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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:11:37 GMT
I like what she says but she's alone in a party of woke, centrist Tories with a track record of failing the British people. I hope Nige and Kemi come up with a decent plan for the next election to bring this nation over to its rightful place on the libertarian right. No one likes Starmer. No one wants Starmer. But why should Brits trust Tories again? I thought you may like her. She’s a big de Santis fan apparently. I couldn't give a flying cunt who she's a fan of. If she believes in rewarding hard work, family values, protecting our borders, protecting children from genital mutilation, implementing law and order, and an economically prosperous Britain that is proud of its heritage - I'm all for it. My concern is... The Tories have done the absolute opposite of supporting the above over the past 14 years. We all know Starmer is a massive cunt and has zero interest in anything other than his own status (see Jezza being thrown under a double decker bus for more info) but why should we be surprised.... Labour are vile, massively incompetent, corrupt and dishonest. The tories are no better so why should Brits believe Kemi, on her own, can transform this rotting country? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 2, 2024 18:17:46 GMT
I like what she says but she's alone in a party of woke, centrist Tories with a track record of failing the British people. I hope Nige and Kemi come up with a decent plan for the next election to bring this nation over to its rightful place on the libertarian right. No one likes Starmer. No one wants Starmer. But why should Brits trust Tories again? Well none of that makes any sense. If Badenoch is a lone right winger how come she got through to the run off against another right wing candidate? If the rest of the party are centrist how the hell is she going to persuade them to do a deal with Farage? Why would Farage do a deal with a woke centrist party? How is a right wing Tory Party going to avoid losing more votes to the Lib Dems let alone win back the votes they lost at the last election? Given the Tories and Reform are looking to mop up the right wing libertarian vote (which is a minority vote anyway) how are either of them going to win an election under FPTP? You are making exactly the same mistake as the left wing Corbyn supporters. Like them you think your politics is mainstream and you only need one of your own to take centre stage and the voters will see the light and vote them in. Not going to happen. Parties win elections by capturing the "woke" centre ground. Abandon the centre ground and the Tories - like Labour before them - are toast. You have every right to be a proud libertarian right winger but to think you represent a majority of the electorate is just delusional. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:27:28 GMT
I like what she says but she's alone in a party of woke, centrist Tories with a track record of failing the British people. I hope Nige and Kemi come up with a decent plan for the next election to bring this nation over to its rightful place on the libertarian right. No one likes Starmer. No one wants Starmer. But why should Brits trust Tories again? Well none of that makes any sense. If Badenoch is a lone right winger how come she got through to the run off against another right wing candidate? If the rest of the party are centrist how the hell is she going to persuade them to do a deal with Farage? Why would Farage do a deal with a woke centrist party? How is a right wing Tory Party going to avoid losing more votes to the Lib Dems let alone win back the votes they lost at the last election? Given the Tories and Reform are looking to mop up the right wing libertarian vote (which is a minority vote anyway) how are either of them going to win an election under FPTP? You are making exactly the same mistake as the left wing Corbyn supporters. Like them you think your politics is mainstream and you only need one of your own to take centre stage and the voters will see the light and vote them in. Not going to happen. Parties win elections by capturing the "woke" centre ground. Abandon the centre ground and the Tories - like Labour before them - are toast. You have every right to be a proud libertarian right winger but to think you represent a majority of the electorate is just delusional. Where have I said I represent the majority of the electorate? Why would Farage do a deal with a woke party? Agreed. How are either going to win? Agreed, the current system makes that very difficult hence a deal between both parties would be good. How did she get through? Because most Tory mp's would sacrifice their values to ensure they retain their job in the next election. Most Tory members are genuine Conservatives hence today's victory. You think politics is mainstream? So if Trump wins next week, Polievere inevitably wins over Canada next year and Macron loses to the right (again) and much of Europe, Asia and South America continues to move to the right - Is that mainstream? Is most the world "not mainstream"? You're making no sense. Either way - You lose, deal with it. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2024 18:30:47 GMT
