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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 26, 2024 23:07:17 GMT
Good solid point. A win on Saturday and we're in the groove again. Keep the faith. Good solid point? It was a shite display and was tactfully inept. The passing was dire and I think we had 1 shot on target all game. We could have lost that but thankfully didn't. We have to be honest here. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2024 23:13:42 GMT
Good solid point. A win on Saturday and we're in the groove again. Keep the faith. A good solid point in an eminently winnable home game that saw us move in to the bottom half of the table again. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 26, 2024 23:31:57 GMT
This passing it around at the back,pisses me right off & I'm shitting mesen half the time,waiting for them to make one almighty fucking cockup.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2024 1:49:41 GMT
Our fixtures over the next month or so look horrendous. I wonder what his win percentage will look like after Burnley away on New Years Day? We could be in Nathan Jones territory. Been saying it for weeks the only goal is 25 by the turn which Plymouth and today was pretty key in that if results go as expected we’d fall short of that , it’s a point on that journey but a missed opportunity relevant to the only realistic goal which is 50 plus points |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 27, 2024 7:46:24 GMT
He’s not being helped by the squad depth that’s for sure.
Koumas, Tezgel and Ennis as your only 3 forward players to make an impact in a game aren’t the greatest.
We’ll hopefully look a bit better when Gallagher returns.
Not sure why he started with 4-4-2 yesterday with Moran up front though. Very baffling.
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 27, 2024 8:01:16 GMT
Just listened to the post match interview again. Already talking Burnley up. Talks about getting an unexpected result. Seems we are in bonus game territory here.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 27, 2024 8:01:36 GMT
Its like groundhog day every fkn season/every fkn manager. They all talk about the 'hard press'. moving the ball quick 'between the lines', forward thinking football - I have yet to see any of this. It seems as though 90% of teams nowadays are completely obssessed with Guardiola football. Even this type of football is tedious to watch at times (even when Man City are playing it). Its all well and good passing the ball between the CBs and keepers if their is some fwd movement/intent - we cant play it this way as most of our team are awful with the ball at their feet and cant play in confined spaces that the opposition create. We are so easy to play against, teams know we'll simply pass it around the back for 10mins and eventually lump it or lose it to the opposition (they dont even need to press that hard either as we will inevitably play a stray pass. Gibson/Wilmot/Tchamadeau all guilty last night. Burger is a shadow of the player we thought we'd signed, slow/lethargic no fwd mvmnt. Seko/Bae are the only players who seem to want to play on the front foot, Bae will inevitably make a bad final pass too, but i'll let him off as he could be a very good player in the right team. Seko has to start every game when fit. And if we had a fit Stevens then he has to start every game (never happening though). I'd be very surprised if we arent bottom 4 at the end of December. Gallagher and Lawal cant come back into the side soon enough (and I've never even watched Lawal but hes big and strong and rather him in MF than Burger).
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Post by thornestein on Nov 27, 2024 9:20:07 GMT
for me his sheer lack of any decent experience is showing , he’s not learning from his mistakes and for me no improvement from the last bunch of useless managers we’ve had
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Post by stokeson on Nov 27, 2024 10:27:07 GMT
for me his sheer lack of any decent experience is showing , he’s not learning from his mistakes and for me no improvement from the last bunch of useless managers we’ve had Its looking like "The Emperor's New Clothes" again...... |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 27, 2024 10:44:55 GMT
for me his sheer lack of any decent experience is showing , he’s not learning from his mistakes and for me no improvement from the last bunch of useless managers we’ve had Give me a useless manager with a 40% win percentage every time. This is just Pulistas getting what they want don’t lose football which is what I feared the minute JW walked through the door. The names and the method might be a surprise but the mindset is every bit Pulis/Dyche. |
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Post by insect on Nov 29, 2024 8:17:24 GMT
“Bring the energy” N P’s appeal to Stoke fans for tomorrow’s encounter with Burnley.
Ok. I kinda get it. But after watching Stoke since relegation from the Premier league this past 7 years and after watching that performance on Tuesday night, I really haven’t got much energy left. It’s been sucked out of me. I’ll keep going and keep hoping. But please. Give me something on the pitch to get energised about !
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 29, 2024 14:08:24 GMT
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 29, 2024 14:19:00 GMT
The second half was absolute guff, no doubt about it, but even first half I thought we moved it fine until it mattered. I see people whinging about passing it around the back, but it's not something we do mindlessly like we would at times under other managers. There does appear to be a point to it, it's done with a bit of pace with the forward pass at the right time in mind. Just because we use the defenders as part of the process, doesn't mean it should be lumped in with "passing it around for the sake of it" in my opinion. It's usually out wide within a couple of passes.
Our passing itself was a bigger issue on Tuesday, Gibson at the back the worst culprit, but Manhoef, Bae and Moran all used it poorly as well.
I'm not seeing it as slow, laboured and pointless personally - second half of Preston aside.
