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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 1, 2024 10:38:52 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch.
Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing.
This next month seems massive.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2024 10:41:25 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch. Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing. This next month seems massive. Do we think that is because of tactics or simply that they aren’t playing well? Ps…I think burger has played well last 3 games he’s played. The decision to take him off yesterday, unless he’s struggling with injury (his hamstring and thigh was heavily strapped again yesterday) was ridiculous. |
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Post by stokemark on Dec 1, 2024 10:42:34 GMT
Fair comment. I've met the bloke on a couple of occasions and really liked him as a human being. His football, especially early days was beyond mind numbing but later on his teams developed a style of their own. Sitting in the South Stand with my son watching some Spurs/Arsenal/Man City keeper shit his shorts will always be a fond and everlasting memory for me. Move on eh. Been nice to be able to the moment he was fired but so many of you keep pining for him and now his bastard child has bought a non aggressive Spanish version here to brighten our lives  You don't half spout some rubbish |
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Post by pavel on Dec 1, 2024 10:51:33 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch. Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing. This next month seems massive. That’s the way I see it and it’s the regression of players that worries me most. The matches are dire to watch and have been many times since we came down but certain players always gave you a lift, that’s not there now. If it was one of them you could but it down to form but it appears to be more to do with coaching and the game plan (sic). We’re passive, lack flair and creativity and seem to be neutering our better players and all to a system that creates nothing. A sterile, souless and unadventurous approach to the game. Hard to watch? I think we are almost unwatchable, we lack invention, passion, the unexpected and are as dull as dish water. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Dec 1, 2024 10:51:45 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch. Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing. This next month seems massive. What do you make of him FM? Let's say we lose the next three, would we already be in untenable territory? Our key players all look worse under him. And the fact Cooper and Robins are available? |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 1, 2024 11:00:16 GMT
The fact that Cooper & Robins are both available & would not cost must be on the minds of the powers that be.
The problem with that is I think Pelach will be given more time & by then both will be back in work.
Over to you JC do you stick or twist.
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Post by questionable on Dec 1, 2024 11:01:33 GMT
However you look at it he’s not good enough whatsoever and somehow the owners do, crazy, crazy appointment
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 1, 2024 11:06:35 GMT
They say good players don't become bad overnight,so what's the reason we have some good players who have become bad?
I think I know the reason,the one who coaches them.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 1, 2024 11:10:13 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch. Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing. This next month seems massive. What do you make of him FM? Let's say we lose the next three, would we already be in untenable territory? Our key players all look worse under him. And the fact Cooper and Robins are available? It'd be interesting to know what Walters was thinking if you gave him some truth serum. Key players going backwards is very worrying. It's hard to see how the corner is going to be turned when you look at all the underlying numbers which underpin performances and results, coupled with our players with ability, who we'd be reliant on to nick games using our pragmatic gameplan, regressing in this system. As Trousers said, if Pelach goes quickly, Walters will have to go too, you'd think? So that will ensure he'll get the max length of rope. They seem joined at the hip, spending hours a day together. Results always dictate in the end, but it'd have to be a car crash. Looking at the December fixtures, the potential for a crisis point like that is certainly there, but anything short of a complete disaster and they'll keep muddling through. |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 1, 2024 11:29:31 GMT
Why do I keep reading about this tough run of games coming up this month?
No wins in six Sunderland, Luton, Cardiff, Sheffield Wednesday are not tough games. Should Leeds at home with a big crowd on Boxing Day really be that difficult?
