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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 21, 2024 19:08:00 GMT
As Han Solo above has rightly said ..had he he stopped and cooperated then we wouldn't be talking about it today Glad he got off and wasn't turned into colour circus May well still turn into a circus. Hopefully not. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 19:12:01 GMT
As Han Solo above has rightly said ..had he he stopped and cooperated then we wouldn't be talking about it today Glad he got off and wasn't turned into colour circus May well still turn into a circus. Hopefully not. True Am sure the fella will be seen as sitting quietly in his car, reading his bible when shot upon etc by a certain group |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 21, 2024 19:16:06 GMT
May well still turn into a circus. Hopefully not. True Am sure the fella will be seen as sitting quietly in his car, reading his bible when shot upon etc by a certain group The press and media will help of course. There'll be a guardian journo tapping away on his lap top all night desperate to get something out there......tick tock |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 21, 2024 19:16:36 GMT
Not posting this to antagonise anyone, simply an alternative viewpoint. Morgan's brother's murder was never solved amidst allegations of Police collusion with criminaks and a cover up. Unless new evidence emerges, the verdict has to stand. Tick - He was driving a huge Audi car at officers. Morgan’s a grifter and it’s an expected unbalanced response from someone who knows nothing about policing and its dangers. I think the video of the incident gives a bit of clarity to what happened. Even now after the “Not guilty” decision I don’t think the media’s being entirely fair. It’s interesting they don’t make huge reference to the vehicle being linked to a shooting or Kaba’s previous criminality. As occurred at the airport incident they do love to portray known criminals into totally innocent victims who are salt of the earth types rather than painting a more independent picture. If there was a little more context then the anger towards police wouldn’t be stoked up to the max as the Manchester Airport reporting demonstrated with the late revealing of the video of the initial incident where the males attacked police. |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 21, 2024 19:35:44 GMT
Not posting this to antagonise anyone, simply an alternative viewpoint. Morgan's brother's murder was never solved amidst allegations of Police collusion with criminals and a cover up. Unless new evidence emerges, the verdict has to stand. The key difference between perception and assumption is that perception is the way of regarding, interpreting and understanding something whereas assumption is a fact or statement that is accepted as true or certain to happen, without proof. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 21, 2024 19:40:44 GMT
Not posting this to antagonise anyone, simply an alternative viewpoint. Morgan's brother's murder was never solved amidst allegations of Police collusion with criminaks and a cover up. Unless new evidence emerges, the verdict has to stand. Tick - He was driving a huge Audi car at officers. Morgan’s a grifter and it’s an expected unbalanced response from someone who knows nothing about policing and its dangers. I think the video of the incident gives a bit of clarity to what happened. Even now after the “Not guilty” decision I don’t think the media’s being entirely fair. It’s interesting they don’t make huge reference to the vehicle being linked to a shooting or Kaba’s previous criminality. As occurred at the airport incident they do love to portray known criminals into totally innocent victims who are salt of the earth types rather than painting a more independent picture. If there was a little more context then the anger towards police wouldn’t be stoked up to the max as the Manchester Airport reporting demonstrated with the late revealing of the video of the initial incident where the males attacked police. As you say the car Kaba was driving at police in had been involved in an armed robbery the night before, and had a policeman attached to it. The IOPC have to investigate as a matter of course (for the reasons Huddy said) but on the face of it there appears more than enough mitigation there. |
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 21, 2024 19:41:47 GMT
So much sensationalising by the media with this.
Firstly describing him as a marksman. He was a normal ARV officer yet the term marksman suggests he was an elite sniper and hence bound to be lethal.
The reported headshot suggests again a shoot to kill. The officer shot to stop by aiming at the large body mass; that’s where they are trained to shoot. Unfortunately shooting through a laminated windscreen is not like it is on TV shows. The round could have gone in a thousand different directions due to its interaction with the laminates. It was pure bad luck it deviated towards the head of Kaba. Yet the way it’s reported….marksman and headshot, makes it sound like Chris Kyle was there that night.
