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Post by skip on Sept 17, 2024 14:45:03 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems Maybe Oxford was the final chance. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 17, 2024 14:49:25 GMT
Okay, just over 3 weeks ago Walters and SS had a big falling out. I have not been told why. Since that falling out they have not spoken to each other. At half time at Oxford, something went off with the players. Pretty profound I hear and the players were not happy. It appears SS did not travel back on the team coach. If this is correct then it appears that Walters and SS were not going to work together. Also before any of this and before Walters came there was a meeting between SS and Coates about players he could sign in the Jan window. This was rejected by SS and he said didn't want any of those. We ended up signing Ennis and Manhoef. Relations had strained between Coates and SS to a point where Walters was appointed to oversee things. At the end of the day, like all managers JC hired them and fired them. As an explanation for what's happened that makes sense but how do you know this? |
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Post by femark on Sept 17, 2024 14:50:57 GMT
Okay, just over 3 weeks ago Walters and SS had a big falling out. I have not been told why. Since that falling out they have not spoken to each other. At half time at Oxford, something went off with the players. Pretty profound I hear and the players were not happy. It appears SS did not travel back on the team coach. If this is correct then it appears that Walters and SS were not going to work together. Also before any of this and before Walters came there was a meeting between SS and Coates about players he could sign in the Jan window. This was rejected by SS and he said didn't want any of those. We ended up signing Ennis and Manhoef. Relations had strained between Coates and SS to a point where Walters was appointed to oversee things. At the end of the day, like all managers JC hired them and fired them. Remember to start with: Ladies and Gentlemen: The story you are about to hear is not true. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 17, 2024 17:20:16 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems Fully understand where you are coming from having been in a similar situation. Think the flaw in your conjecture is thinking of John Coates as a businessman. Where would he be without Peter and more importantly Denise. It seems a smart move by Bet365 to set him free with Stoke City rather than have to hold his hand. Can't see him opposing a strong character. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 17, 2024 17:27:21 GMT
Coates appointed a DOF, or Sporting Director, whatever the title is, and now he's letting him do the job he was appointed to do.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2024 17:44:31 GMT
Okay, just over 3 weeks ago Walters and SS had a big falling out. I have not been told why. Since that falling out they have not spoken to each other. At half time at Oxford, something went off with the players. Pretty profound I hear and the players were not happy. It appears SS did not travel back on the team coach. If this is correct then it appears that Walters and SS were not going to work together. Also before any of this and before Walters came there was a meeting between SS and Coates about players he could sign in the Jan window. This was rejected by SS and he said didn't want any of those. We ended up signing Ennis and Manhoef. Relations had strained between Coates and SS to a point where Walters was appointed to oversee things. At the end of the day, like all managers JC hired them and fired them. This all true mate? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2024 17:46:59 GMT
Okay, just over 3 weeks ago Walters and SS had a big falling out. I have not been told why. Since that falling out they have not spoken to each other. At half time at Oxford, something went off with the players. Pretty profound I hear and the players were not happy. It appears SS did not travel back on the team coach. If this is correct then it appears that Walters and SS were not going to work together. Also before any of this and before Walters came there was a meeting between SS and Coates about players he could sign in the Jan window. This was rejected by SS and he said didn't want any of those. We ended up signing Ennis and Manhoef. Relations had strained between Coates and SS to a point where Walters was appointed to oversee things. At the end of the day, like all managers JC hired them and fired them. This all true mate? Fish said he signed who he wanted so I would say not a word |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2024 17:48:52 GMT
Fish said he signed who he wanted so I would say not a word Maybe All seems a bit random |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2024 17:51:46 GMT
Another thing Id forgotten, but didnt Schu have a poor relationship with Tricky Dicky? Dicky sacked, JW comes in, they initially work well together and things improve dramatically on the pitch. The relationship then sours for what ever reason and results suffer again
Maybe Schu just isnt for working with a DOF?
