i1da
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Post by i1da on Sept 17, 2024 22:35:10 GMT
Pelach needs to be given time, a rare commodity I know in this game. A new squad he knows barely nothing about and possibly only 2 training sessions before the Hull game. There will be a completely new backroom staff as well, so it won't happen overnight. Good luck to the lad, sounds knowledgeable and articulate. Enjoy the ride.. Why should we keep giving time to new managers? we all be pushing up daisy's before it clicks. If you're a professional manager, you should be able to get a tune out of the team in short order. "doesn't know the team" is a poor excuse. Get in the backroom with last 10 games videos and he should have a fair idea! |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2024 22:38:06 GMT
He is desperately short In midfield is his big big issue , I think je may need four in there up to Xmas we just can’t control a game or have the physicality as it is
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Post by turtlefox on Sept 17, 2024 22:46:16 GMT
JW has put his outlook for the club, on the line here. The new manager can't just steady the ship, he has to bring progress and quickly. If this doesn't work out, John will be held accountable. Brave appointment. Hope it works out for us and him.
I know it's not much, but I liked Narcis' mannerism's on TV, when they showed him. Seemed committed to his own way of doing things. For now !!
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Sept 17, 2024 22:52:55 GMT
That’s what happens when you get in a car with snoop dog, it’s the smoke that’ll make you forget whose car you got into. Happened once on the way back from Lincoln but NJKK told you it was just a bad batch of Benson and Hedges. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2024 22:57:01 GMT
Was done last night, or maybe last week.. my belief is that they wanted a yes man and they weren't going to get that with Ste. I really do appreciate how upset you will be feeling about this, unlike every other parting of the ways with the manager over the last 20 years this was a complete shock to pretty much everyone. Not since Gudjon has this happened where the vast majority of the fan base supported the manager and he’s been sacked. Usually the fans are at least a couple of months ahead of the club in wanting a manager gone. It is very strange, I struggle though to agree with you that the only reason Pelach is coming in is because he’s a yes man whereas SS wasn’t. Clearly there’s more gone on behind the scenes than has been made public but was it as much a shock to Steve that he was sacked as it was to the rest of us? It appeared that JW and SS would have been great ‘bedfellows’ given their similarities and shared links but maybe not? I wish him all the best mate, a genuinely likeable fella and I’m sure he will be ok and his stock will not have fallen too much. BM I also hope it hasn’t damaged his love of the club, but I fear it’s possibly irreparable due to how personal it must feel. I think Fish said when he was appointed he wouldn’t be saying much because he couldn’t, but you could tell he felt proud. He must have known how the job was sold to Schumacher and what was expected - I’m guessing this wasn’t it! Hope you can rekindle your Stoke City energy, Fish and I hope you don’t feel somehow weirdly responsible for what’s gone on. |
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Post by jokker on Sept 18, 2024 2:55:14 GMT
Is Pelach the new head coach or is the manager? If it's the former it's business as usual, if it's the latter it's a demotion of not so super jw, Head coach regardless of what title he's given His title should probably be 'Stoke's next sackable'. |
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Post by george2again on Sept 18, 2024 4:18:34 GMT
The more I think about this appointment the more bananas it becomes. A young side desperate for leadership and experience to nurture them is now going to be led by a complete novice. A recipe for disaster likely to happen. Happy with ss gone as he just came across as an inexperienced over thinker. Seriously think we’ll be looking for a new manager by the new year. Remember after the WBA game everyone saying if we swapped managers we would have won the game. Our upper circle make some bizarre decisions ( Lambert) based on whims but I do feel this is not the right time for this experiment on the back of a near relegation season.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 18, 2024 5:35:25 GMT
The more I think about this appointment the more bananas it becomes. A young side desperate for leadership and experience to nurture them is now going to be led by a complete novice. A recipe for disaster likely to happen. Happy with ss gone as he just came across as an inexperienced over thinker. Seriously think we’ll be looking for a new manager by the new year. Remember after the WBA game everyone saying if we swapped managers we would have won the game. Our upper circle make some bizarre decisions ( Lambert) based on whims but I do feel this is not the right time for this experiment on the back of a near relegation season. Agreed. It's madness. It is like throwing a hail Mary. If we had fired SS and got in Alardyce I would have at least somewhat understood. |
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Post by noustie on Sept 18, 2024 5:49:48 GMT