Im sure it’s sad for Kaba’s family, but the right outcome was reached. It should be a time for dignified reflection on all sides; I suspect that won’t happen though.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 21, 2024 22:03:30 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Oct 22, 2024 1:25:23 GMT
Not posting this to antagonise anyone, simply an alternative viewpoint. Morgan's brother's murder was never solved amidst allegations of Police collusion with criminaks and a cover up. Unless new evidence emerges, the verdict has to stand. Tick - He was driving a huge Audi car at officers. Morgan’s a grifter and it’s an expected unbalanced response from someone who knows nothing about policing and its dangers. I think the video of the incident gives a bit of clarity to what happened. Even now after the “Not guilty” decision I don’t think the media’s being entirely fair. It’s interesting they don’t make huge reference to the vehicle being linked to a shooting or Kaba’s previous criminality. As occurred at the airport incident they do love to portray known criminals into totally innocent victims who are salt of the earth types rather than painting a more independent picture. If there was a little more context then the anger towards police wouldn’t be stoked up to the max as the Manchester Airport reporting demonstrated with the late revealing of the video of the initial incident where the males attacked police. & isn't it interesting that when the delayed first part of the Manchester Airport incident became available to the public to view that had led to the initial press release and footage, it's almost disappeared from the media as quick as it appeared. It all of a sudden wasn't newsworthy any more, nor a headline grabber, as it wasn't as dramatic as they could initially report and portray it to be! |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 22, 2024 4:40:54 GMT
Tick - He was driving a huge Audi car at officers. Morgan’s a grifter and it’s an expected unbalanced response from someone who knows nothing about policing and its dangers. I think the video of the incident gives a bit of clarity to what happened. Even now after the “Not guilty” decision I don’t think the media’s being entirely fair. It’s interesting they don’t make huge reference to the vehicle being linked to a shooting or Kaba’s previous criminality. As occurred at the airport incident they do love to portray known criminals into totally innocent victims who are salt of the earth types rather than painting a more independent picture. If there was a little more context then the anger towards police wouldn’t be stoked up to the max as the Manchester Airport reporting demonstrated with the late revealing of the video of the initial incident where the males attacked police. & isn't it interesting that when the delayed first part of the Manchester Airport incident became available to the public to view that had led to the initial press release and footage, it's almost disappeared from the media as quick as it appeared. It all of a sudden wasn't newsworthy any more, nor a headline grabber, as it wasn't as dramatic as they could initially report and portray it to be! Could I be as cheeky to suggest that the press love to cause division. It’s almost like they’re reporting the story in the same way that they would have if Blake had been found guilty. Portraying Kaba as this much loved family man with a child on the way. The reality is he’d probably be serving time for shooting someone in a gang dispute www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68441013Selling the narrative that he was going about his business with no real reference or a small foot note around the vehicle being linked to a very recent firearms incident and his involvement in serious gang crime. There’s a bit of me that thinks that they’ll only be happy when there’s complete anarchy and lawlessness in the country where the criminals are the victims and where any sort of attempt to uphold the law is deemed as being oppressive. This is an interesting report www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-at-the-heart-of-the-chris-kaba-case/ |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 22, 2024 8:28:12 GMT
Worth a watch. A brilliant asessment from Harry Tang.
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Post by Davef on Oct 22, 2024 9:14:37 GMT
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Post by franklin on Oct 22, 2024 9:50:47 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 22, 2024 9:59:54 GMT
He is indeed the gunman in that incident. To be honest this is all new to me as I haven't really followed the case. I was assuming this guy was a random ordinary citizen caught out in the wrong car at the wrong time. I was very wrong it would appear. Seems he was actually a total toe rag. A gang member no less with a history of shooting people and has served plenty of jail time. Deary deary me.... |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 22, 2024 10:01:05 GMT
Saint Chris Kaba 😴
Reporting restrictions lifted despite the family attempting to extend the ruling. It was all pretty much out there anyway but confirms he wasn’t just conspiring to kill a rival gang member but was in fact the gunman.
I don’t think anyone would suggest black people don’t face some forms of discrimination but there’s very little credibility for those supporting this thug.
