Vidigal

[Squeekster]

Oct 5, 2024 20:01:25 GMT benjaminbiscuit said:

I thought he was awful and why on earth he didn’t pass to Moran who is a much better position when he shot ( back passed )  pathetically again god  only knows .

One of the shots he did try to pass to to Moran I think it was, on the overlap but it hit a defender and fell right in his path so he hit it, thought he looked okay today.

[chamberlain]

Oct 6, 2024 8:32:30 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Oct 6, 2024 7:53:32 GMT worcsstokie15 said:

That is incredible if true. I’m finding it hard to believe that the lead member of coaching staff would be late to training. How on earth could he discipline Vidigal and Mmaee like he did if he himself was repeatedly late?

I normally wouldn’t believe stuff like that but Dave is usually right so that makes me think it could be true.

Fits into what I saw from him tbh.

We really need to move on from him though. He was an absolute nothing manager for us either which way.

Pity this isn't on the SS thread , I've only just seen this buried in the Vidigal thread.

[VolvicStokie]

I'm happy he's getting another chance as there is quite clearly a player in there...

But I'll be honest, currently he looks like he's won a raffle to play in the team for 10 minutes every game!

[mcw]

Oct 6, 2024 9:39:30 GMT VolvicStokie said:

I'm happy he's getting another chance as there is quite clearly a player in there...

But I'll be honest, currently he looks like he's won a raffle to play in the team for 10 minutes every game!

Same, there is something there even if it is just an option off the bench. Needs to calm down a bit I think, overplaying when he doesn’t have the time and snatching at shots when he does have time.

[y_oh_y_delilah]

If we’re ever going to progress, Andre Vidigal is not the answer.
League One standard at best.
Time to move on imho.

[bayernoatcake]

Didn’t watch yesterday but thought he was busy against Portsmouth.

He just looked like had hadn’t played for months and that he was trying too hard.

But he wanted the ball and was taking shots and was trying. He looked very rusty but that will come as he trains and plays more.

[thisisouryear]

When fitter and sharper he will be a useful player for us. He is a half decent striker who needed coaching, hopefully Narcis is the man to get the best out of him. He's giving him opportunities so must see something in him

[lordb]

Oct 6, 2024 11:11:30 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Didn’t watch yesterday but thought he was busy against Portsmouth.

He just looked like had hadn’t played for months and that he was trying too hard.

But he wanted the ball and was taking shots and was trying. He looked very rusty but that will come as he trains and plays more.

same again v Swansea
I think that's why the comments re yesterdays performance are so wide ranging, visibly keen so that's a good thing, shooting perhaps when he shouldn't but hey he's shooting & we know he can score
handy cheap squad player like Thompson & Bonham
much better than show horning a non winger out wide, very 4th choice behind Million,Koumas & Junho, if he's happy to be that then no problem
He'll have a moment at some point where he bags a winner

[OldStokie]

Now he seems to have sorted his 'problems' out and until we sign someone better, he's a decent squad player.

OS.

[terryconroysmagic]

Oct 6, 2024 7:26:49 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Oct 6, 2024 6:54:49 GMT clarkeda said:

Care to elaborate?

He was often late, or didn’t turn up at all and the Brian Clough approach to management wasn’t working. When he did turn up, the sessions laid on by him and his staff were of a poor standard and the players were bored.

Wow

You’re usually on the mark with stuff like this Dave.

Incredible if true.

Strange it’s only coming out now though, did you know previously or recently.

Any chance this could be some Club “black ops” propaganda?

[davejohnno1]

Oct 6, 2024 12:46:13 GMT terryconroysmagic said:

Oct 6, 2024 7:26:49 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He was often late, or didn’t turn up at all and the Brian Clough approach to management wasn’t working. When he did turn up, the sessions laid on by him and his staff were of a poor standard and the players were bored.

Wow

You’re usually on the mark with stuff like this Dave.

Incredible if true.

Strange it’s only coming out now though, did you know previously or recently.

Any chance this could be some Club “black ops” propaganda?

I’d heard about it during pre season and I heard a very funny story about the Vidigal fall out which I didn’t think could possibly be true, but maybe it actually was!

[stokiegav]

Oct 6, 2024 13:53:22 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Oct 6, 2024 12:46:13 GMT terryconroysmagic said:

Wow

You’re usually on the mark with stuff like this Dave.

