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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 31, 2024 20:25:25 GMT
From what I can see only one person reported hearing it, the said Twitter post is on the Souttar and Campbell thread. The lady who posted it replies to one of the comments on the post saying that “he has been reported now” which would imply it was just one person singing it. Mountain out of a molehill comes to mind. Seems like social media strikes again and drags the people of Stokes name through the mud at the same time That was always case, even if it was fifty people singing it. Whoever it was that heard it could have just reported the incident to the stewards and then the club after the game and let them deal with it. Instead they chose the social media route, dragging our fanbase through the mud and probably putting Tyrese through a load more stress too. |
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Post by fraybentos on Oct 31, 2024 20:26:54 GMT
worst which I heard that was sung, was a lazy bast***, didnt hear anything like which is being reported. false news, im afraid.
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 31, 2024 20:43:23 GMT
We were sat towards the front to the right near the main stand and we never heard this alleged chant either. We went to the concourse to get some food prior to kick off and two morons were trying to start a different anti Campbell chant which no one joined in with. During the game he was booed with every touch and got called a “wanker” which was disappointing but not tragedy chanting.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 31, 2024 21:00:37 GMT
I was there and I never heard this. If this was actually started then it would have been loudly booed and shouted down. After the game there was nothing mentioned from other supporters.
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Post by stokiekm on Oct 31, 2024 21:11:55 GMT
Whilst I agree in general with what you say I dont agree with the measures that you want to adopt to punish them. They should not be banned for life. They should not be hounded out of employment and income. If you want to discipline them then a season long ban would be plenty for them to learn their lesson. Can I ask why you don't think tragedy chanting deserves a lifetime ban? If not this, what does? |
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Post by milton58 on Oct 31, 2024 21:13:59 GMT
This singing chanting would be all over social media in this day and age....no one seen anything so it must be bollocks I don't think that is the case. Who would be filming that? Is all the chanting during the game always on social media??? I don't think so. so where is the proof this chanting took place were you there if you were then say you heard it....if not pipe down princess |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 31, 2024 21:17:57 GMT
Can anybody add to this thread and say they actually heard this?
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Post by milton58 on Oct 31, 2024 21:19:54 GMT
Can anybody add to this thread and say they actually heard this? spithhedog heard it apparently even though he wasn't there |
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Post by alsager58 on Oct 31, 2024 22:16:58 GMT
Typical of our fanbase if one says they never heard the chanting a selection of the lambs follow and its noticeable in a few of the latest threads that this is happening, Unfortunately this is exactly what is so obviously wrong with the mentality of a few who don't have an educated open mind, that this just might have happened. Why would a lady put it on social media ? Why would a national paper name and shame the club? Why would the club issue a statement? Why would Peter Coates go on Talksport and apologise on behalf of the club ? and why would a respectable Talksport award winning radio show dedicate a section to our issue? I'm sure they have bright well educated research team that manages the shows content in a professional manner. For those who refuse to accept that this might have happened just remember the target of whatever chants we sang is Tyrese Campbell who i guess is still grieving his late father Kevin. I can only imagine those singing don't have a close knit family or father and there is a word in the dictionary that describes them appropriately.