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Post by theoptimist on Sept 17, 2024 18:05:30 GMT
As the years pass with JC at the helm, I'm more and more convinced he is making calls on player recruitment etc.... Theres been plenty of times we get linked with a player over the years - Then after complete clean outs of management and recruitment we sign same player with a new regieme under JC. The only constant? Yes, you've guessed it  . I'm thinking of names like Chester & Gayle for example. Call it a hunch, but I would not be suprised at all if JC made the call on Johanson in the summer. He was there, like us, when Johanson played a one-man alamo in that nil-nil a few years back. Anyone experienced in the game would caution to buy on a single performance. I get that it's his money, but having a complete novice involved in player recruitment is just not the way to success! |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 17, 2024 18:29:31 GMT
I wonder at what point will JC start accepting some resposibility for the last 7 years of garbage? Or will he just keep changing managers, just because he can?
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Post by pushon on Sept 17, 2024 19:20:10 GMT
Okay, just over 3 weeks ago Walters and SS had a big falling out. I have not been told why. Since that falling out they have not spoken to each other. At half time at Oxford, something went off with the players. Pretty profound I hear and the players were not happy. It appears SS did not travel back on the team coach. If this is correct then it appears that Walters and SS were not going to work together. Also before any of this and before Walters came there was a meeting between SS and Coates about players he could sign in the Jan window. This was rejected by SS and he said didn't want any of those. We ended up signing Ennis and Manhoef. Relations had strained between Coates and SS to a point where Walters was appointed to oversee things. At the end of the day, like all managers JC hired them and fired them. Conspiracy theories eh? Some seem too incredible to ever hope to be believed. |
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Post by pushon on Sept 17, 2024 19:26:56 GMT
Coates has presided over the last several years of under achievement. The fish rots from the head? Huge gamble appointing a rookie who's got virtually zero pedigree as a manager but I will give him a fair crack and see how he does. Schumacher was never the Manager, he was the Head Coach. I assume the new appointment will acquire the same title. |
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Post by somersetpotter on Sept 17, 2024 20:47:07 GMT
You ever played the wikipedia hitler game? No? Go on You’re always only 3 clicks away from hitler regardless of what page you’re on if you look hard enough |
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Post by a on Sept 20, 2024 20:40:07 GMT
You’ve got what you deserve
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 20, 2024 20:41:48 GMT
You’ve got what you deserve And we'd have won with Schumacher in charge? |
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Post by cokecystfit on Sept 20, 2024 20:42:22 GMT
We lost by the same score last season
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Post by a on Sept 20, 2024 20:43:14 GMT
You’ve got what you deserve And we'd have won with Schumacher in charge? Think beyond this season |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 20, 2024 20:43:14 GMT
You’ve got what you deserve And we'd have won with Schumacher in charge? Who knows? Don't think it would have been this wank though |
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Post by a on Sept 20, 2024 20:43:54 GMT
Caveat: not the new coach, just the 7 years of apathy
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 20, 2024 20:44:28 GMT
And we'd have won with Schumacher in charge? Think beyond this season Lost me there. How do I see the future? |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 20, 2024 20:44:58 GMT
And we'd have won with Schumacher in charge? Who knows? Don't think it would have been this wank though Oh come on. When we play wank we play wank. Same as all teams |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 20, 2024 20:45:20 GMT
This needs the shit bin too
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 20, 2024 20:46:09 GMT
Who knows? Don't think it would have been this wank though Oh come on. When we play wank we play wank. Same as all teams This is a new level of wank though. |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 20, 2024 20:46:20 GMT
Ole in fucking deed.
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Post by questionable on Sept 20, 2024 20:46:47 GMT
Love to post what I’ve been told about him
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Post by a on Sept 20, 2024 20:46:51 GMT
Lost me there. How do I see the future? You can look into the past can’t you? |
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Post by a on Sept 20, 2024 20:47:14 GMT
This needs the shit bin too Why? |
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Post by Ron on Sept 20, 2024 20:47:38 GMT
This needs the shit bin too like the club then. Ffs- are you happy with this ? It’s fucking appalling - there’d be riots at other clubs we just take it . |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 20, 2024 20:47:46 GMT
Millar has pulled us to pieces. Not seen a player have such an impact for ages.
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. I'm thinking of names like Chester & Gayle for example.