The more I think about this appointment the more bananas it becomes. A young side desperate for leadership and experience to nurture them is now going to be led by a complete novice. A recipe for disaster likely to happen. Happy with ss gone as he just came across as an inexperienced over thinker. Seriously think we’ll be looking for a new manager by the new year. Remember after the WBA game everyone saying if we swapped managers we would have won the game. Our upper circle make some bizarre decisions ( Lambert) based on whims but I do feel this is not the right time for this experiment on the back of a near relegation season. Totally agree - the confidence will drain from the youngsters in the grind of the Championship and he’ll not have the experience to deal with it or have many leaders in the dressing room to call upon. Sacked by Christmas and the new transfer strategy will be signing veteran championship players to keep us in the league. Hope I’m wrong but fear this could be grim. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 18, 2024 6:15:43 GMT
I really do appreciate how upset you will be feeling about this, unlike every other parting of the ways with the manager over the last 20 years this was a complete shock to pretty much everyone. Not since Gudjon has this happened where the vast majority of the fan base supported the manager and he’s been sacked. Usually the fans are at least a couple of months ahead of the club in wanting a manager gone. It is very strange, I struggle though to agree with you that the only reason Pelach is coming in is because he’s a yes man whereas SS wasn’t. Clearly there’s more gone on behind the scenes than has been made public but was it as much a shock to Steve that he was sacked as it was to the rest of us? It appeared that JW and SS would have been great ‘bedfellows’ given their similarities and shared links but maybe not? I wish him all the best mate, a genuinely likeable fella and I’m sure he will be ok and his stock will not have fallen too much. BM I also hope it hasn’t damaged his love of the club, but I fear it’s possibly irreparable due to how personal it must feel. I think Fish said when he was appointed he wouldn’t be saying much because he couldn’t, but you could tell he felt proud. He must have known how the job was sold to Schumacher and what was expected - I’m guessing this wasn’t it! Hope you can rekindle your Stoke City energy, Fish and I hope you don’t feel somehow weirdly responsible for what’s gone on. I'll always love Stoke and nothing will ever change that mate. I couldn't have been prouder at the time but I feel that the introduction of SJW may have significantly changed the dynamics. I'm guessing that the sacking was done without being able to give a substantial reason and a replacement was lined up a few weeks ago. I believe that directors and managers need to work together,and not to try and be sly by taking players to one side and having a quiet word. I believe that this is counterproductive and will only go one way, if this did happen. In my view, the club have acted disgracefully and we have a director who is trying to make a name for himself, as he didn't appoint Steven. I wish the new manager all the best but he needs to tread very carefully if he dare disagree with the playing staff, or potential new signings. Steven can hold his head up high and removed players who had absolutely no interest in Stoke or their fan base. He's brought in a young, hungry team who he believed would do well in time. Unfortunately for Steven, he didn't get it. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this working out well with SJW at our club. |
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Post by Han Solo on Sept 18, 2024 6:27:06 GMT
I also hope it hasn’t damaged his love of the club, but I fear it’s possibly irreparable due to how personal it must feel. I think Fish said when he was appointed he wouldn’t be saying much because he couldn’t, but you could tell he felt proud. He must have known how the job was sold to Schumacher and what was expected - I’m guessing this wasn’t it! Hope you can rekindle your Stoke City energy, Fish and I hope you don’t feel somehow weirdly responsible for what’s gone on. I'll always love Stoke and nothing will ever change that mate. I couldn't have been prouder at the time but I feel that the introduction of SJW may have significantly changed the dynamics. I'm guessing that the sacking was done without being able to give a substantial reason and a replacement was lined up a few weeks ago. I believe that directors and managers need to work together,and not to try and be sly by taking players to one side and having a quiet word. I believe that this is counterproductive and will only go one way, if this did happen. In my view, the club have acted disgracefully and we have a director who is trying to make a name for himself, as he didn't appoint Steven. I wish the new manager all the best but he needs to tread very carefully if he dare disagree with the playing staff, or potential new signings. Steven can hold his head up high and removed players who had absolutely no interest in Stoke or their fan base. He's brought in a young, hungry team who he believed would do well in time. Unfortunately for Steven, he didn't get it. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this working out well with SJW at our club. Only time will tell as to which way this goes but I wish Steven the very best for the future. He did a pretty good job on the whole with the odd selection mistake but he definately bought a more positive feeling to the club and conducted himself really well. I’m sure he’ll have a bright future in the game and won’t be short of offers when he’s ready. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 18, 2024 6:56:04 GMT
