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Post by Abdoulaye25 on Sept 21, 2024 6:37:11 GMT
We seem to have made numerous bad hires because those people were confident talkers even if they were spewing complete BS and didn’t fit what was needed (Martin, Walters, various managers). Martin in particular spoke with confidence but reached David Brent levels of BS. There’s no strategy just random new hires when things don’t go well.
I’m pretty sure that Coates would be a used car salesman’s dream. Talk up the worst car on the lot and he’d be a willing buyer.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 21, 2024 6:48:29 GMT
The Fool Reversed Tarot Card Key Meanings: Recklessness, carelessness, negligence, stupidity, distraction, apathy, irrationality, lack of fun, hope or faith
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 21, 2024 6:53:46 GMT
The Fool Reversed Tarot Card Key Meanings: Recklessness, carelessness, negligence, stupidity, distraction, apathy, irrationality, lack of fun, hope or faith Is that the chairman or supporters Probably both
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Post by pavel on Sept 21, 2024 6:59:25 GMT
Never does his homework, sticks when he should twist and jumps when he should pause and think. A follower not a leader.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 11:00:27 GMT
Is he too involved in the running of the club?
I know he owns the club,but how many times do we see him with the coaches & other backroom staff?
I bet most couldn't tell you who owns which club,because you hardly see or hear of them,yet most supporters could tell you who owns Stoke.
The only time he needs to be heard,is when if things are going wrong,he sacks whoever is ti blame,or when we get promoted or win something.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 21, 2024 11:01:45 GMT
He is certainly the common denominator in our decline
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Post by skip on Sept 21, 2024 11:14:16 GMT
Rather than the old adage of too many cooks, Stoke appears to be run by roughly half a dozen people, and that includes the one who does stuff like the Fan Zone and the increasingly bizarre given the circumstances, the pre-match flashing lights.
We don't have enough smart people around a table with John Coates helping make smart short and medium term decisions. It's like every season is the first, and let's just see how it goes. As a business, Stoke City is rudderless.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 21, 2024 11:19:27 GMT
One things for sure. If the criticism is leveled at him he will fire both the coach and Walters in a heartbeat.
He will not have criticism aimed at him
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 21, 2024 13:13:01 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems And why do you think the girls would have allowed you to shag them? A pillock thing to say.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2024 13:28:24 GMT
Well actually I did get to shag one of them . But it was after I left the company
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 21, 2024 14:51:00 GMT
One things for sure. If the criticism is leveled at him he will fire both the coach and Walters in a heartbeat. He will not have criticism aimed at him Well that’s the problem right there. Any good boss I have worked with, has always been mature enough to accept constructive criticism and to strive to improve and grow. It’s an integral part of being a functioning adult. If the top boss blames everyone else all the time, the club isn’t a psychologically safe workplace for anyone - players, coaching staff, DoF etc. No wonder we have been so shit for so long!
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2024 14:55:59 GMT
He is certainly the common denominator in our decline I said that on another thread. Has he ever had an actual management job? It certainly doesn’t look like it.
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 21, 2024 16:01:10 GMT
He is certainly the common denominator in our decline Have a similar thing at work. Those at the very top are possibly the worst judges of character I’ve ever come across and keep employing managers who are not fit to lace the boots of the experienced people in the company who actually just get on with it and make the company function. Difference is these “wonder managers” are all talk and no action. What happens - they get found out after a year and leave or are pushed. Interviews start again for the managers and another gobshite gets the job and the whole cycle starts again - it’s pretty much what is happening with our club too. I come to the conclusion if all sits with JC who employs these gobshites.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 22, 2024 7:41:58 GMT
the buck always stops at the top , 8yrs of shite and all we do is rinse and repeat, though this feels different this time 🤷♂️
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 22, 2024 9:49:23 GMT
They have to stick to something and see it through, we have not just changed managers but each change has brought a different style of play and different demands on players , as well as manager turnover being too high , so has player turnover .