Incredible if true.

Strange it’s only coming out now though, did you know previously or recently.

Any chance this could be some Club “black ops” propaganda?

I’d heard about it during pre season and I heard a very funny story about the Vidigal fall out which I didn’t think could possibly be true, but maybe it actually was!

Care to elaborate?

Please.....

[stokiedan17]

Oct 6, 2024 13:53:22 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Oct 6, 2024 12:46:13 GMT terryconroysmagic said:

Wow

You’re usually on the mark with stuff like this Dave.

Incredible if true.

Strange it’s only coming out now though, did you know previously or recently.

Any chance this could be some Club “black ops” propaganda?

I’d heard about it during pre season and I heard a very funny story about the Vidigal fall out which I didn’t think could possibly be true, but maybe it actually was!

I’ve heard something in regards to him vidigal and Mmae which if true I’m surprised we kept him on for as long as we did. But also contributed to why he was sacked.

I take it with a pinch of salt because this sort of thing I’d find it hard to keep quiet and something would have leaked to the press.

[Staffsoatcake]

He shoots when others pass it back or make the wrong pass & the chance as gone.
We know from last season he can score.

[pavel]

Oct 6, 2024 12:46:13 GMT terryconroysmagic said:

Oct 6, 2024 7:26:49 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He was often late, or didn’t turn up at all and the Brian Clough approach to management wasn’t working. When he did turn up, the sessions laid on by him and his staff were of a poor standard and the players were bored.

Wow

You’re usually on the mark with stuff like this Dave.

Incredible if true.

Strange it’s only coming out now though, did you know previously or recently.

Any chance this could be some Club “black ops” propaganda?

It doesn’t seem to fit with his time at Plymouth and how he was well respected there. I take all these things with a pinch of salt no matter who it comes from even if it comes from a poster I respect.

Surely he would have gone at the end of last season if the scenario had have been true.

[gingerninja]

I think it would have been really tough to get rid of him after the last few games, especially the thumping 4-0 last day victory. I would imagine he was probably told he needed to buck up his ideas. Dave Johnno is normally cock on when he posts.

[pavel]

Oct 6, 2024 15:20:27 GMT gingerninja said:

I think it would have been really tough to get rid of him after the last few games, especially the thumping 4-0 last day victory. I would imagine he was probably told he needed to buck up his ideas. Dave Johnno is normally cock on when he posts.

The reality is we will never know what really happened and that’s the problem with these scenarios, we’ve had the rumours about Walters and rumours about Schumacher, it’s all rumour until either the club or Schumacher clarify the situation and that is extremely unlikely to ever happen.

[spitthedog]

Oct 6, 2024 11:28:57 GMT lordb said:

Oct 6, 2024 11:11:30 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Didn’t watch yesterday but thought he was busy against Portsmouth.

He just looked like had hadn’t played for months and that he was trying too hard.

But he wanted the ball and was taking shots and was trying. He looked very rusty but that will come as he trains and plays more.

same again v Swansea
I think that's why the comments re yesterdays performance are so wide ranging, visibly keen so that's a good thing, shooting perhaps when he shouldn't but hey he's shooting & we know he can score
handy cheap squad player like Thompson & Bonham
much better than show horning a non winger out wide, very 4th choice behind Million,Koumas & Junho, if he's happy to be that then no problem
He'll have a moment at some point where he bags a winner

Vidigal certainly put in more commitment and was more effective than Koumas yesterday. I have liked Koumas so far but yesterday he looked like he couldn't be arsed to break sweat and was fortunate to last the 54 minutes he played. He was a big reason why our full back was left so exposed.
I imagine at half time the manager told him he was going to give him 10 minutes to show something. Well he lasted 9 of those.
Given this new managers emphasis on work ethic, I'll be surprised if Koumas starts the next game, with the other options we have.
Million was excellent though in all respects. He's one of the best players in the Championship already. There will be some Prem teams watching him I'm pretty sure.

