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Post by mamathestriker on Dec 2, 2024 9:04:49 GMT
We’re not gonna sack him and I’m not even sure we should before the end of the season. The problem arises if they back him in a summer transfer window and then sack him 5 games in as they have done twice in 2 years. Because Coates has no long term plan and believes whatever anyone says to him if dressed up in flowery language. Walters would essentially make his position untenable if he pulled the plug now, and given this is his first role with no previous record of success that could essentially end his career as an executive or at least throw him down the pyramid for a decade. Not sure I agree with that. Admitting a mistake and having the balls to act on it is far more admirable than backing a lame pony for the sake of it. This coach is gone sooner or later. I think while we're 14th and 6 points above the relegation zone, nothing will happen. But if things continue as they are with such poor performances, lack of wins, no attacking intent and our better players continuing their poor form, it'll get to a point where a decision has to be made. It was an utterly bizarre decision to replace an inexperienced manager (SS) with one with even less. We've unnecessarily rolled the dice. I like NP, he seems a great guy, but it very much feels like we've got someone who lacks a key leadership trait. Right now, I'd absolutely love us to go on a brilliant run and then we can forget these types of posts. If we lose the next two he's on a win percentage of less than 20%. Schumacher, for all his faults, had 40%. With Mark Robins, Steve Cooper, Tony Mowbray, David Moyes available, managers who we've courted before and will no doubt be of interest to us, I do wonder if the pressure on NP cranks up a few notches from that point of view, too. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 2, 2024 9:25:21 GMT
Not sure about an experienced assistant, but I do wonder what all the guys on the touchline with him do. Clement Whitehead Morris For a team with a head coach and these three, we look especially poorly coached. “In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king”. Alternatively, why would an experienced assistant coach work for a very inexperienced head coach? This is a total shambles that can only be fixed if PC admits his son doesn’t know what he’s doing. What has is got to do with PC his Son owns the club. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 2, 2024 10:15:43 GMT
I get the feeling JC will get rid of NP when it's far to late,& the likes of M Robins have been snapped up by some other club.
So will have to scrape the barrel for another Manager/ Coach.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 2, 2024 10:51:05 GMT
“In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king”. Alternatively, why would an experienced assistant coach work for a very inexperienced head coach? This is a total shambles that can only be fixed if PC admits his son doesn’t know what he’s doing. Does Peter have any influence now? Reckon JC has the keys to the castle. I'm not giving up on Narcis yet tbh. But, come Christmas time it might be a different story. The last two home games have been abysmal, let's not kid ourselves. David Moyes anyone?? 100% YES to Moyes !! THEN we would start to see progress..... Never rated Pelach .....theres just no credentials in his appointment to write home about if we're honest with each other is there...? Put his CV next to Moyes CV for a second....... |
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 2, 2024 10:52:01 GMT
I’m surprised by the number of posters advocating for yet another change of manager. It’s not going to happen anytime soon, and nor should it. Performances haven’t been great, but no doubt they will improve and hopefully we stick with this guy, whom the players at least seem to like and respect.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 2, 2024 11:01:46 GMT
He certainly did himself no favours in going so defensive at home on Saturday, treating Burnley like they were the Brazil team at its peak. We keep getting promised aggressive front foot football, yet time and time again we resort to safety first tactics. The match day experience may be improving, but continue with home performances such as Preston & Burnley and crowds will dwindle for sure.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 2, 2024 11:09:49 GMT
I’m surprised by the number of posters advocating for yet another change of manager. It’s not going to happen anytime soon, and nor should it. Performances haven’t been great, but no doubt they will improve and hopefully we stick with this guy, whom the players at least seem to like and respect. Can I just ask what you've seen to suggest that things will improve? Players are not performing anywhere near the standards that they are capable of. In fact they seem to have got worse. We have a midfield that teams walk through and the standard of passing is dreadful. I can only see this going one way. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Dec 2, 2024 11:10:17 GMT
He certainly did himself no favours in going so defensive at home on Saturday, treating Burnley like they were the Brazil team at its peak. We keep getting promised aggressive front foot football, yet time and time again we resort to safety first tactics. The match day experience may be improving, but continue with home performances such as Preston & Burnley and crowds will dwindle for sure. Annoyed me how many times he said Burnley were a great team in his post match interview. Just made me think he was happy to lose 2-0 and move on. It's the Championship FFS! |
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Post by shooters on Dec 2, 2024 11:19:23 GMT
"We are living in a society which increasingly demands success and No longer has time for the good loser". Just read that quote from Tony Waddington. Made me think can we lose well ? Can we be happy with development and progression when we lose. Iraeola at Bournemouth took 10 matches to win his first game yet will be in the frame for top jobs. All i can be sure of is i am happy when we win, fuming when we lose. Fine margins.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 2, 2024 11:22:08 GMT
I’m surprised by the number of posters advocating for yet another change of manager. It’s not going to happen anytime soon, and nor should it. Performances haven’t been great, but no doubt they will improve and hopefully we stick with this guy, whom the players at least seem to like and respect. the anytime soon response, this was said all to often about the last 4 or 5 managers we’ve sacked , football is a results business, he’s simply not getting them or showing signs of getting them , with the run we have till xmas i can’t see him improving his points per game , in which i think he will have to go |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 2, 2024 11:24:40 GMT
Not sure it's the managers fault that our passing is so awful, which it is. I have never seen a team misplace so many passes in good positions. Movement off the ball is also awful, well at times non existent, which might explain why we play sideways & backwards so much..I have seen patterns of play, out from the back to beat the press improve, mainly since Seko started being a regular, he seems comfortable on both feet..
