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Post by rowleyscfc on Oct 22, 2024 7:33:12 GMT
Anyone who thinks that wasn't just a accident is quite frankly delusional, wouldn't of been in tears walking off the pitch had there been any malice in it. Sky and Arsenal fans just will not let it go.
Alot boils down to classism, the idea that Stoke is a rough and ready team is based around peoples thoughts of the area, working class.
When Son broke Gomes leg he was made out to be a sweetheart.
It was a accident nothing more nothing less.
Ramsey should be more pissed off at the Arsenal players who were more interested in making sure it was a red card whilst Whelan was the only player to help and console him.
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Post by shrewspotter on Oct 22, 2024 7:43:35 GMT
To be honest it was 15 years ago and i actually blame Sky here and not Ramsey
Ramsey was asked and pushed on the incident and he did say what he thought, that Stoke at the time were a phyical team which, lets be honest is true, he said Stoke roughed up a soft Arsenal which I also believe was true, he also said he doesnt think anyone goes out to break a leg (Roy Keane vs Haaland excluded), also true. I am not sure Ramsey has said too much to get het up about on this occasion, Sky are tossers though for pushing the incident. But otherwise its a bit of a non story
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Post by jeycov on Oct 22, 2024 8:01:31 GMT
To be honest it was 15 years ago and i actually blame Sky here and not Ramsey Ramsey was asked and pushed on the incident and he did say what he thought, that Stoke at the time were a phyical team which, lets be honest is true, he said Stoke roughed up a soft Arsenal which I also believe was true, he also said he doesnt think anyone goes out to break a leg (Roy Keane vs Haaland excluded), also true. I am not sure Ramsey has said too much to get het up about on this occasion, Sky are tossers though for pushing the incident. But otherwise its a bit of a non story I wonder how a similar interview with Martin Keogh would have gone Another top quality international footballer from Arsenal albeit from a different era Alan Smith, Larson then Andre Gomes, James McCarthy Seamus Coleman ( all Everton) and more? I wouldn’t be able to name any of the players who tackled them Sadly Shawcross will always be remembered for this moment in his career Time to move on |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 22, 2024 8:08:22 GMT
The fucking brittle boned scum bag gooner cunt can go and fuck himself. Every Stokie knows the truth about that tackle. His fucking ankle had gone before Ryan was near him and it took a fucking stoke player to check on the papermached ankled cunt, unlike that fucking bell wipe Campbell who wanted a fucking fight. And you wonder why every Stoke fan hates those fucking gooner cunts and anyone associated with them Wankers the lot of em 😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬 If you believe his ankle/leg was broken before any contact you are very silly. Perhaps even a little thick. That in no way apportions blame to Shawcross who was fractions late for the tackle having been pulled back by Bentner. It was one of those unfortunate things that happen in football regularly. Had it not been Arsenal involved, the matter would have been closed immediately after the game. As it’s those wankers, it rumbles on 10-15 years later. |
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Post by dexter97 on Oct 22, 2024 8:25:23 GMT
It was a horrible tackle but Shawcross kicked an already broken leg It was a horrible injury, not a horrible tackle. I remember at the time, Arch Stoke-Hater Dick Menace writing a piece in defence of Shawcross, claiming he'd seen footage that exonerated him. Even if I hadn't seen the incident play out right in front of me, that would be all the evidence I need that Ryan was innocent. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 22, 2024 8:30:19 GMT
I watched the video repeatedly at the time.
It was a 50:50 situation where the ball broke free and both Shawcross and Ramsey had the opportunity to get it.
The ball initially was closer to Shawcriss but moving away from him, so Ramsay got to it a split second sooner and knocked the ball away. As he did so Shawcrosses straight leg landed on Ramsay's leg with the dire consequences.
It was a footballing incident and under the modern interpretation of the rules the ref was duty bound to send Shawcross off, whether or not it was intended. Red cards are given for even more accidental incidents these days, when no one is seriously hurt.
The regrettable thing is that Shawcross was clearly gutted but "Arsenal" (Ramsay, Wenger, A fans) decided it was reckless play by Shawcross or at worst intended.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 22, 2024 8:34:51 GMT
Anyone who thinks that wasn't just a accident is quite frankly delusional, wouldn't of been in tears walking off the pitch had there been any malice in it. Sky and Arsenal fans just will not let it go. Alot boils down to classism, the idea that Stoke is a rough and ready team is based around peoples thoughts of the area, working class. When Son broke Gomes leg he was made out to be a sweetheart. It was a accident nothing more nothing less. Ramsey should be more pissed off at the Arsenal players who were more interested in making sure it was a red card whilst Whelan was the only player to help and console him. Anyone who thinks his ankle broke before he was tackled is even more delusional. Ryan was on cloud 9 that evening as he'd just been named in the England squad and was playing well. That tackle ruined his career - I'm convinced he would have got a move to a bigger club, ironically Arsenal were crying out for a player like him. However, Wenger went after him and the media got a great story - southern big club against rough northern monkeys which rumbled on and on and could be dragged out every time we played each other. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 22, 2024 8:35:42 GMT
He’s getting pelters on Twitter for being a personality void
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 22, 2024 8:38:18 GMT
I’m no fan of Ramsey, but he’s not really said anything wrong here. Why that shit stirring presenter felt the need to bring it back up is anyone’s guess though.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 22, 2024 8:45:08 GMT
Still footage pictures seem to suggest his ankle WAS broke before shawcross got there Shawx foot is on the ground nowhere near his leg, still say ramsay caught his studs in the turf as can happen sometimes.