Liverpool or Arsenal away in the FA Cup would be tough games.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:31:36 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch. Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing. This next month seems massive. Do we think that is because of tactics or simply that they aren’t playing well? Ps…I think burger has played well last 3 games he’s played. The decision to take him off yesterday, unless he’s struggling with injury (his hamstring and thigh was heavily strapped again yesterday) was ridiculous. Have you ever thought of a career in comedy with the Burger comment🤣 |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2024 11:33:23 GMT
Why do I keep reading about this tough run of games coming up this month? No wins in six Sunderland, Luton, Cardiff, Sheffield Wednesday are not tough games. Should Leeds at home with a big crowd on Boxing Day really be that difficult? Liverpool or Arsenal away in the FA Cup would be tough games. Probably because we’re failing to beat worse sides. In fact mainly we’re failing to beat any sides. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2024 11:35:47 GMT
Do we think that is because of tactics or simply that they aren’t playing well? Ps…I think burger has played well last 3 games he’s played. The decision to take him off yesterday, unless he’s struggling with injury (his hamstring and thigh was heavily strapped again yesterday) was ridiculous. Have you ever thought of a career in comedy with the Burger comment🤣 Comedy wasn’t that what a Seko/Moran midfield combo was meant to be? |
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Post by louis11 on Dec 1, 2024 11:36:25 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch. Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing. This next month seems massive. That’s the way I see it and it’s the regression of players that worries me most. The matches are dire to watch and have been many times since we came down but certain players always gave you a lift, that’s not there now. If it was one of them you could but it down to form but it appears to be more to do with coaching and the game plan (sic). We’re passive, lack flair and creativity and seem to be neutering our better players and all to a system that creates nothing. A sterile, souless and unadventurous approach to the game. Hard to watch? I think we are almost unwatchable, we lack invention, passion, the unexpected and are as dull as dish water. All of the above perfectly sums up how I feel. He talks a good fight, and his comments after Preston were that we were too slow in passing, too passive and lacked invention. So against Burnley we did none of the things he said he wanted. Sad to say he needs to go already. he has a system which kills positivity. Seems like a nice guy, but too early for him at this level. perfect for JC to say he tried with a foreign coach then go back to a seasoned UK coach like Cooper or Robins |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 1, 2024 11:36:33 GMT
Why do I keep reading about this tough run of games coming up this month? No wins in six Sunderland, Luton, Cardiff, Sheffield Wednesday are not tough games. Should Leeds at home with a big crowd on Boxing Day really be that difficult? Liverpool or Arsenal away in the FA Cup would be tough games. Probably because we’re failing to beat worse sides. In fact mainly we’re failing to beat any sides. Yes I get that. Luton away is only a tough game if you are really crap. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:37:43 GMT
Do we think that is because of tactics or simply that they aren’t playing well? Ps…I think burger has played well last 3 games he’s played. The decision to take him off yesterday, unless he’s struggling with injury (his hamstring and thigh was heavily strapped again yesterday) was ridiculous. Have you ever thought of a career in comedy with the Burger comment🤣 He had a good game v Millwall and we looked a whole lot worse when he went off v Preston and Burnley. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:37:54 GMT
Have you ever thought of a career in comedy with the Burger comment🤣 Comedy wasn’t that what a Seko/Moran was meant to be? Yes weak as piss but that doesn’t mean with Burger on the pitch it was any different in my opinion |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:39:09 GMT
Have you ever thought of a career in comedy with the Burger comment🤣 He had a good game v Millwall and we looked a whole lot worse when he went off v Preston and Burnley. I agree about Millwall but not the other two games,totally anonymous |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2024 11:39:55 GMT
Comedy wasn’t that what a Seko/Moran was meant to be? Yes weak as piss but that doesn’t mean with Burger on the pitch it was any different in my opinion Oh dear agenda alert. Refuses to accept what is before his eyes. It wasn’t brilliant before Burger was removed it was significantly worse after he was though. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:40:05 GMT
He had a good game v Millwall and we looked a whole lot worse when he went off v Preston and Burnley. I agree about Millwall but not the other two games,totally anonymous I hope you get to enjoy Gooch, Thompson and Moran on Saturday! 👍 |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2024 11:41:32 GMT
I agree about Millwall but not the other two games,totally anonymous I hope you get to enjoy Gooch, Thompson and Moran on Saturday! 👍 And the Japanese Ryan Woods that so many seem so taken with. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:42:47 GMT