Well Im just waiting for the first goon to post one minute after the first whistle blows on Friday evening against Hull to post "Nasty Peach out"  |
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Post by lordb on Sept 18, 2024 7:01:54 GMT
He is desperately short In midfield is his big big issue , I think je may need four in there up to Xmas we just can’t control a game or have the physicality as it is Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 18, 2024 7:04:35 GMT
I also hope it hasn’t damaged his love of the club, but I fear it’s possibly irreparable due to how personal it must feel. I think Fish said when he was appointed he wouldn’t be saying much because he couldn’t, but you could tell he felt proud. He must have known how the job was sold to Schumacher and what was expected - I’m guessing this wasn’t it! Hope you can rekindle your Stoke City energy, Fish and I hope you don’t feel somehow weirdly responsible for what’s gone on. I'll always love Stoke and nothing will ever change that mate. I couldn't have been prouder at the time but I feel that the introduction of SJW may have significantly changed the dynamics. I'm guessing that the sacking was done without being able to give a substantial reason and a replacement was lined up a few weeks ago. I believe that directors and managers need to work together,and not to try and be sly by taking players to one side and having a quiet word. I believe that this is counterproductive and will only go one way, if this did happen. In my view, the club have acted disgracefully and we have a director who is trying to make a name for himself, as he didn't appoint Steven. I wish the new manager all the best but he needs to tread very carefully if he dare disagree with the playing staff, or potential new signings. Steven can hold his head up high and removed players who had absolutely no interest in Stoke or their fan base. He's brought in a young, hungry team who he believed would do well in time. Unfortunately for Steven, he didn't get it. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this working out well with SJW at our club. Hence the HR generated line about moving in the wrong direction blah blah. 7 wins in 10 and you're sacked. Patchy start to the season I agree but sacked after 5 games is just daft with all things considered. Its poor from Stoke all round. And for me worrying that Walters seems to have JC wrapped around his finger. We'll have to see how it pans out with Walters but for my money he's a bully and it'll end in tears for him before long. Good luck to Schumacher. I'm sure he'll make a name for himself somewhere. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 18, 2024 7:08:00 GMT
I also hope it hasn’t damaged his love of the club, but I fear it’s possibly irreparable due to how personal it must feel. I think Fish said when he was appointed he wouldn’t be saying much because he couldn’t, but you could tell he felt proud. He must have known how the job was sold to Schumacher and what was expected - I’m guessing this wasn’t it! Hope you can rekindle your Stoke City energy, Fish and I hope you don’t feel somehow weirdly responsible for what’s gone on. I'll always love Stoke and nothing will ever change that mate. I couldn't have been prouder at the time but I feel that the introduction of SJW may have significantly changed the dynamics. I'm guessing that the sacking was done without being able to give a substantial reason and a replacement was lined up a few weeks ago. I believe that directors and managers need to work together,and not to try and be sly by taking players to one side and having a quiet word. I believe that this is counterproductive and will only go one way, if this did happen. In my view, the club have acted disgracefully and we have a director who is trying to make a name for himself, as he didn't appoint Steven. I wish the new manager all the best but he needs to tread very carefully if he dare disagree with the playing staff, or potential new signings. Steven can hold his head up high and removed players who had absolutely no interest in Stoke or their fan base. He's brought in a young, hungry team who he believed would do well in time. Unfortunately for Steven, he didn't get it. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this working out well with SJW at our club. This is to me is the fatal fault line with the DoF system Who is in control,the head coach or the DoF? If it's the DoF then the players know they can piss about and the coach will be gone,this is what happens at multiple clubs over and over again The head coach has to have credible authority without that it does not matter how good a coach they are, without it they will fail and fail quickly For clubs where the DoF system works is where the DoF is smart and operates in the background supporting the head coach Head Coach is seen by the players as having authority Sorry everyone but Pelach is going to have an impossible task convincing anyone he has authority |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 18, 2024 7:09:28 GMT
Genuinely don’t know what to expect but if you’re looking at the law of averages across our time in the Championship then he’ll be bucking the trend if he’s still managing Stoke City in 2026.
