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Post by ceejays on Sept 17, 2024 12:22:35 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 17, 2024 12:25:25 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems Is this with some information on how all this has unfolded or just total conjecture |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 17, 2024 12:33:55 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems Did you watch SS post match interview after satdees capitulation. He pretty much admitted he didn’t know what the problem is. This smells of players not playing for him. Burger complete shadow of last season and Bae suddenly losing all his passion and mojo to mention a couple. If Gibson, as speculated, has gone to SJW for frank and open talks after the Oxford débâcle, then there you have it….possibly. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 17, 2024 12:37:21 GMT
John’s got less brain cells than he has hair follicles.
I imagine he just sits in the office chair all day and someone is employed to spin him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 17, 2024 12:37:31 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems Did you watch SS post match interview. He pretty much admitted he didn’t know what the problem is. This smells of players not playing for him. Burger complete shadow of last season and Bae suddenly losing all his passion and mojo to mention a couple. If Gibson, as speculated, has gone to SJW for frank and open talks after the Oxford débâcle, then there you have it….possibly. It's more probable that Shawcross has gone to Walters to voice their concerns rather than Gibson. |
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 17, 2024 12:39:05 GMT
Alternative thread title:
Should Coates have shagged Walters and Schuey to restore harmony?
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 12:39:44 GMT
Did you watch SS post match interview. He pretty much admitted he didn’t know what the problem is. This smells of players not playing for him. Burger complete shadow of last season and Bae suddenly losing all his passion and mojo to mention a couple. If Gibson, as speculated, has gone to SJW for frank and open talks after the Oxford débâcle, then there you have it….possibly. It's more probably that Shawcross has gone to Walters to voice their concerns rather than Gibson. But only Gibson has worked with the new manager |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 17, 2024 12:41:06 GMT
It's more probably that Shawcross has gone to Walters to voice their concerns rather than Gibson. But only Gibson has worked with the new manager That's very much 2+2 = 85 |
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 12:42:24 GMT
But only Gibson has worked with the new manager That's very much 2+2 = 85 None the less it's a fact How has Pelach come to Walters attention? |
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 17, 2024 12:45:14 GMT
That's very much 2+2 = 85 None the less it's a fact How has Pelach come to Walters attention? People in the game talk. He’s worked at two clubs in the same league as us - it’s not that obscure. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 17, 2024 12:47:29 GMT
Coates is the owner - his job is to hire and fire the DoF. Walters is the DoF - it's his job to hire and fire the HC. If there is a clash between the DoF and the HC the owner leaves it to the DoF to resolve, not undermine the DoF by siding with the HC. If the DoF keeps falling out with the HC for no good reason he gets rid of both and starts again.
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Post by onepara on Sept 17, 2024 12:47:36 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems You can't begin to compare Business with Football. Emotions run much higher in football. I've been at the top of Business too. You'll have fall-outs, because egos are involved. You will know, that you let a Manager run their Department. You only interfere if you see by results, or are told, that things are not going as they should. Then you investigate. J.W. is in charge & as such he makes the decisions that he either stands or falls by. John Coates will not interfere unless he has to. Neither should he. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2024 12:47:37 GMT
2 + 2 = anything but 4 on the Oatcake atm ...pick your number!
Not just this thread either.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 17, 2024 13:08:43 GMT
I’ve said on several occasions that I think when it comes to football. John is extraordinarily naive and just seems to believe most of what he has been told at face value, pivoting violently if he hears something he thinks is more convincing. It’s very easy to see why he was taken in by Ricky Martin for instance, a man who now looks like his only route back into football is Carlisle. Him and his dad were impressed by Paul Lambert because he did a good presentation.
I don’t know what his role is, but he’s been heavily involved in Football operations by his own admission, sitting on the technical board when MON was here etc and clearly has a close working relationship with Walters.
What can be said without any conjecture is since he joined the football club we’ve fallen from 9th in the Premier League and a cup semi final to 17th in the second tier, narrowly avoided point deductions and are now onto our 7th manager in 6 years.
His money makes him untouchable, but I really don’t know how much more evidence people need that the guy simply cannot run a football club.
