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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 29, 2024 13:34:13 GMT
Players don't deserve the boos. They are playing in a weird system and simply don't seem to know what is expected of them. They try to play tikitaka in their own half to please the manager and fulfill his required amount of passes and then get rid of the ball and punt it long. I'm pretty sure that everyone of our players knows that this system ain't gonna work and it must be very frustrating to them being sent on the pitch to lose.
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Post by BrummiePotter on Sept 29, 2024 13:51:19 GMT
Agreed that booing isn’t the best motivator for players but how else are the fans supposed to show their dissatisfaction and to say to players that the performance isn’t acceptable, to the management that the tactics are atrocious and to the owners that they haven’t a clue. To be honest I don’t think the players take that much notice anyway, as they know that even when relegated they’ll get paid well and can move off to another club.
Worse than booing at the end of a game, a worse demotivator is the singing of “how s**t must you be we’re winning away/1-0/ whatever” - you know that by then the fans have given up.
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Post by stokie23 on Sept 29, 2024 13:55:00 GMT
Regretfully my appeal last week to stop booing our team failed and the players were accompanied by boos at the end of the Boro game. We have to stick with this new manager and players if we are to have any hope of moving forward and away from the annual foot of the table end of season farce. Lets be fair the manager has been in charge for two weeks and none of the players were signed or recommended by him. We try again on Wednesday and its another chance to try and give help to both players and manager, giving belief and perhaps confidence. Please do as I would request the players dig deep and give it your very best of support it will be a great help, and if we can finally get out of this dismal run who knows we may just see more positive results going forward. C'mon Stoke !!!! Totally missing the point. Were the fans booing because we lost, absolutely not ! We have no devine right to win every week. There was a real lack of effort and aggression, once again. I believe this is partly down to them not fully understand their roles and being caught in two minds but nevertheless, you have to press as a team, you need to tackle with force, be a willing runner when attacking, track back to help your teammates. Our ‘star players’ have really let us down in the first 7 games.. |
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Post by femark on Sept 29, 2024 13:56:53 GMT
There’s a bloke who sits next to me at the match that constantly shouts “forwards”, “go long” etc until we do send it long and lose the ball.
Then he shouts “fucking useless” and mutters to himself.
Sounds like a lot of people on here are the same.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 29, 2024 13:57:42 GMT
Wasn’t at the game but by the sound of those that went, they were fully within their right to boo.
No point clapping a truly awful performance, no matter how many games a managers had
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 29, 2024 14:04:10 GMT
Wasn’t at the game but by the sound of those that went, they were fully within their right to boo. No point clapping a truly awful performance, no matter how many games a managers had Spot on. If the likes of Burger wants applause he may want to contemplate breaking sweat? As embarrassing a personal display yesterday as I've seen in five decades of watching us. |
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Post by thehoof on Sept 29, 2024 14:08:52 GMT
Players don't deserve the boos. They are playing in a weird system and simply don't seem to know what is expected of them. They try to play tikitaka in their own half to please the manager and fulfill his required amount of passes and then get rid of the ball and punt it long. I'm pretty sure that everyone of our players knows that this system ain't gonna work and it must be very frustrating to them being sent on the pitch to lose. They must be incredibly dumb if they can’t think for themselves, when things are clearly not working. |
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Post by sticky on Sept 29, 2024 14:35:54 GMT
Players don't deserve the boos. They are playing in a weird system and simply don't seem to know what is expected of them. They try to play tikitaka in their own half to please the manager and fulfill his required amount of passes and then get rid of the ball and punt it long. I'm pretty sure that everyone of our players knows that this system ain't gonna work and it must be very frustrating to them being sent on the pitch to lose. They must be incredibly dumb if they can’t think for themselves, when things are clearly not working. Absolutely, you shouldn’t need to be xavi to pass the ball a few times, they’re professional footballers at the end of the day, its their job and a well paid one at that |
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 29, 2024 14:47:20 GMT
Players don't deserve the boos. They are playing in a weird system and simply don't seem to know what is expected of them. They try to play tikitaka in their own half to please the manager and fulfill his required amount of passes and then get rid of the ball and punt it long. I'm pretty sure that everyone of our players knows that this system ain't gonna work and it must be very frustrating to them being sent on the pitch to lose. They must be incredibly dumb if they can’t think for themselves, when things are clearly not working. Young players tend to follow managers instructions more carefully than seasoned pro's. I agree though that they should play more against managers instructions if the his tactics don't work at all.. but then again that would be not ideal situation either. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2024 14:51:11 GMT
We shouldn't be booing. It's counterproductive. On the contrary it will be highly productive as it will help to hasten the departures of Walters and Pelach |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 29, 2024 14:53:02 GMT
Booing our young players won't help them at all they need our full support. Booing only costs us more points, nothing positive ever comes from it. It's not their fault they are just learning a new way of playing, it's not the managers fault he just needs to keep drilling information into the players until they know their roles better. If people want to boo they should stand outside the club on the carpark and boo the owners.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 29, 2024 14:55:12 GMT
Agreed that booing isn’t the best motivator for players but how else are the fans supposed to show their dissatisfaction and to say to players that the performance isn’t acceptable, to the management that the tactics are atrocious and to the owners that they haven’t a clue. To be honest I don’t think the players take that much notice anyway, as they know that even when relegated they’ll get paid well and can move off to another club. Worse than booing at the end of a game, a worse demotivator is the singing of “how s**t must you be we’re winning away/1-0/ whatever” - you know that by then the fans have given up. The players are trying, they are young and they need motivation from the fans not abuse. Boo the owners they have put us in this mess, you don't need to do that during the match they are at the club all week |
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Post by bjarnig on Sept 29, 2024 14:57:29 GMT
When I see players not trying to play with any aggression or attempt to make tackles and run then I'll boo them.