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Post by franklin on Oct 22, 2024 10:03:58 GMT
He is indeed the gunman in that incident. To be honest this is all new to me as I haven't really followed the case. I was assuming this guy was a random ordinary citizen caught out in the wrong car at the wrong time. I was very wrong it would appear. Seems he was actually a total toe rag. A gang member no less with a history of shooting people and has served plenty of jail time. Deary deary me.... Live by the sword die by the sword , fuck him and good riddance. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 22, 2024 10:05:11 GMT
So what would be happening now if the copper had been found guilty and then we find all this background information out about Mr Kabba. It wouldn't look very good that's for sure...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 22, 2024 10:09:02 GMT
To be honest this is all new to me as I haven't really followed the case. I was assuming this guy was a random ordinary citizen caught out in the wrong car at the wrong time. I was very wrong it would appear. Seems he was actually a total toe rag. A gang member no less with a history of shooting people and has served plenty of jail time. Deary deary me.... Live by the sword die by the sword , fuck him and good riddance. Well yeah. He could have killed people ramming them with a 2 tonne car. Sorry pal, all you had to do was put the handbrake on put your hands on the dash and get out of the car. Had it coming I'm afraid. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 22, 2024 10:13:11 GMT
"The fatal shooting of Chris Kaba caused considerable fear, anger and pain not only in our community but in communities across London. Trust and confidence in policing has long been a problem in London, particularly within the Black community. We need urgent efforts to rebuild trust between police and communities."
Bell Ribeiro-Addy, MP for Clapham& Brixton Hill
In fairness the MP is just trying to quell tensions here. The truth of the situation is a little bit different, though:
Brandon Malutshi was shot twice in the leg with a revolver as Kaba, 24, opened fire on him on the dancefloor of The Oval Space, in Hackney and on the road outside as the victim tried to escape in the early hours of 30 August 2022. Kaba had arrived at the scene in the same Audi Q8 he was driving on the night of 5 September 2022, when he was shot in the head by PC Blake as he tried to escape from police in Streatham, south London.
The same vehicle was linked to a shooting in Bromley, southeast London, on 22 May 2022, in which two people were targeted with a shotgun, the Old Bailey heard in legal argument not in front of the jury in Mr Blake's murder trial.
The Audi was also used as one of two getaway vehicles the night before Kaba was killed after three masked men fired a shotgun twice at unknown targets outside a Brixton school, jurors were told. Kaba was found with a balaclava in his pocket and gunshot residue on his sleeve when he was shot by Police. Prosecutors suggested it may have come from one of the firearms officers, but this was not confirmed during the trial.
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Post by flea79 on Oct 22, 2024 10:49:47 GMT
such an angel of a chap...
its one less lowlife on the streets of this country
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2024 11:13:53 GMT
It wasn’t an execution. His background was irrelevant to the case but it would add to the state of mind and dangers facing the police
For some idiot to tweet about assumptions and for Huddy to retweet it on here to get a reaction does nothing good
But play with guns expect to get shot
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 22, 2024 11:28:55 GMT
Hard to have any sympathy when you delve a little deeper. I’m sure Blake wishes he wouldn’t have killed him, but unfortunately if you’re playing with guns you might end up getting shot and killed yourself. I don’t think many people particularly deserve to die, but many innocent bystanders have been killed during gang related violence so even if Kaba’s death itself is the most extreme of outcomes, it is what it is. That might have saved other innocent lives in itself.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 22, 2024 11:35:42 GMT
It’s in the Daily Mail so not a great source of journalism but apparently one of the gang members offered £10,000 for information on Blake that resulted in a hit.
Why his name was published I’ll never know. I don’t think it is in the public interest given the sensitivity of the job role. The judiciary should be pulled up on it as the consequence of their decision doesn’t end after the not guilty verdict and has a huge impact on him and his wider family along with other officers.
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 22, 2024 11:43:01 GMT
Any lefties still lurking now??
Difficult one to try and defend now.
What's more disturbing is we have sat a firearms officer on a potential life sentence for over 2 years. He's not a civilian with a gun. He's a highly trained firearms officer who acted lawfully.
How can you put him and his family through 2 years of hell for trash like this bloke.