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 2, 2024 11:37:23 GMT
Not sure it's the managers fault that our passing is so awful, which it is. I have never seen a team misplace so many passes in good positions. Movement off the ball is also awful, well at times non existent, which might explain why we play sideways & backwards so much..I have seen patterns of play, out from the back to beat the press improve, mainly since Seko started being a regular, he seems comfortable on both feet.. Who is accountable for their demise if it's not NP? |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 2, 2024 11:45:15 GMT
Fish, we have passed the ball poorly for manager upon manager, even under Schuey. Different managers, different players, same result. I think most teams we have played this season, have passed the ball better than we have, it's not acceptable really.
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Post by mamathestriker on Dec 2, 2024 11:48:35 GMT
Not sure it's the managers fault that our passing is so awful, which it is. I have never seen a team misplace so many passes in good positions. Movement off the ball is also awful, well at times non existent, which might explain why we play sideways & backwards so much..I have seen patterns of play, out from the back to beat the press improve, mainly since Seko started being a regular, he seems comfortable on both feet.. Who is accountable for their demise if it's not NP? In fairness, it's something we've been really poor at for a good while. The way we play "defending spaces rather than your man" means we simply must be good at passing though, which has highlighted it more under NP. My concern is our best players look considerably worse under him, more so than anything else. |
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Post by mcw on Dec 2, 2024 12:02:07 GMT
I’m afraid to say that this is at least 75% down to recruitment. Too weak, young and fragile squad assembled who are struggling with the consistency and the physical nature of the league. We should have added steel and experience in the summer through the spine of the team. NP or anyone would struggle to get a tune out of this squad. Too many forward thinking technical players brought in with no consideration that you need to fight in this league to be allowed to demonstrate those capabilities. Only vague hope is Lawal/Pearson appearing at some point to add bite into midfield.
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Post by noustie on Dec 2, 2024 12:49:08 GMT
Unless we can spunk a shitload of money we're never getting out of this league playing football - the team that got promoted last time was an assortment of horrible bastards that could play to varying degrees and Fuller essentially.
There's no point bringing an 'ugly' manager in if the transfer strategy doesn't change. If the strategy does change we're back to 2-3 windows before it would even look like a coherent unit.
Personally I'd stick as is through the window and even go down as at some point we need to grow some balls and stick to an actual plan on going forward.
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Post by questionable on Dec 2, 2024 13:24:43 GMT
Not sure it's the managers fault that our passing is so awful, which it is. I have never seen a team misplace so many passes in good positions. Movement off the ball is also awful, well at times non existent, which might explain why we play sideways & backwards so much..I have seen patterns of play, out from the back to beat the press improve, mainly since Seko started being a regular, he seems comfortable on both feet.. Who is accountable for their demise if it's not NP? 100% down to the young boy crazily given a senior job at the club, including the oaf Walters. Amazed when he spouted out marking space, the absolute opposite happens week after week. Let’s not ignore the fact how poorly we're run from top to bottom |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 2, 2024 13:31:35 GMT
Unless we can spunk a shitload of money we're never getting out of this league playing football - the team that got promoted last time was an assortment of horrible bastards that could play to varying degrees and Fuller essentially. There's no point bringing an 'ugly' manager in if the transfer strategy doesn't change. If the strategy does change we're back to 2-3 windows before it would even look like a coherent unit. Personally I'd stick as is through the window and even go down as at some point we need to grow some balls and stick to an actual plan on going forward. When you haven't stuck with anything in over 5 years why would you now stick with the worst of the lot? |
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Post by canadianmoose on Dec 2, 2024 13:41:19 GMT
Fish, we have passed the ball poorly for manager upon manager, even under Schuey. Different managers, different players, same result. I think most teams we have played this season, have passed the ball better than we have, it's not acceptable really. Agreed. We have had poor passing, lack of physicality, lack of speed in both body and mind and we also go to pieces when any team presses us for years now. This is not just one manager. It’s a string of them who can’t actually seem to coach any improvement into these players. I’m tired of seeing teams that think faster, run faster and out muscle us. I would really like to know what all these managers and coaches do in training over the years because it’s all been rubbish for the most part. Ultimately, I think it has to come down to the calibre of player that we keep signing. They just aren’t good enough to start with and no amount of coaching seems to make any difference (assuming it’s good coaching to start with) They can’t even control a ball or pass it 5 yards accurately half the time. It’s ridiculous |
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Post by 36dd on Dec 2, 2024 14:39:41 GMT
I’m afraid to say that this is at least 75% down to recruitment. Too weak, young and fragile squad assembled who are struggling with the consistency and the physical nature of the league. We should have added steel and experience in the summer through the spine of the team. NP or anyone would struggle to get a tune out of this squad. Too many forward thinking technical players brought in with no consideration that you need to fight in this league to be allowed to demonstrate those capabilities. Only vague hope is Lawal/Pearson appearing at some point to add bite into midfield. It’s criminal that since relegation, recruitment was our downfall to our demise, and you see teams like Burnley overtake and dominate us on and off the pitch. |
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