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Post by doctortheopolis on Oct 31, 2024 22:41:07 GMT
Typical of our fanbase if one says they never heard the chanting a selection of the lambs follow and its noticeable in a few of the latest threads that this is happening, Unfortunately this is exactly what is so obviously wrong with the mentality of a few who don't have an educated open mind, that this just might have happened. Why would a lady put it on social media ? Why would a national paper name and shame the club? Why would the club issue a statement? Why would Peter Coates go on Talksport and apologise on behalf of the club ? and why would a respectable Talksport award winning radio show dedicate a section to our issue? I'm sure they have bright well educated research team that manages the shows content in a professional manner. For those who refuse to accept that this might have happened just remember the target of whatever chants we sang is Tyrese Campbell who i guess is still grieving his late father Kevin. I can only imagine those singing don't have a close knit family or father and there is a word in the dictionary that describes them appropriately. I was there on Saturday. I didn't hear the chant. I'm not saying it didn't happen but I'm certainly not a "lamb" and I consider myself to have an "educated open mind". In fact, as someone who has lost a parent myself in the last 6 months, I know I'd be hyper sensitive to a chant like that. If you were there on Saturday and heard such a chant then fair enough. If you weren't there, then your comments rounding on other people who were there but didn't hear it, are a load of bollocks. I was surprised that Tyrese got done much stick. I feel very MEH about his time at SCFC - lots of unfulfilled promise and frustrating but not enough to be hurling abuse and calling him a wanker all game. There was certainly plenty of specimens out on Saturday and we had the pleasure of a carriage full of them from Sheffield to Stockport. I follow the said lady on Twitter who heard the chant so I'm not saying it didn't happen but rounding on fans who were there and didn't hear it is poor form. |
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Post by pushon on Oct 31, 2024 22:42:11 GMT
Typical of our fanbase if one says they never heard the chanting a selection of the lambs follow and its noticeable in a few of the latest threads that this is happening, Unfortunately this is exactly what is so obviously wrong with the mentality of a few who don't have an educated open mind, that this just might have happened. Why would a lady put it on social media ? Why would a national paper name and shame the club? Why would the club issue a statement? Why would Peter Coates go on Talksport and apologise on behalf of the club ? and why would a respectable Talksport award winning radio show dedicate a section to our issue? I'm sure they have bright well educated research team that manages the shows content in a professional manner. For those who refuse to accept that this might have happened just remember the target of whatever chants we sang is Tyrese Campbell who i guess is still grieving his late father Kevin. I can only imagine those singing don't have a close knit family or father and there is a word in the dictionary that describes them appropriately. This wall of words is too tedious to decipher. But one thing that's certain, is that T Campbell was stealing a living during his last couple of years at SCFC. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 31, 2024 23:01:58 GMT
Whilst I agree in general with what you say I dont agree with the measures that you want to adopt to punish them. They should not be banned for life. They should not be hounded out of employment and income. If you want to discipline them then a season long ban would be plenty for them to learn their lesson. Can I ask why you don't think tragedy chanting deserves a lifetime ban? If not this, what does? I will comment in general terms. Clubs often say in relation to deplorable behaviour that the perpetrators if identified will be banned for life. The problem is that it does nothing to alter the attitudes or beliefs which lead to the behaviour - just transfers it outside football to other environments, including possibly other spectator sports. It gives the offender nowhere to go and no incentive to alter. If say a teenager is so banned, does anyone believe that in say 50 years time, he/she would be prevented from taking their grandchildren to a game, because of something stupid and unpleasant they shouted half a century before ? I'm in favour of appropriate restorative justice - in this case it might be, say, writing an apology to Tye, or even being required to deliver it in person, and some community work with bereaved families. A fixed term ban from games might be part of that but the main thing is for them to confront and address their own behaviour. The other argument is that lifetime bans act as a deterrent to others. I'm not convinced that is the case because people think they won't be identified and caught. Just a personal view. |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 31, 2024 23:07:28 GMT
Whilst I agree in general with what you say I dont agree with the measures that you want to adopt to punish them. They should not be banned for life. They should not be hounded out of employment and income. If you want to discipline them then a season long ban would be plenty for them to learn their lesson. Can I ask why you don't think tragedy chanting deserves a lifetime ban? If not this, what does? I mean the chants are deplorable but it's not tragedy chanting is it. Tyreses Father's death was sad bit it wasn't a tragedy. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 31, 2024 23:12:42 GMT