I dunno, whole thing with Walters this week has reminded me of why Denis Smith never took us on to be honest.
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 18, 2024 7:09:54 GMT
I'll always love Stoke and nothing will ever change that mate. I couldn't have been prouder at the time but I feel that the introduction of SJW may have significantly changed the dynamics. I'm guessing that the sacking was done without being able to give a substantial reason and a replacement was lined up a few weeks ago. I believe that directors and managers need to work together,and not to try and be sly by taking players to one side and having a quiet word. I believe that this is counterproductive and will only go one way, if this did happen. In my view, the club have acted disgracefully and we have a director who is trying to make a name for himself, as he didn't appoint Steven. I wish the new manager all the best but he needs to tread very carefully if he dare disagree with the playing staff, or potential new signings. Steven can hold his head up high and removed players who had absolutely no interest in Stoke or their fan base. He's brought in a young, hungry team who he believed would do well in time. Unfortunately for Steven, he didn't get it. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this working out well with SJW at our club. Hence the HR generated line about moving in the wrong direction blah blah. 7 wins in 10 and you're sacked. Patchy start to the season I agree but sacked after 5 games is just daft with all things considered. Its poor from Stoke all round. And for me worrying that Walters seems to have JC wrapped around his finger. We'll have to see how it pans out with Walters but for my money he's a bully and it'll end in tears for him before long. Good luck to Schumacher. I'm sure he'll make a name for himself somewhere. I don’t think being sacked by Stoke will have any effect on SS cv. It’s only. A matter of time before most managers in the league will have been sacked by us. His stats stack up, and his ppg given how bad we were last season is more than reasonable. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 18, 2024 7:16:30 GMT
He is desperately short In midfield is his big big issue , I think je may need four in there up to Xmas we just can’t control a game or have the physicality as it is Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places 6 of them are deep lying midfielders. For a team that wanted to play a 1:2 midfield that’s a very strange balance. Let’s see what the new blokes ideas look like. I’d much prefer to see a 2:1 midfield with the wide forwards being less burdened with defensive responsibility. |
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 18, 2024 7:25:27 GMT
I hope I am wrong but this looks to be a disastrous appointment. Schumacher deserved the benefit of the doubt. This looks to be a joke appointment. Honestly we deserve to get relegated. I never agreed with the Oracle before but now I think change of ownership is needed, this has become ridiculous. The club can’t win! Keep managers too long …SS is sacked…should have been given more time Only appoint British managers…appoint a foreign coach..this won’t work! Who do suggest we get in as new owners?? the club is unique in that is has at least 20,000 actual managers watching the game every week. John Coates should just do a raffle, I'm sure he'd find the next pep. |
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Post by pmjh on Sept 18, 2024 7:36:14 GMT
He is desperately short In midfield is his big big issue , I think je may need four in there up to Xmas we just can’t control a game or have the physicality as it is Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places Pearson is injured, Seko unknown, Lawal injured and unknown, Gooch injured and useless, Junho is a winger, Sidibe 17, Burger out of form. That leaves Moran and you've called him a Moron LOL. |
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Post by pmjh on Sept 18, 2024 7:37:13 GMT
Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places Pearson is injured, Seko unknown, Lawal injured and unknown, Gooch injured and useless, Junho is a winger, Sidibe 17, Burger out of form. That leaves Moran and you've called him a Moron LOL. Sorry forgot Thompson(easily done) |
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Post by lordb on Sept 18, 2024 7:42:57 GMT
Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places 6 of them are deep lying midfielders. For a team that wanted to play a 1:2 midfield that’s a very strange balance. Let’s see what the new blokes ideas look like. I’d much prefer to see a 2:1 midfield with the wide forwards being less burdened with defensive responsibility. Pearson and Thompson are deep lying for sure Lawal can play there but is box to box Same with Sol Seko is supposed to be not deep lying either No idea what the new coach wants He has 8 midfielders to choose from |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 18, 2024 7:51:45 GMT