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Post by marwood on Nov 29, 2024 14:27:07 GMT
He really talks a good game, and knows how to whip up the fervour, ahead of the match I liken him to one of those ladies in pink miniskirts that used to ride in the back of an open top white Cadillac around Manchester or Birmingham at 1am, with blonde hair piled atop their head a feather boa trailing in the wind. They were the secret invite to a mystery 'rave' destination, promising fun, glamour and excitement You would follow the trail and eventually get to an abandoned leaking warehouse in Digbeth where Altern8 were the headline attraction at 4am. Still, following the Cadillac around Handsworth and Sparkhill was fun while it lasted |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 29, 2024 16:51:56 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 29, 2024 17:04:59 GMT
The biggest thing I took from that is he's been here for 10 weeks. 10 weeks.
I have milk that's been in the fridge longer, give him time.......
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2024 17:12:14 GMT
“Bring the energy” N P’s appeal to Stoke fans for tomorrow’s encounter with Burnley. Ok. I kinda get it. But after watching Stoke since relegation from the Premier league this past 7 years and after watching that performance on Tuesday night, I really haven’t got much energy left. It’s been sucked out of me. I’ll keep going and keep hoping. But please. Give me something on the pitch to get energised about ! they are right to call for it but yeah PNE game was utterly draining |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2024 17:18:43 GMT
This is fascinating listening. I'm good friends with a fella who was Director of Football at a Championship Club and went into a Senior Strategic role with a massive Premier League club. We were chatting once, a few years ago, about the job Mowbray had done at Blackburn. The way he spoke about the age balance in a squad and the impact that had on how a manager could approach games, how consistent performances would be and the questions supporters then ask of a manager about why specific players aren't playing, why a certain player was brilliant several games ago but is now not featuring, and Narcis pretty much went into that exact detail. In terms of building a promotion winning team, we have some good experience at 30+ (Gibson & Stevens), we have some good young players (25 and under) but we have very few, if any players, that you would describe as being in their prime years 26-30 with 200+ games under their belts. In essence, we don't have very good age balance so whatever it is we are trying to achieve with this squad, it is going to take some time purely because of the age profile of it. Equally, it only takes 2 or 3 really good signings of players in the right age group and we could push on very quickly. Look at the Pulis team that got promotion. It was loaded with players between 26 & 30 who had played loads of games at this level and above. Simmo, Nash, Griffin, Whelan, Eustace, Delap, Fuller, Mama, Lawrence, Cresswell, even, love him or loathe him, Leon Cort and Clint Hill before him. We then had youngsters like Shawcross, Wilko, Dicko and Gally on loan to bring that youthful exuberance. I can't remember if we had too many the wrong side of 30 and if there were, they didn't seem to feature too much. We will all talk about the games as they happen, praise and criticise where needed I'm sure but the reality is we are rebuilding and the profile of the squad is such that we'll be inconsistent, we'll wonder what has happened to certain players who once we playing well but now are struggling and it will be frustrating. However, if Narcis can deliver a team, in time, that is as good as the way he speaks about the game, we are going to be in a really good place at some point over the next 12 months. This press conference is a cracker and I loved listening to it / reading it in full. Brilliant. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2024 17:22:47 GMT
The biggest thing I took from that is he's been here for 10 weeks. 10 weeks. I have milk that's been in the fridge longer, give him time....... a fair point what stood out for me was what he said about Parker talking about the Stoke crowd That to me suggests Burnley will come & try to kill the game make it very slow indeed & go for a 1.0 Pelach talks about Stoke having to do something different in this game, without Gallagher (another week for him) struggling to see what he can do different tactically ? He's going to have to get the side really fired up so we have a chance of making the game fast which will suit us better than Burnley If we can start the game at full pelt that will get the crowd going |
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2024 17:26:00 GMT
This is fascinating listening. I'm good friends with a fella who was Director of Football at a Championship Club and went into a Senior Strategic role with a massive Premier League club. We were chatting once, a few years ago, about the job Mowbray had done at Blackburn. The way he spoke about the age balance in a squad and the impact that had on how a manager could approach games, how consistent performances would be and the questions supporters then ask of a manager about why specific players aren't playing, why a certain player was brilliant several games ago but is now not featuring, and Narcis pretty much went into that exact detail. In terms of building a promotion winning team, we have some good experience at 30+ (Gibson & Stevens), we have some good young players (25 and under) but we have very few, if any players, that you would describe as being in their prime years 26-30 with 200+ games under their belts. In essence, we don't have very good age balance so whatever it is we are trying to achieve with this squad, it is going to take some time purely because of the age profile of it. Equally, it only takes 2 or 3 really good signings of players in the right age group and we could push on very quickly. Look at the Pulis team that got promotion. It was loaded with players between 26 & 30 who had played loads of games at this level and above. Simmo, Nash, Griffin, Whelan, Eustace, Delap, Fuller, Mama, Lawrence, Cresswell, even, love