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 22, 2024 11:45:45 GMT
It wasn’t an execution. His background was irrelevant to the case but it would add to the state of mind and dangers facing the police For some idiot to tweet about assumptions and for Huddy to retweet it on here to get a reaction does nothing good But play with guns expect to get shot Hes shares any old shit. He doesn't read half of it. As long at it falls on the left he'd share literally anything. He'd share a monkey with its cock out holding a Palestine flag. |
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 22, 2024 11:49:59 GMT
I don't understand the innocent angle of " they shot an unarmed man ". A car is a weapon if driven aggressively and unsafely, just like a knife isn't a weapon if using it to prepare a meal, but is, if your trying to harm someone with it.
This isn't a case of police shoot unarmed black man but, police regrettably shoot a man who's behaviour could have put other lives at risk, at that time.
When you look at what he was connected to, I don't think the vast majority of black people will have much sympathy for him.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 22, 2024 12:11:04 GMT
Any lefties still lurking now?? Difficult one to try and defend now. What's more disturbing is we have sat a firearms officer on a potential life sentence for over 2 years. He's not a civilian with a gun. He's a highly trained firearms officer who acted lawfully. How can you put him and his family through 2 years of hell for trash like this bloke. If there was no case to answer the matter would not have gone to court. There clearly was a discrepancy between the video evidence and the police officer's statement. The matter was subject to the due process of the law (as it should have beem) and a jury has found him not guilty. Case (literally) closed. I'm sorry that the police officer and his family had to go through this but it is absolutely right and proper that they did. Whether Kabba was an innocent bystander or a dangerous thug is irrelevant. Armed police officers have to behave according to well defined protocols, as a society we we do not give police officers carte blanche to decide who should live and who should die. It's called the rule of law and you don't have to be left wing to understand that. |
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Post by ian57 on Oct 22, 2024 12:28:09 GMT
I’m glad that Martyn Blake has been found not guilty and I would not have shed a single tear if the two lads at Manchester airport had been shot also.
I do feel sorry for the lefties who have tried to turn kaba into a George Floyd clone but let them take the knee while the rest of us move on.
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Post by flea79 on Oct 22, 2024 12:39:41 GMT
Any lefties still lurking now?? Difficult one to try and defend now. What's more disturbing is we have sat a firearms officer on a potential life sentence for over 2 years. He's not a civilian with a gun. He's a highly trained firearms officer who acted lawfully. How can you put him and his family through 2 years of hell for trash like this bloke. If there was no case to answer the matter would not have gone to court. There clearly was a discrepancy between the video evidence and the police officer's statement. The matter was subject to the due process of the law (as it should have beem) and a jury has found him not guilty. Case (literally) closed. I'm sorry that the police officer and his family had to go through this but it is absolutely right and proper that they did. Whether Kabba was an innocent bystander or a dangerous thug is irrelevant. Armed police officers have to behave according to well defined protocols, as a society we we do not give police officers carte blanche to decide who should live and who should die. It's called the rule of law and you don't have to be left wing to understand that. i think in this case it was done too appease a community, there was small inconsistencies in the officers statement which given the stress and trauma of the situation is understandable and known phenomena after a high intensity situation the right decision was reached, when watched in real time the speed of the incident over 15-17 seconds is unbelievable, the officers doing this do not have the advantage of all angles of sight and being able to slow it down and analyse it in minute detail at the time |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 22, 2024 12:40:12 GMT
Any lefties still lurking now?? Difficult one to try and defend now. What's more disturbing is we have sat a firearms officer on a potential life sentence for over 2 years. He's not a civilian with a gun. He's a highly trained firearms officer who acted lawfully. How can you put him and his family through 2 years of hell for trash like this bloke. If there was no case to answer the matter would not have gone to court. There clearly was a discrepancy between the video evidence and the police officer's statement. The matter was subject to the due process of the law (as it should have beem) and a jury has found him not guilty. Case (literally) closed. I'm sorry that the police officer and his family had to go through this but it is absolutely right and proper that they did. Whether Kabba was an innocent bystander or a dangerous thug is irrelevant. Armed police officers have to behave according to well defined protocols, as a society we we do not give police officers carte blanche to decide who should live and who should die. It's called the rule of law and you don't have to be left wing to understand that. Understood... But 2 years??? Hes not a civilian with a gun. It's a highly trained firearms officer. If we want the best of the best to be entering our police forces you can not have ethical and legal deterrents like this. We are letting our Police Force down. |
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