Typical of our fanbase if one says they never heard the chanting a selection of the lambs follow and its noticeable in a few of the latest threads that this is happening, Unfortunately this is exactly what is so obviously wrong with the mentality of a few who don't have an educated open mind, that this just might have happened. Why would a lady put it on social media ? Why would a national paper name and shame the club? Why would the club issue a statement? Why would Peter Coates go on Talksport and apologise on behalf of the club ? and why would a respectable Talksport award winning radio show dedicate a section to our issue? I'm sure they have bright well educated research team that manages the shows content in a professional manner. For those who refuse to accept that this might have happened just remember the target of whatever chants we sang is Tyrese Campbell who i guess is still grieving his late father Kevin. I can only imagine those singing don't have a close knit family or father and there is a word in the dictionary that describes them appropriately. This wall of words is too tedious to decipher. But one thing that's certain, is that T Campbell was stealing a living during his last couple of years at SCFC. Personally I don't think that's "certain" or fair. He wasn't the same player after his injury which is a shame because I think he could have been a top PL player. It's happened to others in the past (Dean Crowe and Kris Commons spring to mind). I don't think he was lazy or overweight but his stats would show that one way or the other. I think abusing him on his home ground is counter-productive. If it has any effect at all it will motivate him, and certainly get the home crowd on his side. And if the tragedy chanting did occur, it's disgraceful. |
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 31, 2024 23:19:08 GMT
Typical of our fanbase if one says they never heard the chanting a selection of the lambs follow and its noticeable in a few of the latest threads that this is happening, Unfortunately this is exactly what is so obviously wrong with the mentality of a few who don't have an educated open mind, that this just might have happened. Why would a lady put it on social media ? Why would a national paper name and shame the club? Why would the club issue a statement? Why would Peter Coates go on Talksport and apologise on behalf of the club ? and why would a respectable Talksport award winning radio show dedicate a section to our issue? I'm sure they have bright well educated research team that manages the shows content in a professional manner. For those who refuse to accept that this might have happened just remember the target of whatever chants we sang is Tyrese Campbell who i guess is still grieving his late father Kevin. I can only imagine those singing don't have a close knit family or father and there is a word in the dictionary that describes them appropriately. How is people saying they didn’t hear the reported abuse mean they are a ‘lamb’? The club have issued a statement because a complaint was put in, thus meaning the newspapers and radio have also picked up on it. It’s shocking if it happened everyone has said that, what more do you want people to do? |
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Post by pushon on Oct 31, 2024 23:19:45 GMT
This wall of words is too tedious to decipher. But one thing that's certain, is that T Campbell was stealing a living during his last couple of years at SCFC. Personally I don't think that's "certain" or fair. He wasn't the same player after his injury which is a shame because I think he could have been a top PL player. It's happened to others in the past (Dean Crowe and Kris Commons spring to mind). I don't think he was lazy or overweight but his stats would show that one way or the other. I think abusing him on his home ground is counter-productive. If it has any effect at all it will motivate him, and certainly get the home crowd on his side. And if the tragedy chanting did occur, it's disgraceful. I agree that discriminatory chanting is unacceptable, but how else do you object to a lacklustre performance? |
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 31, 2024 23:23:13 GMT
Personally I don't think that's "certain" or fair. He wasn't the same player after his injury which is a shame because I think he could have been a top PL player. It's happened to others in the past (Dean Crowe and Kris Commons spring to mind). I don't think he was lazy or overweight but his stats would show that one way or the other. I think abusing him on his home ground is counter-productive. If it has any effect at all it will motivate him, and certainly get the home crowd on his side. And if the tragedy chanting did occur, it's disgraceful. I agree that discriminatory chanting is unacceptable, but how else do you object to a lacklustre performance? It’s stupid and counterproductive to boo an opposition former player, all it does is gets them more fired up to score and do well against us. See also Clucas against Swansea. It happens all the time yet fans still do it. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 31, 2024 23:23:58 GMT
Can anybody add to this thread and say they actually heard this? spithhedog heard it apparently even though he wasn't there How do you come to that conclusion? I would kind of appreciate it if you would quit with making up shit about me. Totally unnecessary. |
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Post by pushon on Oct 31, 2024 23:36:15 GMT
I agree that discriminatory chanting is unacceptable, but how else do you object to a lacklustre performance? It’s stupid and counterproductive to boo an opposition former player, all it does is gets them more fired up to score and do well against us. See also Clucas against Swansea. It happens all the time yet fans still do it. I refer to his substandard performances for SCFC, if he 'turns it on' for Sheff United, then it proves ( to me) that he wasn’t concerned about Stoke City. |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Nov 1, 2024 0:09:55 GMT
Can I ask why you don't think tragedy chanting deserves a lifetime ban? If not this, what does? I mean the chants are deplorable but it's not tragedy chanting is it. Tyreses Father's death was sad bit it wasn't a tragedy. It was a tragedy to Tyrese. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 1, 2024 0:25:31 GMT
It’s stupid and counterproductive to boo an opposition former player, all it does is gets them more fired up to score and do well against us. See also Clucas against Swansea. It happens all the time yet fans still do it. I refer to his substandard performances for SCFC, if he 'turns it on' for Sheff United, then it proves ( to me) that he wasn’t concerned about Stoke City. That's your opinion about a player's performances which you are entitled to, but I don't see how that has any relevance to the topic of this thread which unless I've got it wrong, is about trying to establish whether or not there was any unacceptable chanting towards an ex-player which has brought the club into disrepute and led to the club making an official statement. |