I hope this works , not sure it will suit Stoke , I would have been delighted if Eustace had replaced Neil because I think he fits the identity of the area but we have to give it a period of stability , even if we go down which is certainly a possibility once again , hopefully he can avoid it but with such a frustrated fan base together with a inexperienced manager and team cannot be ruled out
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 22, 2024 11:30:34 GMT
the buck always stops at the top , 8yrs of shite and all we do is rinse and repeat, though this feels different this time 🤷♂️ Yes, we've just flushed the whole lot down the bog! 😅
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Post by tuum on Sept 22, 2024 15:18:18 GMT
It seems everyone wants to lay the blame for our demise at the foot of JC. He was only appointed chairman 4 years ago and even then it was as joint chairman with his Dad. We got relegated in 2018...just saying. None of the managers we have employed in the last 8 years are in any way to blame. It's all 100% down to JC.. that's seem to be the crux of it as far as I can tell from reading comments on this MB.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 22, 2024 16:11:48 GMT
He is certainly the common denominator in our decline Have a similar thing at work. Those at the very top are possibly the worst judges of character I’ve ever come across and keep employing managers who are not fit to lace the boots of the experienced people in the company who actually just get on with it and make the company function. Difference is these “wonder managers” are all talk and no action. What happens - they get found out after a year and leave or are pushed. Interviews start again for the managers and another gobshite gets the job and the whole cycle starts again - it’s pretty much what is happening with our club too. I come to the conclusion if all sits with JC who employs these gobshites. Life is full of them, full of people who talk the talk but have no track record of walking the walk. I know NHS managers on £90k a year who are some of the most uninspiring people you could meet.
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Post by jokker on Sept 22, 2024 16:25:50 GMT
All Stoke's managers speak highly of Coates, They would, wouldn't they, with the wages they are getting, and the money to spend (except in O'Neill's time)? Yes, but those ex-managers continue to sing the praises of them after they have left. Pulis, of course, but also Rowett, Hughes, Jones, O'Neill, and now Schuhmacher. I can't think of any ex-staffer who's criticised them, or said they were made promises that the chairmen didn't keep.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 22, 2024 16:40:17 GMT
John Coates was in the Coop late last Sunday night buying a whole load of sandwiches.
So chief sandwich buyer is his role maybe?
Although he probably got the wrong ones.
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Post by clivey05 on Sept 22, 2024 16:41:52 GMT
I think the fact he is a Stoke fan and is desperate to do well, it actually hinders his decision making. We all know how great the Coates family are for Stoke off field, but over the last 10 years, John Coates has proved time and again he is not upto the decision making that can make a club successful on the pitch. His great idea now, is to have the most inexperienced group in the league, from the sporting director, to the manager and the players.
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Post by onepara on Sept 22, 2024 17:00:35 GMT
Just keep this in mind. From all accounts, J.C. is worth £3.2billion pounds. So he doesn't have to sell this Club to anyone. He could just fold it. Just hope that he doesn't get fed up of people calling him out all the time. That's if he is told what is being said about him on this M.B, or social media, or he reads it himself. He doesn't need the money from a sale. He could just pay off everyone, & go & live how he wants to. His father is an old man now, & won't have any input. His sister has no interest in this Club. She has 3 children, who again have no interest in football. So there's no legacy. That's the real world.
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Post by frasier37 on Sept 22, 2024 17:11:14 GMT
Just keep this in mind. From all accounts, J.C. is worth £3.2billion pounds. So he doesn't have to sell this Club to anyone. He could just fold it. Just hope that he doesn't get fed up of people calling him out all the time. That's if he is told what is being said about him on this M.B, or social media, or he reads it himself. He doesn't need the money from a sale. He could just pay off everyone, & go & live how he wants to. His father is an old man now, & won't have any input. His sister has no interest in this Club. She has 3 children, who again have no interest in football. So there's no legacy. That's the real world.
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 22, 2024 17:25:19 GMT
Just keep this in mind. From all accounts, J.C. is worth £3.2billion pounds. So he doesn't have to sell this Club to anyone. He could just fold it. Just hope that he doesn't get fed up of people calling him out all the time. That's if he is told what is being said about him on this M.B, or social media, or he reads it himself. He doesn't need the money from a sale. He could just pay off everyone, & go & live how he wants to. His father is an old man now, & won't have any input. His sister has no interest in this Club. She has 3 children, who again have no interest in football. So there's no legacy. That's the real world. So you're saying that the Coates ARE the club and once they're gone SCFC will cease to exist? Absolute nonsense. There was an SCFC long before the Coates family and there'll be one long after they're gone.
