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Post by noustie on Oct 22, 2024 11:20:27 GMT
Wasn't even the worst tackle that game. Fabrecunt's assault on Pugh was conveniently forgotten about by the media. Did Arsenal not snidely and weasely try to kick the absolute shit out of us in the run up to the FA Cup final too the season after?
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Post by mickey2693 on Oct 22, 2024 11:21:18 GMT
If you believe his ankle/leg was broken before any contact you are very silly. Perhaps even a little thick. That in no way apportions blame to Shawcross who was fractions late for the tackle having been pulled back by Bentner. It was one of those unfortunate things that happen in football regularly. Had it not been Arsenal involved, the matter would have been closed immediately after the game. As itโs those wankers, it rumbles on 10-15 years later. I've been called many things over the years, but a bit thick is a new one, however I'll add it to the list. ๐ค๐ As mentioned further into the thread the still picture looks like his ankle had gone over before the tackle was made. Whilst the challenge may have added to Ramseys injury I still believe that he would have gone off with a bad injury of his own doing if the tackle was not made. The perspective from the still photo that we've all seen does indeed make it look like his leg was already broken. Similarly, you can find millions of photos of people seemingly pushing over the Tower of Pisa.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 22, 2024 11:26:40 GMT
I really don't think suggesting that Stoke played to be aggressive and that was driven by Tony Pulis, is any way being 'diplomatic'. He's had 15 years to consider his answers to these inevitable types of questions and he doesn't seem any more tactful than he's ever been. The fact he's still been asked about it shows how much waffle is used to fill up air time by unadventurous television producers and script writers too. They don't get off this scott-free. It's a discussion piece on a football broadcast. He's an ex-player invited on as a pundit, for which the Shawcross tackle was a defining moment of his career. What else were they going to ask him about, what he likes to sprinkle on his rarebit?
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Post by tpholloway1 on Oct 22, 2024 11:27:33 GMT
It was a horrible tackle but Shawcross kicked an already broken leg It was such a horrible tackle the ref gave a throw in. It happened right in front of me. The ref was on the other side of the pitch. I actually thought he'd spotted Bendner's tug on Ryan and given us a free kick. He said, afterwards, that he had to issue a red card when he saw the injury(whic h, at the time, was not grounds for a red card). Wenger said nothing after the game and only started whining the next day. That arsehole, Durham, on Talkshite, went out of his way to ruin Ryan's career.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Oct 22, 2024 11:28:47 GMT
I really don't think suggesting that Stoke played to be aggressive and that was driven by Tony Pulis, is any way being 'diplomatic'. He's had 15 years to consider his answers to these inevitable types of questions and he doesn't seem any more tactful than he's ever been. We did play aggressively and it was driven by the manager. Breaking legs would have never been in the debrief though. If you think otherwise youโre as bad as that lot. Had this shit peddled by my Arse supporting brother in law for years. Gets boring.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 22, 2024 11:42:15 GMT
We did play aggressively and it was driven by the manager. Breaking legs would have never been in the debrief though. If you think otherwise youโre as bad as that lot. Had this shit peddled by my Arse supporting brother in law for years. Gets boring. Where have I said it was?
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 22, 2024 12:04:02 GMT
Not many people came out looking good from the whole affair, but Stoke fans vigorously denying the reality of a bloke having his leg kicked in half in front of their eyes is by far the worst, and most embarrassing.
Disturbing even. It shows how far people are prepared to go to avoid facing the truth. Should work for Russia or the Saudis or something.. โyes that journalist was already in little pieces when we got to the basement you seeโฆโ
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2024 12:05:03 GMT
I really don't think suggesting that Stoke played to be aggressive and that was driven by Tony Pulis, is any way being 'diplomatic'. He's had 15 years to consider his answers to these inevitable types of questions and he doesn't seem any more tactful than he's ever been. We did play aggressively and it was driven by the manager. I'm not sure we did to be honest. Do the disciplinary records at the time reflect that? I was sitting right in front of where it happened and I'm not sure the ref was even going to give a free kick at first. Saying that the manager encouraged his players to be aggressive and to leave something on players, makes us sound like a right bunch of dirty fuckers and I don't think that's fair.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 22, 2024 12:07:20 GMT
I've been called many things over the years, but a bit thick is a new one, however I'll add it to the list. ๐ค๐ As mentioned further into the thread the still picture looks like his ankle had gone over before the tackle was made. Whilst the challenge may have added to Ramseys injury I still believe that he would have gone off with a bad injury of his own doing if the tackle was not made. The perspective from the still photo that we've all seen does indeed make it look like his leg was already broken. Similarly, you can find millions of photos of people seemingly pushing over the Tower of Pisa. I've also seem people squeezing cars between their fingers as well
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Post by senojbor on Oct 22, 2024 12:32:16 GMT
To be fair I think Ramsey tried to be diplomatic about it be the presenters question 'Do you feel resentment about it' was way out of order I really don't think suggesting that Stoke played to be aggressive and that was driven by Tony Pulis, is any way being 'diplomatic'. He's had 15 years to consider his answers to these inevitable types of questions and he doesn't seem any more tactful than he's ever been. Why not? Whether you agree or not , We were a lot more aggressive. Perhaps a better way of putting it would have been competitive. Part of our problem now is that we are not competitive enough. Players don't even get their shorts dirty Ramsey did say that he didn't think Shawcross meant it, did you hear that? Sorry the problem is that Sky presenter was out of order, Ramsey didn't mention the tackle.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2024 12:34:28 GMT
I really don't think suggesting that Stoke played to be aggressive and that was driven by Tony Pulis, is any way being 'diplomatic'. He's had 15 years to consider his answers to these inevitable types of questions and he doesn't seem any more tactful than he's ever been. Why not? Whether you agree or not , We were a lot more aggressive. Perhaps a better way of putting it would have been competitive. Part of our problem now is that we are not competitive enough. Players don't even get their shorts dirty Ramsey did say that he didn't think Shawcross meant it, did you hear that? Sorry the problem is that Sky presenter was out of order, Ramsey didn't mention the tackle. See answer three above this one.