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Post by tuum on Sept 17, 2024 13:12:07 GMT
In businesses I’ve been involved in spanning 40 years where I was at the top of the companies personality clashes happened. Not the frequently but when they did so it was the MD who took people aside to air their differences shake hands and move on . This may well have happened of course who knows ? But it seems unlikely. After Oxford perhaps SS should have been given a final chance . But it seems Coates just never attempts to run his own business. He leaves it to Walters to martin to jones etc etc . His job in all of this is to knock their silly heads together and get the two of them to work with each other . That doesn’t seem in Walters compass . He’s acting like some power mad gunslinger . It’s weak management. Allowing each CEO ( as it were) to run the business as if it was his own . Giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced guy . That said I remember two girls in my department who hated each other . I tried to get them to work together. Held individual meets with them . Had meetings with the two of them . Nothing seemed to work . The thought crossed my head of shagging them both . Perhaps a bit of pillow talk might help. But that fantasy was short lived . I took the easy way out and moved one to another department. Peace restored . Not that this story can be replicated in this situation but Coates is a big problem. Just bends in the wind with no clear ideas of his own it seems You can't begin to compare Business with Football. Emotions run much higher in football. I've been at the top of Business too. You'll have fall-outs, because egos are involved. You will know, that you let a Manager run their Department. You only interfere if you see by results, or are told, that things are not going as they should. Then you investigate. J.W. is in charge & as such he makes the decisions that he either stands or falls by. John Coates will not interfere unless he has to. Neither should he. The only thing I would say is that SJW has clearly discussed this matter with JC. He (JC) had a chance to pull this back a little bit without undermining anyone SJW or SS. He could have told SJW to hang on a couple of weeks but he didn't. He supported SJW. Whether that is, as you say,to ensure the chain of command is not undermined or whether he agreed with SJW's assessment, I suppose we will never really know. During the alleged conversation I hope he asked SJW who he had lined up to replace SS. How much would it cost and how sure is SJW that his man will come? If we don't get this over the line quickly there will be some red faces knocking around Clayton Wood. |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 17, 2024 13:15:31 GMT
Okay, just over 3 weeks ago Walters and SS had a big falling out. I have not been told why. Since that falling out they have not spoken to each other.
At half time at Oxford, something went off with the players. Pretty profound I hear and the players were not happy. It appears SS did not travel back on the team coach.
If this is correct then it appears that Walters and SS were not going to work together.
Also before any of this and before Walters came there was a meeting between SS and Coates about players he could sign in the Jan window. This was rejected by SS and he said didn't want any of those. We ended up signing Ennis and Manhoef. Relations had strained between Coates and SS to a point where Walters was appointed to oversee things.
At the end of the day, like all managers JC hired them and fired them.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 17, 2024 13:17:39 GMT
John’s got less brain cells than he has hair follicles. I imagine he just sits in the office chair all day and someone is employed to spin him. With each passing fan forum he comes across a someone who knows absolutely fuck all and only cares about things relating to FFP. It wouldn't be so bad if he employed people who knew what they were doing but the proof suggests he's yet to do that. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 17, 2024 13:21:54 GMT
John’s got less brain cells than he has hair follicles. I imagine he just sits in the office chair all day and someone is employed to spin him. With each passing fan forum he comes across a someone who knows absolutely fuck all and only cares about things relating to FFP. It wouldn't be so bad if he employed people who knew what they were doing but the proof suggests he's yet to do that. On a money-to-brain-cell ratio, he must be off the chart. I don’t know why he does those on-stage events. He clearly hates being up there. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 17, 2024 13:23:44 GMT
John’s got less brain cells than he has hair follicles. I imagine he just sits in the office chair all day and someone is employed to spin him. With each passing fan forum he comes across a someone who knows absolutely fuck all and only cares about things relating to FFP. It wouldn't be so bad if he employed people who knew what they were doing but the proof suggests he's yet to do that. I've had conversations with people who've had very close dealings with him who say he isn't the sharpest tool in the box, to put it kindly. Denise Coates is happy keeping him out of the running of Bet365 HQ. He's the one common theme which appears in our demise. Do we need new owners? |
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Post by Sven on Sept 17, 2024 13:24:16 GMT
Does John Coates even have a role? other than been top cash cow!! I wouldn't trust him to cook beens on toast properly.
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Post by somersetpotter on Sept 17, 2024 13:28:55 GMT
That's very much 2+2 = 85 None the less it's a fact How has Pelach come to Walters attention? You ever played the wikipedia hitler game? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 17, 2024 13:31:49 GMT
And people thought Tony Scholes was bad.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 17, 2024 13:32:20 GMT
He’s the master of fuckwittery! The conductor of chaos.
7 years, 7 managers. No plan
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 17, 2024 13:38:45 GMT
And people thought Tony Scholes was bad. He was. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2024 13:40:22 GMT
I imagine his role was more along with lines of ball cradler.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 17, 2024 13:41:03 GMT
2 + 2 = anything but 4 on the Oatcake atm ...pick your number! Not just this thread either. A mix of facts, assumptions, speculation, opinions and gross untruths It was ever thus On a positive it's often great entertainment for noncombatants 😁✌️ |
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 13:41:21 GMT
None the less it's a fact How has Pelach come to Walters attention? You ever played the wikipedia hitler game? No? Go on |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 17, 2024 13:42:20 GMT
And people thought Tony Scholes was bad. He's no Jez Moxey that's for sure 😁✌️ |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 17, 2024 14:40:04 GMT
You ever played the wikipedia hitler game? No? Go on You open up a Wikipedia page then invade Poland. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 17, 2024 14:42:30 GMT
I’ll make a bold prediction.
We will appoint someone.
We will still finish 16 ish.
We will then realise SJW is a player masquerading as someone in charge.
We will then sack SJW and the new manager.
JC will still be at the Top and refusing to accept he is the problem.
Ad - Fucking - Infinitum.
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