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Post by biglad180 on Oct 22, 2024 8:47:38 GMT
never convince me any different Ramsey broke it by first kicking the ground before Ryan connected, Wenger and Ramsey, stired the shit,,and lets not forget when all them Arsenal wankers were running around holding there heads it was a stoke player who went to help him,fucking horrible club who by fact have more sendings off than any other premier league club,, like liverpool they make out to be always the victims,bunch of wankers,
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 22, 2024 9:15:34 GMT
Wondered if he would walk again,what a fucking drama queen.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 22, 2024 9:17:02 GMT
The fucking brittle boned scum bag gooner cunt can go and fuck himself. Every Stokie knows the truth about that tackle. His fucking ankle had gone before Ryan was near him and it took a fucking stoke player to check on the papermached ankled cunt, unlike that fucking bell wipe Campbell who wanted a fucking fight. And you wonder why every Stoke fan hates those fucking gooner cunts and anyone associated with them Wankers the lot of em 😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬 If you believe his ankle/leg was broken before any contact you are very silly. Perhaps even a little thick. That in no way apportions blame to Shawcross who was fractions late for the tackle having been pulled back by Bentner. It was one of those unfortunate things that happen in football regularly. Had it not been Arsenal involved, the matter would have been closed immediately after the game. As it’s those wankers, it rumbles on 10-15 years later. I've been called many things over the years, but a bit thick is a new one, however I'll add it to the list. 🤔😉 As mentioned further into the thread the still picture looks like his ankle had gone over before the tackle was made. Whilst the challenge may have added to Ramseys injury I still believe that he would have gone off with a bad injury of his own doing if the tackle was not made. |
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Post by Bagwash on Oct 22, 2024 9:21:11 GMT
Bentner pulled ryan back as they went in for a 50/50 It looks like Ramsey sort of tried to pull out and his leg went before contact Sol Campbell was harassing the ref like a man possessed to get ryan sent off whilst glenn whelan attended to Ramsay The ref bottled it and sent ryan off Ryan got picked for England that weekend and I believe this incident blighted that career and maybe a move. Stokes gain The aftermath saw that cunt wenger moaning and reportedly would not let Ramsay accept an apology for ryan Arsenal. A cuntish club, full of cunts supported by cunts Man Utd were always my pet hate until our Premier league years when my hatred for all things Arsenal overtook them. Horrible club with horrible arrogant fans. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 22, 2024 9:36:36 GMT
If it makes anyone feel better this marked the end of Wenger as an elite manager. Before then he'd locked horns with people like Mourinho Ferguson and Capello. But he was choosing to allow himself to be agitated by Stoke City.
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Post by bangorstokie on Oct 22, 2024 9:36:45 GMT
What do you expect from a club whose has that bone fide CUNT Piers Morgan as on of their biggest fans. I fucking hate Arsenal with a fucking vengeance!!! Biggest load of cunts in English football.🤬🤬🤬
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 22, 2024 9:40:50 GMT
Bentner pulled ryan back as they went in for a 50/50 It looks like Ramsey sort of tried to pull out and his leg went before contact Sol Campbell was harassing the ref like a man possessed to get ryan sent off whilst glenn whelan attended to Ramsay The ref bottled it and sent ryan off Ryan got picked for England that weekend and I believe this incident blighted that career and maybe a move. Stokes gain The aftermath saw that cunt wenger moaning and reportedly would not let Ramsay accept an apology for ryan Arsenal. A cuntish club, full of cunts supported by cunts Man Utd were always my pet hate until our Premier league years when my hatred for all things Arsenal overtook them. Horrible club with horrible arrogant fans. Along with Chelsea fans |
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Post by steve66 on Oct 22, 2024 9:56:07 GMT
To be fair I think Ramsey tried to be diplomatic about it be the presenters question 'Do you feel resentment about it' was way out of order I know he was pushed by the interviewer but he does say stoke had an agenda, driven by Pulis, to leave something on their players! Unbelievable it’s football, a contact sport and like others have alluded to & I also watched the video several times, his foot planted in the turf & shawx was having his shirt pulled immediately prior to the unfortunate incident. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 22, 2024 10:09:37 GMT
It was a horrible tackle but Shawcross kicked an already broken leg It was such a horrible tackle the ref gave a throw in. |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Oct 22, 2024 10:10:48 GMT