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Post by senojbor on Oct 22, 2024 12:56:19 GMT
Roy Keane openly admitted breaking Alf Haalands leg. It's in his book.
Yet that never gets mentioned on Sky. I would like to see the presenter mentioning that. He wouldn't dare
Keane was a thug and so was Arsenals own Vieira
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 22, 2024 13:12:09 GMT
And we say Arsenal fans still go on about it
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 22, 2024 13:12:15 GMT
I was in a box with 2 Arsenal fans that day, clients of ours and they didn't see anything wrong with the tackle at the time, I'd love to have a chat with that dick Alan Davies though his rant is slanderous, he was actually spitting in anger as he spoke claiming it was deliberate.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 22, 2024 13:12:15 GMT
Not many people came out looking good from the whole affair, but Stoke fans vigorously denying the reality of a bloke having his leg kicked in half in front of their eyes is by far the worst, and most embarrassing. Disturbing even. It shows how far people are prepared to go to avoid facing the truth. Should work for Russia or the Saudis or something.. โyes that journalist was already in little pieces when we got to the basement you seeโฆโ Were you at a different game? At the worst it was a coming together both players at full tilt.. kicked in half๐๐ Unless I'm missing something in your comments?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 22, 2024 13:13:22 GMT
To be fair I think Ramsey tried to be diplomatic about it be the presenters question 'Do you feel resentment about it' was way out of order I really don't think suggesting that Stoke played to be aggressive and that was driven by Tony Pulis, is any way being 'diplomatic'. He's had 15 years to consider his answers to these inevitable types of questions and he doesn't seem any more tactful than he's ever been. It's true we played to be aggressive though? We were one of the fairest teams in the Premier League (often to our own detriment), but we had an aggressive approach. The actions after the break showed the true colours of both teams. Whelan comforting Ramsey, and the likes of Campbell being an idiot. Not that that aggression was in any way linked to Ramsey's injury. That was one of those freak accidents that could happen any time, not forgetting Bendtner pulling Shawcross back. Everything doesn't always have to be so black and white. The only black and white thing I see here is that Arsenal handled it very poorly both during and after the event, and Shawcross and Stoke handled the situation with class.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 22, 2024 13:19:17 GMT
I was in a box with 2 Arsenal fans that day, clients of ours and they didn't see anything wrong with the tackle at the time, I'd love to have a chat with that dick Alan Davies though his rant is slanderous, he was actually spitting in anger as he spoke claiming it was deliberate. I think Stoke fans go on about it constantly as well so let's not point the finger too much I did message Talksport that day although they didn't ask him direct, Alan Davies said that Shawcross should be banned for the time that Ramsey is injured for...so by his logic Steve Bould should be banned for life when he finished David Hirsts career? Would have been interested to hear his reply
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 22, 2024 13:23:44 GMT
I was in a box with 2 Arsenal fans that day, clients of ours and they didn't see anything wrong with the tackle at the time, I'd love to have a chat with that dick Alan Davies though his rant is slanderous, he was actually spitting in anger as he spoke claiming it was deliberate. I think Stoke fans go on about it constantly as well so let's not point the finger too much I did message Talksport that day although they didn't ask him direct, Alan Davies said that Shawcross should be banned for the time that Ramsey is injured for...so by his logic Steve Bould should be banned for life when he finished David Hirsts career? Would have been interested to hear his reply The Alan Davies rant I've heard isn't the one on that podcast and he defiantly says that Ryan did it on purpose, I suspect that it's been removed.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 22, 2024 13:27:12 GMT
I was in a box with 2 Arsenal fans that day, clients of ours and they didn't see anything wrong with the tackle at the time, I'd love to have a chat with that dick Alan Davies though his rant is slanderous, he was actually spitting in anger as he spoke claiming it was deliberate. The Taskmaster episode where Victoria Coren-Mitchell bought Alan Davies a voucher towards a Man Utd season ticket was on last night. Genius.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 22, 2024 13:28:29 GMT
I think Stoke fans go on about it constantly as well so let's not point the finger too much I did message Talksport that day although they didn't ask him direct, Alan Davies said that Shawcross should be banned for the time that Ramsey is injured for...so by his logic Steve Bould should be banned for life when he finished David Hirsts career? Would have been interested to hear his reply The Alan Davies rant I've heard isn't the one on that podcast and he defiantly says that Ryan did it on purpose, I suspect that it's been removed. I do think he's a genuine football fan but to say that it was deliberate is nonsense . He should stick to the history of the hedgehog on QI...do love that show though to to be honest
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 22, 2024 13:30:58 GMT
Perhaps we should let it go also.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 22, 2024 13:41:46 GMT
Shawcross clearly didn't do it on purpose, it was a big slower player trying to tackle a small quick player, in a semi-contact sport, which then led to a horrific injury that clearly caused massive upset to the offending player, who ended up accidentally breaking an opponent's leg. Both players continued very successfully in a very well paid profession thereafter. He should be letting his anger go, it was years ago and continued animosity does no one any good.