Really hope my gut feeling is wrong and he does a great job, I will be happy to be proven wrong.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 18, 2024 7:55:53 GMT
He is desperately short In midfield is his big big issue , I think je may need four in there up to Xmas we just can’t control a game or have the physicality as it is Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places Not enough strength or physicality or creativity and the last two aren’t midfielders albeit you volunteeee one isnt 😉, I actually think gooch is fine as full back cover and seeing games out |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 18, 2024 8:01:25 GMT
Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places Pearson is injured, Seko unknown, Lawal injured and unknown, Gooch injured and useless, Junho is a winger, Sidibe 17, Burger out of form. That leaves Moran and you've called him a Moron LOL. Absolutely the Laurent decision seems mad especially seen as the powers that be dont think seko can’t add valie v Fleetwood Town at this stage very strange |
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 18, 2024 8:03:09 GMT
who would you prefer to pick our manager/head coach JC or JW after 7+ seasons in the championship i wouldn't want JC anywhere near it so hopefully JW proves the doubters wrong
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Post by apb1 on Sept 18, 2024 8:03:30 GMT
Whatever the ins and outs, this needs to be announced today if possible. Continuing uncertainty will only fuel the morbid folk (like me) imagining he's done a Burley.
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 18, 2024 8:03:56 GMT
There are always recriminations when a sacking occurs. Usually there is “fault” on both sides and we shouldn’t make crazy assumptions on little to no information.
I’m sorry to see SS go but we weren’t exactly flying were we. Plenty on here we’re questioning him. I hope he picks up a new club soon and is successful.
Walters has raised his flag on the good ship Stoke City now. He has clearly made a statement about who is in charge. He only gets one opportunity to do that, there should be no safety net. Now he needs to stand back, distance himself from on field matters and allow the head coach to operate without anything coming down from above. Anything else is not acceptable.
If Narcís doesn’t see the season out then the next sacking should be a double one. Let’s hope Walters gets lucky with this appointment 🤞
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Post by philb on Sept 18, 2024 8:07:29 GMT
Pearson,Seko,Lawal, Thompson,Burger,Sidibe,Moron,Junho and er Gooch 🥴 Ok not Gooch That's 8 midfielders for 3 places Not enough strength or physicality or creativity and the last two aren’t midfielders albeit you volunteeee one isnt 😉, I actually think gooch is fine as full back cover and seeing games out We have to hope that Seko or Lawal bring something to the table as in my eyes midfield is the biggest problem with this team and why we don’t create much, too many average players, hence why we were desperate to get Cundle back. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 18, 2024 8:08:13 GMT
6 of them are deep lying midfielders. For a team that wanted to play a 1:2 midfield that’s a very strange balance. Let’s see what the new blokes ideas look like. I’d much prefer to see a 2:1 midfield with the wide forwards being less burdened with defensive responsibility. Pearson and Thompson are deep lying for sure Lawal can play there but is box to box Same with Sol Seko is supposed to be not deep lying either No idea what the new coach wants He has 8 midfielders to choose from Box to box midfielders are generally deep lying midfielders who like to drive forward from deep positions. It’s only this recent fascination with using no’s 6 & 8 to title them that is confusing the issue. If you play a 2:1 midfield where one of the 2 is designated DM and the other box to box but from a deep lying starting position what does that make the box to box midfielder a 6 an 8 or a 6.8. Non of the players you mention nor Burger are suitable to use in anything other than deep lying positions. Playing 2 in higher positions combined with FB’s defending the edge of the box rather than the flanks has been putting far too much defensive responsibility in the wide forwards under Schu. It’s been really frustrating to watch. Players who’s strengths lie in the first two thirds of the pitch playing high up the pitch often higher than the wide forwards it’s batshit mental. |
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