Yes weak as piss but that doesn’t mean with Burger on the pitch it was any different in my opinion Oh dear agenda alert. Refuses to accept what is before his eyes. It wasn’t brilliant before Burger was removed it was significantly worse after he was though. Agenda😂ok mate we’ll leave it there |
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Post by louis11 on Dec 1, 2024 11:44:21 GMT
It is hard to have much to cling to at the moment. Bottom 3 for shots against, shots on target against, XG against, touches in the opposition third, and we're largely a really hard watch. Our £10m worth of buys from the last 12 months - Bae, Manhoef and Burger, all arguably regressing. This next month seems massive. That’s the way I see it and it’s the regression of players that worries me most. The matches are dire to watch and have been many times since we came down but certain players always gave you a lift, that’s not there now. If it was one of them you could but it down to form but it appears to be more to do with coaching and the game plan (sic). We’re passive, lack flair and creativity and seem to be neutering our better players and all to a system that creates nothing. A sterile, souless and unadventurous approach to the game. Hard to watch? I think we are almost unwatchable, we lack invention, passion, the unexpected and are as dull as dish water. All of the above perfectly sums up how I feel. He talks a good fight, and his comments after Preston were that we were too slow in passing, too passive and lacked invention. So against Burnley we did none of the things he said he wanted. Sad to say he needs to go already. he has a system which kills positivity. Seems like a nice guy, but too early for him at this level. perfect for JC to say he tried with a foreign coach then go back to a seasoned UK coach like Cooper or Robins |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:44:34 GMT
I agree about Millwall but not the other two games,totally anonymous I hope you get to enjoy Gooch, Thompson and Moran on Saturday! 👍 I think Gooch’s brief outing at Oxford in midfield will tell everyone that won’t/shouldn’t happen |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 1, 2024 11:44:54 GMT
I hope you get to enjoy Gooch, Thompson and Moran on Saturday! 👍 And the Japanese Ryan Woods that so many seem so taken with. Seko played ok. I don’t want to fall into the trap of slaughtering one in defence of another. They are being asked to do a difficult job and they were doing it ok. Seko looked lost and lightweight when burger went off and he actually had to do a bit of the dirty work unfortunately. That’s not his fault. If he was taking burger off, it should have been Sol on or Thompson, as bad as he is on, not Moran. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 1, 2024 11:48:07 GMT
I hope you get to enjoy Gooch, Thompson and Moran on Saturday! 👍 And the Japanese Ryan Woods that so many seem so taken with. 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 1, 2024 11:48:20 GMT
What do you make of him FM? Let's say we lose the next three, would we already be in untenable territory? Our key players all look worse under him. And the fact Cooper and Robins are available? It'd be interesting to know what Walters was thinking if you gave him some truth serum. Key players going backwards is very worrying. It's hard to see how the corner is going to be turned when you look at all the underlying numbers which underpin performances and results, coupled with our players with ability, who we'd be reliant on to nick games using our pragmatic gameplan, regressing in this system. As Trousers said, if Pelach goes quickly, Walters will have to go too, you'd think? So that will ensure he'll get the max length of rope. They seem joined at the hip, spending hours a day together. Results always dictate in the end, but it'd have to be a car crash. Looking at the December fixtures, the potential for a crisis point like that is certainly there, but anything short of a complete disaster and they'll keep muddling through. And the tried and tested Stoke formula is muddle along until the Jan window closes. Realise it February and we're dragging our arse at the wrong end of the table. Press the panic button and scout around for a seasoned old British manager to save the day. (Change the club badge/motto to: Told you foreign fancy dan's don't work) With the twist of it'll probably cost twice as much this time to remove a coach and SD. Wonderful. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2024 12:13:42 GMT
Oh dear agenda alert. Refuses to accept what is before his eyes. It wasn’t brilliant before Burger was removed it was significantly worse after he was though. Agenda😂ok mate we’ll leave it there Yeah you obviously have difficulty differentiating between having and agenda and refusing to see something that doesn’t fit it. Obviously I have an agenda I want this regime out. To say our midfield wasn’t significantly worse after Burger was removed is for the birds, pure fantasy. |
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Post by thornestein on Dec 1, 2024 12:14:12 GMT
was there many boo’s yesterday, have the crowds started turn ? , it will be this which will push the situation regarding NP
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Post by baconburger on Dec 1, 2024 12:16:41 GMT
was there many boo’s yesterday, have the crowds started turn ? , it will be this which will push the situation regarding NP Don’t know unusually we didn’t stay to find out. It has to be pretty bad for us to leave early we normally stick it out to the end. |
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