I thought you may like her. She’s a big de Santis fan apparently. I couldn't give a flying cunt who she's a fan of. If she believes in rewarding hard work, family values, protecting our borders, protecting children from genital mutilation, implementing law and order, and an economically prosperous Britain that is proud of its heritage - I'm all for it. My concern is... The Tories have done the absolute opposite of supporting the above over the past 14 years. We all know Starmer is a massive cunt and has zero interest in anything other than his own status (see Jezza being thrown under a double decker bus for more info) but why should we be surprised.... Labour are vile, massively incompetent, corrupt and dishonest. The tories are no better so why should Brits believe Kemi, on her own, can transform this rotting country? She is totally against family values. She thinks maternity leave is excessive and so basically wants women at home. She doesn’t think neurodivergent children should be assisted at all in schools. She is from the 19th century. Starmer is worth a hundred Kemi Badenochs, and I think Starmer is fairly mediocre. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 2, 2024 18:31:56 GMT
Bored? No, Amused? Yes I just wanted to inform my fellow members of this wonderful opportunity to make easy money |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:34:51 GMT
I couldn't give a flying cunt who she's a fan of. If she believes in rewarding hard work, family values, protecting our borders, protecting children from genital mutilation, implementing law and order, and an economically prosperous Britain that is proud of its heritage - I'm all for it. My concern is... The Tories have done the absolute opposite of supporting the above over the past 14 years. We all know Starmer is a massive cunt and has zero interest in anything other than his own status (see Jezza being thrown under a double decker bus for more info) but why should we be surprised.... Labour are vile, massively incompetent, corrupt and dishonest. The tories are no better so why should Brits believe Kemi, on her own, can transform this rotting country? She is totally against family values. She thinks maternity leave is excessive and so basically wants women at home. She doesn’t think neurodivergent children should be assisted at all in schools. She is from the 19th century. Starmer is worth a hundred Kemi Badenochs, and I think Starmer is fairly mediocre. Maternity leave is excessive. It's become comically excessive. What's controversial about challenging maternity leave? What about the millions of British women who aren't career driven and for whatever reason want to stay at home and raise a family? Also, women get to vote on it in 5 years time so why are you concerned? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 2, 2024 18:46:41 GMT
Well none of that makes any sense. If Badenoch is a lone right winger how come she got through to the run off against another right wing candidate? If the rest of the party are centrist how the hell is she going to persuade them to do a deal with Farage? Why would Farage do a deal with a woke centrist party? How is a right wing Tory Party going to avoid losing more votes to the Lib Dems let alone win back the votes they lost at the last election? Given the Tories and Reform are looking to mop up the right wing libertarian vote (which is a minority vote anyway) how are either of them going to win an election under FPTP? You are making exactly the same mistake as the left wing Corbyn supporters. Like them you think your politics is mainstream and you only need one of your own to take centre stage and the voters will see the light and vote them in. Not going to happen. Parties win elections by capturing the "woke" centre ground. Abandon the centre ground and the Tories - like Labour before them - are toast. You have every right to be a proud libertarian right winger but to think you represent a majority of the electorate is just delusional. Where have I said I represent the majority of the electorate? Why would Farage do a deal with a woke party? Agreed. How are either going to win? Agreed, the current system makes that very difficult hence a deal between both parties would be good. How did she get through? Because most Tory mp's would sacrifice their values to ensure they retain their job in the next election. Most Tory members are genuine Conservatives hence today's victory. You think politics is mainstream? So if Trump wins next week, Polievere inevitably wins over Canada next year and Macron loses to the right (again) and much of Europe, Asia and South America continues to move to the right - Is that mainstream? Is most the world "not mainstream"? You're making no sense. Either way - You lose, deal with it. There's a couple of things I agree with: The only way the right are going to win under FPTP is for the Tories and Farage to form an alliance. Thing is the Tory centre ground don't want it and, as you say, Farage doesn't either. So as things stand they are screwed. What is happening overseas is irrelevant to the realities of UK politics and if countries do go to the far right we will do what we did last time. Stand up and fight the facists. Unless you right wingers actually get your act together and create a single coherent political agenda its not me who is the loser. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 18:51:25 GMT
Where have I said I represent the majority of the electorate? Why would Farage do a deal with a woke party? Agreed. How are either going to win? Agreed, the current system makes that very difficult hence a deal between both parties would be good. How did she get through? Because most Tory mp's would sacrifice their values to ensure they retain their job in the next election. Most Tory members are genuine Conservatives hence today's victory. You think politics is mainstream? So if Trump wins next week, Polievere inevitably wins over Canada next year and Macron loses to the right (again) and much of Europe, Asia and South America continues to move to the right - Is that mainstream? Is most the world "not mainstream"? You're making no sense. Either way - You lose, deal with it. There's a couple of things I agree with: The only way the right are going to win under FPTP is for the Tories and Farage to form an alliance. Thing is the Tory centre ground don't want it and, as you say, Farage doesn't either. So as things stand they are screwed. What is happening overseas is irrelevant to the realities of UK politics and if countries do go to the far right we will do what we did last time. Stand up and fight the facists. Unless you right wingers actually get your act together and create a single coherent political agenda its not me who is the loser. The latter part of this I agree with entirely. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 18:51:40 GMT
