Statistics aren't "an opinionated bunch of numbers". You haven't proven anything. How does today's goal stack up with the table you showed,will it not affect Johansson's postion or for someone(like me) who thought he was at fault,will it affect his stats negatively,hence it's not as cut and dried as you think. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Nov 2, 2024 22:10:46 GMT
Johansson’s OG because he re-directed the ball by slapping it onto the post and then into the goal.
Whose fault? I’m probably saying Viktor’s. He didn’t need to have come so far off his line for a header Gibson was always going to win. Should have been a comfortable nod home for Gibson.
That said, I am a centre half so would always side with Gibson 😂
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Post by paulkoz on Nov 2, 2024 22:19:59 GMT
I always thought an own goal was when a defending player put the ball in the net that wouldn't of gone in unless their touch made the ball go into back of the net.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 2, 2024 23:22:33 GMT
Statistics aren't "an opinionated bunch of numbers". You haven't proven anything. How does today's goal stack up with the table you showed,will it not affect Johansson's postion or for someone(like me) who thought he was at fault,will it affect his stats negatively,hence it's not as cut and dried as you think. I think that's a good point mate. But also Johanssen has done a ton of great saves that got us points. + and - to his style but I like him. |
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