Those players deserved a boo yesterday. The manager can't control them not trying.
In my 44 years of attending games yesterday was high up on the list of awful performances. I will not be going again.
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Post by mcw on Sept 29, 2024 15:04:26 GMT
Any player that can’t stand or learn to take criticism as a motivator to prove people wrong is not going to make it as a professional to any decent level. If booing this team because of the shite either they or the coach are serving up is too much for them, then booing or not booing isn’t going to make a blind bit of difference. I’d hope that the coach and the more senior players listened and thought we’d better get this sorted and use it as motivation to do better every time they step out onto the pitch.
Apathetically sitting there and saying nothing (as I can’t believe even the most ardent fan could clap that shower off) is also everyone’s right, but that’s providing no feedback at all.
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 29, 2024 16:02:15 GMT
The whole clubs embarrassing at the minute, fans heavily included in that.
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Post by potters11 on Sept 29, 2024 16:04:14 GMT
The whole clubs embarrassing at the minute, fans heavily included in that. Especially those that sit down at away matches. |
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Post by Davef on Sept 29, 2024 16:07:48 GMT
The whole clubs embarrassing at the minute, fans heavily included in that. A following of 1,300 at Middlesbrough to watch that dirge is most certainly not embarrassing. |
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Post by jm on Sept 29, 2024 16:09:28 GMT
It was no worse than the performances at Oxford or Watford
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Post by premieraj on Sept 29, 2024 16:24:01 GMT
I do wonder when people may realise it’s simply the players assembled are not good enough. Someone posted the league doesn’t lie it doesn’t it’s a reflection of the quality of the team.
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Post by raythesailor on Sept 29, 2024 16:33:10 GMT
I fear for Wednesday night v Portsmouth.
Another dire performance and the atmosphere could become toxic. At the last home game it is alleged that there were numerous arguments on the terraces.
Personally I think I have now become immune and may not bother attending.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 29, 2024 16:44:32 GMT
I do wonder when people may realise it’s simply the players assembled are not good enough. Someone posted the league doesn’t lie it doesn’t it’s a reflection of the quality of the team. I do think we have some good players, they just aren't a team! |
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Post by premieraj on Sept 29, 2024 16:46:08 GMT
I do wonder when people may realise it’s simply the players assembled are not good enough. Someone posted the league doesn’t lie it doesn’t it’s a reflection of the quality of the team. I do think we have some good players, they just aren't a team! I agree but from yesterday can you really start more than the GK and Millie? Maybe Koumas but he’s a young lad? |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 29, 2024 16:49:50 GMT
I do think we have some good players, they just aren't a team! I agree but from yesterday can you really start more than the GK and Millie? Maybe Koumas but he’s a young lad? Yep that's the problem and I don't think all that passing around the penalty area will help them form into a team |
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 29, 2024 16:53:06 GMT
I do wonder when people may realise it’s simply the players assembled are not good enough. Someone posted the league doesn’t lie it doesn’t it’s a reflection of the quality of the team. They were good enough for Schumacher. We were firmly heading to the mid table finish including a decent cup run. |
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Post by premieraj on Sept 29, 2024 16:53:09 GMT
I agree but from yesterday can you really start more than the GK and Millie? Maybe Koumas but he’s a young lad? Yep that's the problem and I don't think all that passing around the penalty area will help them form into a team I agree that’s why he has to temporarily change the system to win and odd game to keep his job and give him time to try to work his way. I am sure you could find a solid team to go give pompey a game? |
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Post by stokemark on Sept 29, 2024 16:56:58 GMT
Yesterday was a ridiculous, unnecessary and quite frankly pathetic attempt at trying to do 'something different' from a head coach who is totally out of his depth
If John Walter's has anything about him he would have made it clear to Pelach that a period of transition was totally acceptable until players who could fit his system had been acquired.
It's an utter car crash trying to play this way with what we have at the moment and I can't believe Walter's is that stupid to have allowed it to happen.
The frustration by supporters reflects the abject failure of leadership to manage this great club properly and is not aimed at players more so the leadership which is an embarrassment.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 29, 2024 17:49:16 GMT
Ridiculous really, how long has he been in charge - 10/11 days? Has to try and get a win on Wednesday though by any means possible otherwise we slip into the bottom 3 and there will be hell to pay on here and at the match  Guy looks like he is working his nads off and making the players do the same, not had this sort of work ethic since Pulis and did he lose his first 6 matches 1-0 or am I dreaming that up? Let's hope the ard work pays off again sometime soon - it normally does in life. The nature of all our defeats this season have been worrying including the ones pre the new manager |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 29, 2024 17:57:40 GMT
I wish they wouldn't do this at the final whistle.
If we lose please don't purposely make your way over, it really doesn't help.
Clap from a distance then off you go
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2024 18:34:54 GMT
It was no worse than the performances at Oxford or Watford Definitely was And they were bad |
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Post by stokemark on Sept 29, 2024 18:46:26 GMT
Ridiculous really, how long has he been in charge - 10/11 days? Has to try and get a win on Wednesday though by any means possible otherwise we slip into the bottom 3 and there will be hell to pay on here and at the match Guy looks like he is working his nads off and making the players do the same, not had this sort of work ethic since Pulis and did he lose his first 6 matches 1-0 or am I dreaming that up? Let's hope the ard work pays off again sometime soon - it normally does in life. The nature of all our defeats this season have been worrying including the ones pre the new manager Yes absolutely ridiculous for exactly that reason. Walter's should have made it clear to him to do things slowly and not try and push system onto a group of players who are not good enough to play it. |
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