[stiggerstackle]

Oct 6, 2024 22:20:25 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 6, 2024 11:28:57 GMT lordb said:

same again v Swansea
I think that's why the comments re yesterdays performance are so wide ranging, visibly keen so that's a good thing, shooting perhaps when he shouldn't but hey he's shooting & we know he can score
handy cheap squad player like Thompson & Bonham
much better than show horning a non winger out wide, very 4th choice behind Million,Koumas & Junho, if he's happy to be that then no problem
He'll have a moment at some point where he bags a winner

Vidigal certainly put in more commitment and was more effective than Koumas yesterday. I have liked Koumas so far but yesterday he looked like he couldn't be arsed to break sweat and was fortunate to last the 54 minutes he played. He was a big reason why our full back was left so exposed.
I imagine at half time the manager told him he was going to give him 10 minutes to show something. Well he lasted 9 of those.
Given this new managers emphasis on work ethic, I'll be surprised if Koumas starts the next game, with the other options we have.
Million was excellent though in all respects. He's one of the best players in the Championship already. There will be some Prem teams watching him I'm pretty sure.

Koumas literally ran himself into the ground on Wednesday though, I know he's a young lad but not sure 2 days is enough to recover properly from that level of exertion?

[spitthedog]

Oct 7, 2024 9:14:26 GMT stiggerstackle said:

Oct 6, 2024 22:20:25 GMT spitthedog said:

Vidigal certainly put in more commitment and was more effective than Koumas yesterday. I have liked Koumas so far but yesterday he looked like he couldn't be arsed to break sweat and was fortunate to last the 54 minutes he played. He was a big reason why our full back was left so exposed.
I imagine at half time the manager told him he was going to give him 10 minutes to show something. Well he lasted 9 of those.
Given this new managers emphasis on work ethic, I'll be surprised if Koumas starts the next game, with the other options we have.
Million was excellent though in all respects. He's one of the best players in the Championship already. There will be some Prem teams watching him I'm pretty sure.

Koumas literally ran himself into the ground on Wednesday though, I know he's a young lad but not sure 2 days is enough to recover properly from that level of exertion?

That may be the explanation, which is fine. Just saying he wasn't able to do his job well on Saturday whatever the reason. We improved significantly after the subs. They made subs too, but obviously they weren't as well equipped as ours, which is a positive sign.

[george2again]

Oct 6, 2024 22:20:25 GMT spitthedog said:

Oct 6, 2024 11:28:57 GMT lordb said:

same again v Swansea
I think that's why the comments re yesterdays performance are so wide ranging, visibly keen so that's a good thing, shooting perhaps when he shouldn't but hey he's shooting & we know he can score
handy cheap squad player like Thompson & Bonham
much better than show horning a non winger out wide, very 4th choice behind Million,Koumas & Junho, if he's happy to be that then no problem
He'll have a moment at some point where he bags a winner

Vidigal certainly put in more commitment and was more effective than Koumas yesterday. I have liked Koumas so far but yesterday he looked like he couldn't be arsed to break sweat and was fortunate to last the 54 minutes he played. He was a big reason why our full back was left so exposed.
I imagine at half time the manager told him he was going to give him 10 minutes to show something. Well he lasted 9 of those.
Given this new managers emphasis on work ethic, I'll be surprised if Koumas starts the next game, with the other options we have.
Million was excellent though in all respects. He's one of the best players in the Championship already. There will be some Prem teams watching him I'm pretty sure.

Not comment on Koumas being played completely out of position and also our Korean magician.Playing wide in a midfield 4 is completely different than playing in a front 3 and it showed on Saturday. Both were poor and caught between roles for me.

[lordb]

Oct 7, 2024 10:19:37 GMT george2again said:

Oct 6, 2024 22:20:25 GMT spitthedog said:

Vidigal certainly put in more commitment and was more effective than Koumas yesterday. I have liked Koumas so far but yesterday he looked like he couldn't be arsed to break sweat and was fortunate to last the 54 minutes he played. He was a big reason why our full back was left so exposed.
I imagine at half time the manager told him he was going to give him 10 minutes to show something. Well he lasted 9 of those.
Given this new managers emphasis on work ethic, I'll be surprised if Koumas starts the next game, with the other options we have.
Million was excellent though in all respects. He's one of the best players in the Championship already. There will be some Prem teams watching him I'm pretty sure.

Not comment on Koumas being played completely out of position and also our Korean magician.Playing wide in a midfield 4 is completely different than playing in a front 3 and it showed on Saturday. Both were poor and caught between roles for me.

He didn't play out of position he played wide right

[biglad180]

Vidigal is a stoke player time to get behind him and back him,