Anyone who thinks that wasn't just a accident is quite frankly delusional, wouldn't of been in tears walking off the pitch had there been any malice in it. Sky and Arsenal fans just will not let it go. Alot boils down to classism, the idea that Stoke is a rough and ready team is based around peoples thoughts of the area, working class. When Son broke Gomes leg he was made out to be a sweetheart. It was a accident nothing more nothing less. Ramsey should be more pissed off at the Arsenal players who were more interested in making sure it was a red card whilst Whelan was the only player to help and console him. Anyone who thinks his ankle broke before he was tackled is even more delusional. Ryan was on cloud 9 that evening as he'd just been named in the England squad and was playing well. That tackle ruined his career - I'm convinced he would have got a move to a bigger club, ironically Arsenal were crying out for a player like him. However, Wenger went after him and the media got a great story - southern big club against rough northern monkeys which rumbled on and on and could be dragged out every time we played each other. The irony of it all is Arsenal were known for being a tough team who had lots of battles with clubs, and even more ironically now they've fell in love with a team that plays the same as a pulis side. 3 Reds in 9 games would speak for itself |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 22, 2024 10:22:15 GMT
Arsenal have been a scum club from the moment they were formed,got into the Football League by dubious means,because
most of the voters were connected to the club,they finished around 5th in the league they were in,but the clubs who finished above them were ignored,& the Scum were elected to join the Football league.
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Post by dexter97 on Oct 22, 2024 10:28:33 GMT
To be fair I think Ramsey tried to be diplomatic about it be the presenters question 'Do you feel resentment about it' was way out of order I know he was pushed by the interviewer but he does say stoke had an agenda, driven by Pulis, to leave something on their players! Unbelievable it’s football, a contact sport and like others have alluded to & I also watched the video several times, his foot planted in the turf & shawx was having his shirt pulled immediately prior to the unfortunate incident. The accusation that TP encouraged his players to let the opposition 'know that they were there' is irrefutable. We were rough-house, and that was often the only way we could beat teams with silkier skills than ours. Not that anyone had to be particularly aggressive against pussies like the Arse were under Whinger. There's a difference, though, between being physical and setting-out to injure people. Ryan's tackle wasn't even that late or clumsy, and in real-time it just looked like a routine collision. I've never watched a slow-mo replay of the incident, but I do remember seeing a few stills over the following couple of days, including the one that appeared to show Ramsey's leg looking as if it was broken before impact. I don't read too much into that one as photos can be deceptive. The picture that did leave a bit of an impression though, was one just prior to their coming-together that showed Ramsey jumping in with both feet off the ground. He was challenging just as hard for that ball as Shawcross was. |
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Post by hoppo96 on Oct 22, 2024 10:31:52 GMT
I don't think the comments were that bad. He hardly came out and said "fuck Ryan Shawcross"
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Oct 22, 2024 10:39:34 GMT
Good old Weetabix ankles never fails to make me laugh.
This is better than the time he said he would “allow” Shawcross to play in the Wales squad if he wanted 🤣
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 22, 2024 10:42:38 GMT
The way this shit boned little cunt goes on, you’d think Shawcross had run in and snapped him Keane on Haaland style, when it couldn’t be any further from the truth. We bullied them at the time and unfortunately this leg break fitted whatever narrative the media wanted to pedal. I don’t recall any player being so bitter about an unfortunate accident from which he fully recovered from and went on to have a career most could only dream of.
You can’t even have any sympathy for the whiny twat, just get on with your life you fucking spanner.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 22, 2024 10:47:53 GMT
To be fair I think Ramsey tried to be diplomatic about it be the presenters question 'Do you feel resentment about it' was way out of order I really don't think suggesting that Stoke played to be aggressive and that was driven by Tony Pulis, is any way being 'diplomatic'. He's had 15 years to consider his answers to these inevitable types of questions and he doesn't seem any more tactful than he's ever been. We did play aggressively and it was driven by the manager. |
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Post by noustie on Oct 22, 2024 10:57:12 GMT
Big teams invariably like playing teams who play 'the right way' because they're easier to beat.
Used to love Wenger losing his collective shit at us - did he not try ban throw-ins at one point?
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Post by pieofpeter on Oct 22, 2024 11:03:45 GMT
Dreadful game had nothing to talk about so sky had to make headlines imo...
As much asi don't like Ramsey its on sky this one!
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Oct 22, 2024 11:10:08 GMT
Wasn't even the worst tackle that game.
Fabrecunt's assault on Pugh was conveniently forgotten about by the media.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 22, 2024 11:14:00 GMT
Good old Weetabix ankles never fails to make me laugh. This is better than the time he said he would “allow” Shawcross to play in the Wales squad if he wanted 🤣 Just spat my tea out at weetabix ankles 😂😂😂 |
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