I couldn't give a flying cunt who she's a fan of. If she believes in rewarding hard work, family values, protecting our borders, protecting children from genital mutilation, implementing law and order, and an economically prosperous Britain that is proud of its heritage - I'm all for it. My concern is... The Tories have done the absolute opposite of supporting the above over the past 14 years. We all know Starmer is a massive cunt and has zero interest in anything other than his own status (see Jezza being thrown under a double decker bus for more info) but why should we be surprised.... Labour are vile, massively incompetent, corrupt and dishonest. The tories are no better so why should Brits believe Kemi, on her own, can transform this rotting country? She is totally against family values. She thinks maternity leave is excessive and so basically wants women at home. She doesn’t think neurodivergent children should be assisted at all in schools. She is from the 19th century. Starmer is worth a hundred Kemi Badenochs, and I think Starmer is fairly mediocre. Wouldn’t a hundred Badenochs be worse than only one of her? You haven’t thought this through Oggy 😉 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2024 19:08:51 GMT
So the conservatives have had three female prime ministers, one prime minister of south Asian heritage, and now a female of African decent. Meanwhile the party of diversity keep electing white blokes. No wonder the Labour movement is known as a Boys Club. Aside from the fact that, other than in your own head of course, nobody calls it that, it's also, by some distance been the most ethnically and gender diverse parliamentary party for years. The Tory PP has always been dominated by old white men. They manage to squeeze a few token ethnics into front bench positions but this has consistently smacked of tokenism over ability, with the inevitable recent results. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 2, 2024 19:21:03 GMT
So the conservatives have had three female prime ministers, one prime minister of south Asian heritage, and now a female of African decent. Meanwhile the party of diversity keep electing white blokes. No wonder the Labour movement is known as a Boys Club. Aside from the fact that, other than in your own head of course, nobody calls it that, it's also, by some distance been the most ethnically and gender diverse parliamentary party for years. The Tory PP has always been dominated by old white men. They manage to squeeze a few token ethnics into front bench positions but this has consistently smacked of tokenism over ability, with the inevitable recent results. The major positions in Government over the past few years have been filled by ethnic minority people. The current Government have just a few positions filled by ethnic minority ministers. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 2, 2024 19:22:26 GMT
True, Paul. Labour have a huge majority but without checking they got a smaller percentage of the vote than Corbyn's first attempt against Teresa May. The Tories haemorrhaged votes to Reform and to all the other parties and some stayed at home. Some of the less trumpeted measures in the budget were pretty brutal for savers and many will have big regrets now. Take putting inheritance tax (IHT) on pension savings for non final salary schemes which most people outside of the public sector have now. You will land your beneficiaries with a £400,000 tax bill if you die with a £1m savings pot. You could argue about whether that's fair or not but the point is people didn't save on the basis nearly half of it would be going back to the government. It was quite a stunt which has left several of my pals shaken. If that’s what you think, I strongly recommend you take legal advice from a private client lawyer Who can point out where you are wrong and help plan your affairs accordingly. In what way am I wrong? If you have £2m in your pension pot then from 2027 if you turn up your toes your beneficiaries will be landed with an £800,000 IHT tax bill. It's not a point of contention. There are already 100 articles on it, advisors are suggesting it will lead to much 'gifting'. It strikes me as a shameless money grab. Why does this government just assume money you have worked hard and saved for is theirs? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 19:27:09 GMT
Aside from the fact that, other than in your own head of course, nobody calls it that, it's also, by some distance been the most ethnically and gender diverse parliamentary party for years. The Tory PP has always been dominated by old white men. They manage to squeeze a few token ethnics into front bench positions but this has consistently smacked of tokenism over ability, with the inevitable recent results. The major positions in Government over the past few years have been filled by ethnic minority people. The current Government have just a few positions filled by ethnic minority ministers. Funny isn’t it. People scream for more ethnic diversity in government. It happens. The usual suspects cry “yeh but it’s just box ticking”. I really don’t know what the fuck they’re after tbh |
