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Post by baconburger on Nov 25, 2024 21:01:50 GMT
I don’t think the current squad apart from the lack of an available lead the line striker is a handicapp it’s very much on a par with Sunderland’s in terms of age and experience. I feel he should free up the team play a solider base and give our flair attacking players more freedom and be more willing to embrace defeat in search of victory. Defend properly in terms of 352 or 433 both with two deep lying midfielders with attacking players given more freedom and the base defensive structure being expected to cope. Charge of the Light Brigade stuff. Me, simply pragmatic, we’ve recently gained a bit of light between us and the teams below us, we’ve drastically improved our GD with a young threadbare and to some extent unbalanced squad, we’re constantly giving young players increased game time, we consistently look as though we can score goals and that’s not enough. I can’t comment with any authority whatsoever on formations 352, 433 etc or about deep lying midfielders as I only sit in the stands. I suppose if I could I’d be sitting in the dug out alongside the other members of the coaching staff. Sorry but it’s not gung ho, charge of the light brigade or Kamikaze. It’s about freeing up players who can make the difference. There’s no point in allowing the deep lying midfielders to get up the pitch then saddling the likes of Koumas, Moran, Manhoef, Junho , Cannon with defensive responsibility. 3 defenders and 2 deep lying midfielders or 4 defenders and 2 deep lying midfielders is an adequate defensive base. |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 25, 2024 21:06:00 GMT
I don’t think the current squad apart from the lack of an available lead the line striker is a handicapp it’s very much on a par with Sunderland’s in terms of age and experience. I feel he should free up the team play a solider base and give our flair attacking players more freedom and be more willing to embrace defeat in search of victory. Defend properly in terms of 352 or 433 both with two deep lying midfielders with attacking players given more freedom and the base defensive structure being expected to cope. You appear to have avoided the key word in the question “available”. Our strongest XI includes Stevens, Burger, Moran, Gallagher and probably Lawal. He is also without Gooch and Pearson. Sunderland don’t have 7 matchday squad players out. When all fit we will be close but to date he is getting results with almost no bench to draw on. And it is so much more fun going to games than at any time since 2018 I disagree completely I don’t think the games are fun or entertaining at all. Unless you think fun is feeling we’re less likely to lose. MON, AN & SS all provided a better chance of winning as the figures stand atm. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 25, 2024 21:11:21 GMT
It's cool isn't it....long may it live. Opinions such as “who is this bellend?” 😂 ....a traditional Stoke welcome  |
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 25, 2024 21:14:43 GMT
Your argument is too simplistic and you’re using far too small a sample size to make it. My argument is based in facts whereas yours is based in feelings. Over 69 games as a HC he’s drawn more than any other outcome. That’s not a particularly small sample size. No mine is based on watching the games and seeing how the games have panned out, yours is simply looking at a bit of data and coming to a conclusion solely based on that. |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 25, 2024 21:14:56 GMT
Winning is irrelevant. Not losing is King. Or now it so appears.
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Post by baconburger on Nov 25, 2024 21:17:37 GMT
My argument is based in facts whereas yours is based in feelings. Over 69 games as a HC he’s drawn more than any other outcome. That’s not a particularly small sample size. No mine is based on watching the games and seeing how the games have panned out, yours is simply looking at a bit of data and coming to a conclusion solely based on that. I watch the games too believe it or not. We look like a team obsessed with shape above all else. If that’s what you like maybe chess would be a good watch for you. |
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 25, 2024 21:21:29 GMT
No mine is based on watching the games and seeing how the games have panned out, yours is simply looking at a bit of data and coming to a conclusion solely based on that. I watch the games too believe it or not. We look like a team obsessed with shape above all else. If that’s what you like maybe chess would be a good watch for you. So you say but you’re still yet to provide anything that shows we’ve played for a draw from the start in any game |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 25, 2024 21:26:37 GMT
I watch the games too believe it or not. We look like a team obsessed with shape above all else. If that’s what you like maybe chess would be a good watch for you. So you say but you’re still yet to provide anything that shows we’ve played for a draw from the start in any game Who’s accused us of playing for a draw from the start ? Game management and previous record show the HC to settle for the draw in favour of forcing a decisive outcome one way or the other. Explain 28 draws in 69 games as a HC otherwise?? |
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 25, 2024 21:33:12 GMT
So you say but you’re still yet to provide anything that shows we’ve played for a draw from the start in any game Who’s accused us of playing for a draw from the start ? Game management and previous record show the HC to settle for the draw in favour of forcing a decisive outcome one way or the other. Explain 28 draws in 69 games as a HC otherwise?? I can’t comment as I’ve not seen the games he managed in the Spanish 4th tier. Alls we know is the games he’s managed for us, in which he hasn’t played for a draw in any of them except Bristol City where we fell apart and were going to lose. In all the others we were the better team and looked most likely to win it towards the end, explain that if he always settles for a draw? |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 25, 2024 21:42:13 GMT
Who’s accused us of playing for a draw from the start ? Game management and previous record show the HC to settle for the draw in favour of forcing a decisive outcome one way or the other. Explain 28 draws in 69 games as a HC otherwise?? I can’t comment as I’ve not seen the games he managed in the Spanish 4th tier. Alls we know is the games he’s managed for us, in which he hasn’t played for a draw in any of them except Bristol City where we fell apart and were going to lose. In all the others we were the better team and looked most likely to win it towards the end, explain that if he always settles for a draw? He’s had two significant jobs as a HC in both he’s drawn more games than he’s won or lost. Maybe it’s a coincidence but I really don’t believe in them. Maybe the outcomes would have been different if you personally watched them lol. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 26, 2024 11:09:08 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 26, 2024 17:11:44 GMT