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Post by onepara on Sept 22, 2024 18:53:26 GMT
Just keep this in mind. From all accounts, J.C. is worth £3.2billion pounds. So he doesn't have to sell this Club to anyone. He could just fold it. Just hope that he doesn't get fed up of people calling him out all the time. That's if he is told what is being said about him on this M.B, or social media, or he reads it himself. He doesn't need the money from a sale. He could just pay off everyone, & go & live how he wants to. His father is an old man now, & won't have any input. His sister has no interest in this Club. She has 3 children, who again have no interest in football. So there's no legacy. That's the real world. So you're saying that the Coates ARE the club and once they're gone SCFC will cease to exist? Absolute nonsense. There was an SCFC long before the Coates family and there'll be one long after they're gone. They weren't the owners then, but they are now. If someone keeps hitting you over the head with a stick, you move away. Whether you like it or not, as long as they own the Club, then they ARE the Club. As I said, if he so wishes he could just walk away. He doesn't need the hassle, & he can certainly afford to.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 22, 2024 18:55:29 GMT
All Stoke's managers speak highly of Coates, They would, wouldn't they, with the wages they are getting, and the money to spend (except in O'Neill's time)? Yes, but those ex-managers continue to sing the praises of them after they have left. Pulis, of course, but also Rowett, Hughes, Jones, O'Neill, and now Schuhmacher. I can't think of any ex-staffer who's criticised them, or said they were made promises that the chairmen didn't keep. Are they all still on the payroll...... 😁
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 22, 2024 18:55:31 GMT
Someone is making the wrong decisions , whoever that is , reading via the second tier podcast that Stoke looked at replacing Schumacher twice during last season , if true why did they give him the summer or why employ him, you cannot keep changing , not just managers but style every year and hope something will work out
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 23, 2024 10:09:46 GMT
Honestly not confident that a head coach can operate at stoke under our current club structure. The level of intricacy that it will demand, all parts working together optimally... Then look at our club structure ..... How can it even work? Recruitment is a disaster. Can he really coach these players????????? I hope he doesn't lose his shit like mad Nath for example It's an interesting question, which depends partly on the respective roles of the head coach and the D of F, and partly on the willingness of key people to work together and respect each other. Even in the strange world of football, SS sacking was unusual in several respects. It came immediately after the closure of a transfer window so the new head coach could have no input into recruitment at this stage; and there was very little discontent in the fan base calling for a change - rather the reverse, most fans, me included, were astonished by the decision and its timing. It was also unusual in the willingness, even the enthusiasm, of SJW to publicly own the decision. Instead of the normal relatively brief statement from the Club or the Chairman, we had a newly-appointed D of F commenting about his willingness to take tough decisions etc etc Why did he feel the need to do that ? Narcis' extended interview with the Club media showed that he has the gift of the gab, but he wasn't asked the key questions which an independent journalist might have asked, i.e will you have complete control of team selection and tactics ? What will be your role in player recruitment - will have the final say on that ? Unless there is absolute clarity on those which all parties accept it could all go wrong again next time there is an Oxford-type performance which the D of F is unhappy about. I also found the interview a bit odd in other respects - e.g his talk of how he could see it in the eyes of JC and SJW how much they love the club. It was almost as if he was talking about inseparable twins, not the Chairman and another employee. I watched the TV coverage of the Hull game which had a very positive feature about the work of the Community Trust, which boss, Adrian Hurst has recently lost his job after 30+ years at the Club. I would like to give tribute and thanks to him for his work over the years, including support he has given to Nello, among others. Given the positive TV piece, he must have done something right. The feature included a contribution from SJW. I though that was odd because I wouldn't have thought that the Community Trust would come under his remit as opposed to Simon King ? I may be reading too much into all this, but I also thought it odd that he watched the game for the front row of the Director's box next to the Chairman. You might normally expect that the other Directors to be there ? SJW certainly seems to be at the centre of everything at the moment. As fans, of course we will get behind the team and the new Head Coach and hope that things will improve on the pitch, and that there is a period of stability off it.
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Post by jokker on Sept 23, 2024 11:33:21 GMT
I also thought it odd that he watched the game for the front row of the Director's box next to the Chairman. You might normally expect that the other Directors to be there ? SJW certainly seems to be at the centre of everything at the moment. There may be a new structure, but we did have an employee moved on to the board a few years ago, and techically he has never been replaced, when he was snatched by the FA. So does JW have his sight on that position too...?
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Post by seths on Sept 23, 2024 12:22:23 GMT
I’ve said on several occasions that I think when it comes to football. John is extraordinarily naive and just seems to believe most of what he has been told at face value, pivoting violently if he hears something he thinks is more convincing. It’s very easy to see why he was taken in by Ricky Martin for instance, a man who now looks like his only route back into football is Carlisle. Him and his dad were impressed by Paul Lambert because he did a good presentation. I don’t know what his role is, but he’s been heavily involved in Football operations by his own admission, sitting on the technical board when MON was here etc and clearly has a close working relationship with Walters. What can be said without any conjecture is since he joined the football club we’ve fallen from 9th in the Premier League and a cup semi final to 17th in the second tier, narrowly avoided point deductions and are now onto our 7th manager in 6 years. His money makes him untouchable, but I really don’t know how much more evidence people need that the guy simply cannot run a football club. If he was any use he'd be running Bet365.
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