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Post by Kpsje on Nov 2, 2024 19:28:15 GMT
looking forward to pmqs already - sir free-gear, two-tier and no-cheer keir, not so much  watch this space… |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 2, 2024 19:52:09 GMT
So the conservatives have had three female prime ministers, one prime minister of south Asian heritage, and now a female of African decent. Meanwhile the party of diversity keep electing white blokes. No wonder the Labour movement is known as a Boys Club. Aside from the fact that, other than in your own head of course, nobody calls it that, it's also, by some distance been the most ethnically and gender diverse parliamentary party for years. The Tory PP has always been dominated by old white men. They manage to squeeze a few token ethnics into front bench positions but this has consistently smacked of tokenism over ability, with the inevitable recent results. I think Margaret Beckett and Victoria Atkins recently used the term boys club. Well known term for the Labour movement. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2024 20:05:48 GMT
She is totally against family values. She thinks maternity leave is excessive and so basically wants women at home. She doesn’t think neurodivergent children should be assisted at all in schools. She is from the 19th century. Starmer is worth a hundred Kemi Badenochs, and I think Starmer is fairly mediocre. Maternity leave is excessive. It's become comically excessive. What's controversial about challenging maternity leave? What about the millions of British women who aren't career driven and for whatever reason want to stay at home and raise a family? Also, women get to vote on it in 5 years time so why are you concerned? It isn’t excessive. Let aline comically excessive. It is 90% of pay for 6 weeks, and then £184 a week for 33 weeks. Then childcare is at least £1k a month (full time) and easily £2k a month full time is some places, with no governmental support. Should having children just be for the rich? We need equal rights for fathers and mothers to leave when a baby is born that links seamlessly to state funded childcare. It would be best for children, best for mothers, best for fathers and best for the economy. Every single study shows it. All nations where these factors are more equal and joined up show it. Women or men should be able to choose to stay at home and not work. Virtually nobody can afford it nowadays unless they are independently wealthy from family or one partner earns well into 6 figures. And if they are unmarried in particular, the parent who stays at home and doesn’t stay in some sort of career is in significant trouble if the parents separate in the future as their financial claims are limited to those on behalf of the child. What is this female only vote in 5 years time? I have not heard about this? Why are men excluded from it? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2024 20:13:46 GMT
She is totally against family values. She thinks maternity leave is excessive and so basically wants women at home. She doesn’t think neurodivergent children should be assisted at all in schools. She is from the 19th century. Starmer is worth a hundred Kemi Badenochs, and I think Starmer is fairly mediocre. Wouldn’t a hundred Badenochs be worse than only one of her? You haven’t thought this through Oggy 😉 They’d end up fighting with each other. She likes arguing more than even I do. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 2, 2024 20:14:22 GMT
Awful appointment…. She won’t be here in 4 years….. Fuckin laughable…. Are we sure John Coates isn’t involved somewhere here…?😂 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 20:17:24 GMT
Wouldn’t a hundred Badenochs be worse than only one of her? You haven’t thought this through Oggy 😉 They’d end up fighting with each other. She likes arguing more than even I do. At least you argue without resorting to personal insults. I’m warming to you🤗 |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 2, 2024 20:40:37 GMT
She is totally against family values. She thinks maternity leave is excessive and so basically wants women at home. She doesn’t think neurodivergent children should be assisted at all in schools. She is from the 19th century. Starmer is worth a hundred Kemi Badenochs, and I think Starmer is fairly mediocre. Maternity leave is excessive. It's become comically excessive. What's controversial about challenging maternity leave? What about the millions of British women who aren't career driven and for whatever reason want to stay at home and raise a family? Also, women get to vote on it in 5 years time so why are you concerned? Not sure you've thought this through. You don't want immigration but then want to make parenting less affordable at a time women in the UK are having fewer children than ever. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 2, 2024 20:51:06 GMT
Awful appointment…. She won’t be here in 4 years….. Fuckin laughable…. Are we sure John Coates isn’t involved somewhere here…?😂 Hard to see her being Tory leader at the next election |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 2, 2024 20:55:58 GMT