Lucky? Refs have cost us 4 points in the last 2 games Credit to Olgrligm in the other thread, but if you look at our xG in brackets against our opposition, it's grim reading: QPR 2.27 (1.19) Millwall 1.93 (0.74) Blackburn 2.78 (2.34) Derby 0.64 (2.25) Sheffield U 1.36 (0.42) Bristol City 2.51 (0.83) Norwich 1.52 (1.00) Swansea 2.04 (0.87) Portsmouth 1.29 (2.52) Middlesbrough 2.45 (0.76) Hull 1.93 (1.02) We're second or third bottom on pretty much every stat relating to chances given away too. This is basically what luck looks like in numeric form. We're a very leaky side with an octopus in goal. I want the guy's lottery numbers. We are creating just as many clear cut chances as the other team if not more in some games. We are a dangerous team to play against. We have no midfield but have found a way to play around that issue until we get it sorted. Goals win games and we know how to score and Narcis sets us up to score goals, I don't deny we have to defend and concede a lot of shots but I think that's more down to the injury situation we are in. We are getting rewarded for working hard with and without the ball, our players are young and will improve in all areas of the pitch with experience so a lot of those stats will start to improve naturally even without a fully functioning midfield. We are picking up points on a regular basis that's the stat that counts |
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Post by thornestein on Nov 26, 2024 17:23:17 GMT
Credit to Olgrligm in the other thread, but if you look at our xG in brackets against our opposition, it's grim reading: QPR 2.27 (1.19) Millwall 1.93 (0.74) Blackburn 2.78 (2.34) Derby 0.64 (2.25) Sheffield U 1.36 (0.42) Bristol City 2.51 (0.83) Norwich 1.52 (1.00) Swansea 2.04 (0.87) Portsmouth 1.29 (2.52) Middlesbrough 2.45 (0.76) Hull 1.93 (1.02) We're second or third bottom on pretty much every stat relating to chances given away too. This is basically what luck looks like in numeric form. We're a very leaky side with an octopus in goal. I want the guy's lottery numbers. We are creating just as many clear cut chances as the other team if not more in some games. We are a dangerous team to play against. We have no midfield but have found a way to play around that issue until we get it sorted. Goals win games and we know how to score and Narcis sets us up to score goals, I don't deny we have to defend and concede a lot of shots but I think that's more down to the injury situation we are in. We are getting rewarded for working hard with and without the ball, our players are young and will improve in all areas of the pitch with experience so a lot of those stats will start to improve naturally even without a fully functioning midfield. We are picking up points on a regular basis that's the stat that counts are we picking up points on a regular basis, i wouldn’t call 1.27 that good myself , it’s almost poor in fact |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 26, 2024 17:31:45 GMT
I don't give a fuck about stats, xG etc. Can I see what he's trying to achieve? Yes Can I see a style trying emerge? Yes Do I see a bit more togetherness on the Pitch? Yes That will do for me it's early days. Going be massive ups and downs, I'm hopeful it will lead to something. The thing is we have some very young players who will make lots of mistakes but they are mistakes they need to make to improve sometimes they will do it in training other times on match days, they are growing and getting better every week. We will have some really bad games but we will have some really good games too but at some point it will just click and we will just kick on. We have a coach who I think given time is just going to improve our players a lot and we will just go from strength to strength. It just feels like we are in a much better place now than it's felt for a long time. Narcis is in the infancy of his project, he's found a way to get points on the board in the meantime. I feel really positive about him, he seems a really good fit for us and the players seem to love him |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 26, 2024 17:36:24 GMT
We are creating just as many clear cut chances as the other team if not more in some games. We are a dangerous team to play against. We have no midfield but have found a way to play around that issue until we get it sorted. Goals win games and we know how to score and Narcis sets us up to score goals, I don't deny we have to defend and concede a lot of shots but I think that's more down to the injury situation we are in. We are getting rewarded for working hard with and without the ball, our players are young and will improve in all areas of the pitch with experience so a lot of those stats will start to improve naturally even without a fully functioning midfield. We are picking up points on a regular basis that's the stat that counts are we picking up points on a regular basis, i wouldn’t call 1.27 that good myself , it’s almost poor in fact We are getting points from most games. What is it now 1 loss in 9 or something like that? I would say that's picking up points regular. How many points from each game you can argue about but we are getting points from most matches. I just think our midfield issues are stopping us from having more control in games but he can't really sort that right now but I expect that we will improve all over the pitch when it is sorted and all those negative stats will slowly disappear |
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Post by thornestein on Nov 26, 2024 18:38:01 GMT
are we picking up points on a regular basis, i wouldn’t call 1.27 that good myself , it’s almost poor in fact We are getting points from most games. What is it now 1 loss in 9 or something like that? I would say that's picking up points regular. How many points from each game you can argue about but we are getting points from most matches. I just think our midfield issues are stopping us from having more control in games but he can't really sort that right now but I expect that we will improve all over the pitch when it is sorted and all those negative stats will slowly disappear the same can be said from every manager then , at the end of the day it’s still a poor points return at the moment , that can change very quickly |
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Post by PottersBrim on Nov 26, 2024 21:50:21 GMT
Another Pelach masterclass as we move to 1 loss in 10.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 26, 2024 21:52:51 GMT
The thing that worries me slightly is the team really isn’t grinding out many victories.