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Post by pushon on Nov 1, 2024 0:28:41 GMT
I mean the chants are deplorable but it's not tragedy chanting is it. Tyreses Father's death was sad bit it wasn't a tragedy. It was a tragedy to Tyrese. Both of my parents are dead, it's part of life and we all die eventually. I kept on working through necessity, why should it be any different? |
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Post by pushon on Nov 1, 2024 0:30:56 GMT
I refer to his substandard performances for SCFC, if he 'turns it on' for Sheff United, then it proves ( to me) that he wasn’t concerned about Stoke City. That's your opinion about a player's performances which you are entitled to, but I don't see how that has any relevance to the topic of this thread which unless I've got it wrong, is about trying to establish whether or not there was any unacceptable chanting towards an ex-player which has brought the club into disrepute and led to the club making an official statement. I thought that I'd change the perspective🤔 |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Nov 1, 2024 6:47:13 GMT
I mean the chants are deplorable but it's not tragedy chanting is it. Tyreses Father's death was sad bit it wasn't a tragedy. It was a tragedy to Tyrese. By definition it wasn't. |
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Post by andylgr on Nov 1, 2024 8:28:50 GMT
Seems like social media strikes again and drags the people of Stokes name through the mud at the same time That was always case, even if it was fifty people singing it. Whoever it was that heard it could have just reported the incident to the stewards and then the club after the game and let them deal with it. Instead they chose the social media route, dragging our fanbase through the mud and probably putting Tyrese through a load more stress too. Thats the thing these days, people put stuff on social media for the attention. However if there were people singing it then its them that have dragged us through the mud. A lot of people have said they didn't hear it, but it could well have only been a couple of people singing it around the girl (?) that posted it on X. Clearly audible to her. but not to the many others that were there. |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Nov 1, 2024 9:06:10 GMT
I was not there, so feel free to shoot me down, but for balance I know fans who were there who did not hear the chants? I was there and heard nothing of the sort - I heard the usual abuse (boos, you're a w*nker etc) but nothing more than that. Videos on X you can hear this abuse, but I haven't yet seen or heard any video backing up singing about his Dad. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but a lot I've spoken to who were present said they didn't hear it either. I was also there and heard the ones this poster has said. Chanting W***** was bad enough and I made my feelings clear. Didn’t hear the ones being referred to at all. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 1, 2024 10:40:12 GMT
It was a tragedy to Tyrese. By definition it wasn't. One definition of tragedy is something which causes great suffering. I think losing your dad and mentor when he is only in his mid fifties and seemingly a healthy bloke will have caused Tyrese great suffering. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 1, 2024 10:42:52 GMT
It's absolutely despicable what was chanted, I wasn't at the game but how many people roughly are we talking that were involved in this disgusting behaviour?
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Post by khyberstokie1 on Nov 1, 2024 10:45:30 GMT
I was at the match Saturday in block 1 and would make the following observations- re the minutes silence - on the actual terraces it was observed well but in the concourse areas there were a few fans who were singing whilst heading to the terraces. They possibly were unaware but as a previous poster has said we’re told to be quiet. The applause on the second minute everyone near me certainly joined in. The stadium announcer at half time actually thanked the Stoke fans for joining in and we got a round of applause from the Sheff Utd fans in the stand to our left! With regard to the chants re Campbell - I didn’t hear any of the unacceptable ones mentioned but there were definitely ones re him being fat and a w.nker. I left the stadium about 5 / 6 mins after the final whistle so they could have occurred after this. I live in Sheffield and my step family are blades fans and the ones at the match didn’t hear anything apart from the singing mentioned above in the minute’s silence.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 1, 2024 10:48:22 GMT
I was at the match Saturday in block 1 and would make the following observations- re the minutes silence - on the actual terraces it was observed well but in the concourse areas there were a few fans who were singing whilst heading to the terraces. They possibly were unaware but as a previous poster has said we’re told to be quiet. The applause on the second minute everyone near me certainly joined in. The stadium announcer at half time actually thanked the Stoke fans for joining in and we got a round of applause from the Sheff Utd fans in the stand to our left! With regard to the chants re Campbell - I didn’t hear any of the unacceptable ones mentioned but there were definitely ones re him being fat and a w.nker. I left the stadium about 5 / 6 mins after the final whistle so they could have occurred after this. I live in Sheffield and my step family are blades fans and the ones at the match didn’t hear anything apart from the singing mentioned above in the minute’s silence. To be fair over the years this has always happened, it used to be worse at the old Vic as people would walk up the steps into the Boothen End chanting completely oblivious to the fact there was a minute silence going on, then you always get someone who insists on shouting "shut the fuck up" at the top of their voice and the cycle continued....... |
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