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Post by onionman on Oct 22, 2024 14:00:05 GMT
I was in a box with 2 Arsenal fans that day, clients of ours and they didn't see anything wrong with the tackle at the time, I'd love to have a chat with that dick Alan Davies though his rant is slanderous, he was actually spitting in anger as he spoke claiming it was deliberate. I think Stoke fans go on about it constantly as well so let's not point the finger too much I did message Talksport that day although they didn't ask him direct, Alan Davies said that Shawcross should be banned for the time that Ramsey is injured for...so by his logic Steve Bould should be banned for life when he finished David Hirsts career? Would have been interested to hear his reply This is probably the crux of it. Players from every club, including Arsenal, have committed fouls (deliberate or otherwise) that have injured opponents. For fans, players or managers of any club to suggest otherwise is pretty silly.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 22, 2024 14:15:01 GMT
Perhaps we should let it go also. They started it....๐
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 22, 2024 14:26:50 GMT
Not many people came out looking good from the whole affair, but Stoke fans vigorously denying the reality of a bloke having his leg kicked in half in front of their eyes is by far the worst, and most embarrassing. Disturbing even. It shows how far people are prepared to go to avoid facing the truth. Should work for Russia or the Saudis or something.. โyes that journalist was already in little pieces when we got to the basement you seeโฆโ Were you at a different game? At the worst it was a coming together both players at full tilt.. kicked in half๐๐ Unless I'm missing something in your comments? There's a reason Ryan went off the pitch in tears and that's because he'd just kicked a bloke's leg in half. Of course an accident, but that is literally what happened. Anyway it doesn't matter how you describe it - "coming-together", kick, tackle, whatever. I'm referring to the daft conspiracy that what broke the player's tibia and fibula clean in half was not the swinging boot smashing into it, but some soft turf he stepped on a fraction of a second before.
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Post by telfordstokie on Oct 22, 2024 14:39:13 GMT
Wondered if he would walk again,what a fucking drama queen. Maybe not the extent of never walking again but to be fair I thought his career could be over when I was in the ground that night - whatever the arguments about how it happened it definitely was a horrendous break.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 22, 2024 15:06:26 GMT
We did play aggressively and it was driven by the manager. I'm not sure we did to be honest. Do the disciplinary records at the time reflect that? I was sitting right in front of where it happened and I'm not sure the ref was even going to give a free kick at first. Saying that the manager encouraged his players to be aggressive and to leave something on players, makes us sound like a right bunch of dirty fuckers and I don't think that's fair. You can be aggressive and stay in the boundaries of the laws, which we did most of the time. Like any clubs' players, sometimes they go over. The manager encouraged an up and at' em approach and it worked well.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 22, 2024 15:07:02 GMT
Were you at a different game? At the worst it was a coming together both players at full tilt.. kicked in half๐๐ Unless I'm missing something in your comments? There's a reason Ryan went off the pitch in tears and that's because he'd just kicked a bloke's leg in half. Of course an accident, but that is literally what happened. Anyway it doesn't matter how you describe it - "coming-together", kick, tackle, whatever. I'm referring to the daft conspiracy that what broke the player's tibia and fibula clean in half was not the swinging boot smashing into it, but some soft turf he stepped on a fraction of a second before. Your opinion still don't think Ryan kicked him and have you never seen players break legs ankles getting foot caught in turf etc? Saw it happen to my mate at school in front of me.
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Post by Bagwash on Oct 22, 2024 15:10:04 GMT
Perhaps we should let it go also. But its never us who bring it up.We just remind them what really happened.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 22, 2024 15:37:35 GMT
How many broken legs did we suffer in a matter of weeks that cost us the Title in the mid 70s,but we don't go on about it years after,unlike the fucking Scum.
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