5 wins in 16 for the season is really poor.
3 tough games coming up leading to the Cardiff game which could be a big one.
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 26, 2024 21:57:25 GMT
Nathan Jones in chino’s
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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 26, 2024 22:01:47 GMT
He could have "fucked Wilmot off today". Away against bottom of the league and a selection you would have absolutely crucified the previous manager for. You were also on record stating it would take the whole season to get the players up to the required fitness, 10 games later a magic wand has been waved. I agree with a lot you say, but on this you really are coming across a troll. He could but he’ll switch the full backs for the home game won’t he? Which makes sense. I wouldn’t have crucified him for it in his first 6-8 games. If Pelach bottles it then I will give him the same treatment. He hasn’t. If he shows cowardice then I will. They look fitter, which they do. They don’t look to the required standard yet though and I haven’t said as such. I look a troll because you disagree with me and I actually think we look better? Give over 🤣 Thoughts tonight Sir? Couldn't wait to bring Wilmot on and the shape for the last 20 minutes was borderline bottled. Presumably you're now done with him? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2024 22:03:53 GMT
He could but he’ll switch the full backs for the home game won’t he? Which makes sense. I wouldn’t have crucified him for it in his first 6-8 games. If Pelach bottles it then I will give him the same treatment. He hasn’t. If he shows cowardice then I will. They look fitter, which they do. They don’t look to the required standard yet though and I haven’t said as such. I look a troll because you disagree with me and I actually think we look better? Give over 🤣 Thoughts tonight Sir? Couldn't wait to bring Wilmot on and the shape for the last 20 minutes was borderline bottled. Presumably you're now done with him? It was absolutely wank. The Junior sub was baffling. Cannon is fucking shite. |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 26, 2024 22:05:46 GMT
He's nothing like Jones other than he's young. |
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Post by banksy1art on Nov 26, 2024 22:06:38 GMT
Boo boys are well happy, just get behind him and the team, what’s the alternative?
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Post by PottersBrim on Nov 26, 2024 22:07:11 GMT
He could but he’ll switch the full backs for the home game won’t he? Which makes sense. I wouldn’t have crucified him for it in his first 6-8 games. If Pelach bottles it then I will give him the same treatment. He hasn’t. If he shows cowardice then I will. They look fitter, which they do. They don’t look to the required standard yet though and I haven’t said as such. I look a troll because you disagree with me and I actually think we look better? Give over 🤣 Thoughts tonight Sir? Couldn't wait to bring Wilmot on and the shape for the last 20 minutes was borderline bottled. Presumably you're now done with him? About as cowardly a performance as we've seen. Bayern will no doubt pin this entire wankfest completely on Cannon though. |
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Post by PottersBrim on Nov 26, 2024 22:09:12 GMT
Thoughts tonight Sir? Couldn't wait to bring Wilmot on and the shape for the last 20 minutes was borderline bottled. Presumably you're now done with him? About as cowardly a performance as we've seen. Bayern will no doubt pin this entire wankfest completely on Cannon though. Well, I got it half right. Cannon was wank tbf. |
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Post by 1948fitch on Nov 26, 2024 22:23:31 GMT
He's nothing like Jones other than he's young. you need to look up Jones' age, he's older than Alex Neil  |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 26, 2024 22:31:55 GMT
He's nothing like Jones other than he's young. you need to look up Jones' age, he's older than Alex Neil Fucking hell, that's unreal 😳 To be fair though, Jones was only 45 when we appointed him which is considered young for a Manager/Head Coach. I just get bored of the lazy comparison to Jones whenever a younger Manager/Head Coach isn't doing great. It kept cropping up under Schumacher which was totally unfair. |
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Post by bertiestan on Nov 26, 2024 22:45:23 GMT
Boo boys are well happy, just get behind him and the team, what’s the alternative? I’m definitely behind him and the lads but these last two performances have been nothing short of absolute dross 🔴⚪️ |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 26, 2024 22:48:41 GMT
Our fixtures over the next month or so look horrendous. I wonder what his win percentage will look like after Burnley away on New Years Day? We could be in Nathan Jones territory.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 26, 2024 22:55:01 GMT
Good solid point.
A win on Saturday and we're in the groove again.
Keep the faith.
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