If that’s what you think, I strongly recommend you take legal advice from a private client lawyer Who can point out where you are wrong and help plan your affairs accordingly. In what way am I wrong? If you have £2m in your pension pot then from 2027 if you turn up your toes your beneficiaries will be landed with an £800,000 IHT tax bill. It's not a point of contention. There are already 100 articles on it, advisors are suggesting it will lead to much 'gifting'. It strikes me as a shameless money grab. Why does this government just assume money you have worked hard and saved for is theirs? You have been told why you are wrong.... several times If people are writing Articles using the above figures they too are wrong. You have upped the Pot size from £1M to £2M but no matter A) If a person dies and leaves £2M or £20M to Spouse or Civil Partner there is NO IHT The deceased Partner can also pass on the nil rate band allowance of £325K to the surviving partner meaning they will have £650K allowance to pass on when they err ... pass on. B) If the surviving partner passes on an Estate of £2M to children/grandchildren which includes a house there is an additional £175K allowance and the calculation is (£2M - 650K - 175K = £1175K x 40% = £470K = £1.530 Net C) If a Single person dies and passes his £2M estate to a non relative the estate still benefits from the nil rate band allowance of £325K but can't use the £175K House allowance £2M - 325K = £1675K x 40% = £670K = £1,330 Net This is the worst case scenario In addition as has already pointed out currently only 4.4% of Estates are subject to IHT. When the new rules become effective in April 2027 it will raise the number of Estates to about 6% or about 40,000 people |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 21:06:38 GMT
Maternity leave is excessive. It's become comically excessive. What's controversial about challenging maternity leave? What about the millions of British women who aren't career driven and for whatever reason want to stay at home and raise a family? Also, women get to vote on it in 5 years time so why are you concerned? Not sure you've thought this through. You don't want immigration but then want to make parenting less affordable at a time women in the UK are having fewer children than ever. Do you think most women don't want to have kids because they have a career, an independent life, a lack of interest in kids maybe? Or do you genuinely think it's because women don't feel they can afford kids? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2024 21:07:33 GMT
If that’s what you think, I strongly recommend you take legal advice from a private client lawyer Who can point out where you are wrong and help plan your affairs accordingly. In what way am I wrong? If you have £2m in your pension pot then from 2027 if you turn up your toes your beneficiaries will be landed with an £800,000 IHT tax bill. It's not a point of contention. There are already 100 articles on it, advisors are suggesting it will lead to much 'gifting'. It strikes me as a shameless money grab. Why does this government just assume money you have worked hard and saved for is theirs? Who has £2M in their pension pot!? Less than 1% I would imagine. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2024 21:08:24 GMT
Not sure you've thought this through. You don't want immigration but then want to make parenting less affordable at a time women in the UK are having fewer children than ever. Do you think most women don't want to have kids because they have a career, an independent life, a lack of interest in kids maybe? Or do you genuinely think it's because women don't feel they can afford kids? Affordability massively comes into. It does for me and I earn 6 figures, so it certainly will for people who earn less. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 2, 2024 21:10:47 GMT
Maternity leave is excessive. It's become comically excessive. What's controversial about challenging maternity leave? What about the millions of British women who aren't career driven and for whatever reason want to stay at home and raise a family? Also, women get to vote on it in 5 years time so why are you concerned? Not sure you've thought this through. You don't want immigration but then want to make parenting less affordable at a time women in the UK are having fewer children than ever. Were you expecting logic? |
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Post by Davef on Nov 2, 2024 21:11:06 GMT
The major positions in Government over the past few years have been filled by ethnic minority people. The current Government have just a few positions filled by ethnic minority ministers. Funny isn’t it. People scream for more ethnic diversity in government. It happens. The usual suspects cry “yeh but it’s just box ticking”. I really don’t know what the fuck they’re after tbh I'll bet she's the not the Tory leader at the next election though. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2024 21:15:28 GMT
Do you think most women don't want to have kids because they have a career, an independent life, a lack of interest in kids maybe? Or do you genuinely think it's because women don't feel they can afford kids? Affordability massively comes into. It does for me and I earn 6 figures, so it certainly will for people who earn less. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 21:17:53 GMT
Do you think most women don't want to have kids because they have a career, an independent life, a lack of interest in kids maybe? Or do you genuinely think it's because women don't feel they can afford kids? Affordability massively comes into. It does for me and I earn 6 figures, so it certainly will for people who earn less. I didn't ask you as wealthy bloke. I asked whether most women are not having children out of choice or because they don't feel they can afford them. I don't know the answer but I suspect I know what the answer is. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2024 21:19:49 GMT
Not sure you've thought this through. You don't want immigration but then want to make parenting less affordable at a time women in the UK are having fewer children than ever. Were you expecting logic? Well he's got to get some logic from somewhere because he's not getting it from you or Oggy's six figure salary 😊 |
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