him or loathe him, Leon Cort and Clint Hill before him. We then had youngsters like Shawcross, Wilko, Dicko and Gally on loan to bring that youthful exuberance. I can't remember if we had too many the wrong side of 30 and if there were, they didn't seem to feature too much. We will all talk about the games as they happen, praise and criticise where needed I'm sure but the reality is we are rebuilding and the profile of the squad is such that we'll be inconsistent, we'll wonder what has happened to certain players who once we playing well but now are struggling and it will be frustrating. However, if Narcis can deliver a team, in time, that is as good as the way he speaks about the game, we are going to be in a really good place at some point over the next 12 months. This press conference is a cracker and I loved listening to it / reading it in full. Brilliant. O'Neill made the same comments re players 26-29 the issue is that such players are either in the premier league already or if they aren't have issues re injuries, off the field stuff or just aren't all that Pulis was able to outspend our rivals at that time to get those plyers in (& he did great at that) FFP means we can't do that so easily |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 29, 2024 17:57:19 GMT
I have to say I thought he spoke really well in that presser today
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Post by tommystoke123 on Nov 29, 2024 18:08:05 GMT
Hopefully if the Pelach gamble goes pear shaped, Robins and Cooper will still be available
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 18:44:07 GMT
Hopefully if the Pelach gamble goes pear shaped, Robins and Cooper will still be available how much more pear shaped than 3 wins in 13 does it have to get? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:12:13 GMT
He’s going to get more time than others to shape his own team and style of play as he’s Walters’ project.
We’ve had some dire games for sure but that’s as much to do with the hangover from previous managers as far as I’m concerned.
It’s all a bit meh mostly and we’re conceding way too many shots.
I’m hopeful he’ll get it right and am absolutely willing to give him a fair crack of the whip.
There are so many clubs in the league with similar issues to us.
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 20:22:12 GMT
He’s going to get more time than others to shape his own team and style of play as he’s Walters’ project. We’ve had some dire games for sure but that’s as much to do with the hangover from previous managers as far as I’m concerned. It’s all a bit meh mostly and we’re conceding way too many shots. I’m hopeful he’ll get it right and am absolutely willing to give him a fair crack of the whip. There are so many clubs in the league with similar issues to us. Watlers position should be in every bit as much jeopardy as Pelach. Employed a coach that doesn't win games and blew the majority of his summer budget on players that don't or barely play. What exactly has he supposed to have done right?? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:25:57 GMT
He’s going to get more time than others to shape his own team and style of play as he’s Walters’ project. We’ve had some dire games for sure but that’s as much to do with the hangover from previous managers as far as I’m concerned. It’s all a bit meh mostly and we’re conceding way too many shots. I’m hopeful he’ll get it right and am absolutely willing to give him a fair crack of the whip. There are so many clubs in the league with similar issues to us. Watlers position should be in every bit as much jeopardy as Pelach. Employed a coach that doesn't win games and blew the majority of his summer budget on players that don't or barely play. What exactly has he supposed to have done right?? Well we’re not losing much, moved up the table a bit, the good games have been really good. I currently don’t agree with how he uses the forwards. It’s not all bad |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 29, 2024 20:33:31 GMT
Watlers position should be in every bit as much jeopardy as Pelach. Employed a coach that doesn't win games and blew the majority of his summer budget on players that don't or barely play. What exactly has he supposed to have done right?? Well we’re not losing much, moved up the table a bit, the good games have been really good. I currently don’t agree with how he uses the forwards. It’s not all bad The good game was really good but it is a complete outlier in terms of results performances and intent. 5 good attempts on goal within 5 minutes before we even went in front. Other than that we've scored 13 goals in 16 league games making last season look kind of prolific when the real word to describe it was pathetic. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:36:20 GMT
Well we’re not losing much, moved up the table a bit, the good games have been really good. I currently don’t agree with how he uses the forwards. It’s not all bad The good game was really good but it is a complete outlier in terms of results performances and intent. 5 good attempts on goal within 5 minutes before we even went in front. Other than that we've scored 13 goals in 16 league games making last season look kind of prolific when the real word to describe it was pathetic. I think you just need to chill a bit and see what transpired over the coming months. Once again the squad balance isn’t right and we need to do well in the notoriously awkward transfer market in January. Hopefully he can fill some gaps in our deficiencies. |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 29, 2024 20:37:40 GMT
He’s going to get more time than others to shape his own team and style of play as he’s Walters’ project. We’ve had some dire games for sure but that’s as much to do with the hangover from previous managers as far as I’m concerned. It’s all a bit meh mostly and we’re conceding way too many shots. I’m hopeful he’ll get it right and am absolutely willing to give him a fair crack of the whip. There are so many clubs in the league with similar issues to us. Watlers position should be in every bit as much jeopardy as Pelach. Employed a coach that doesn't win games and blew the majority of his summer budget on players that don't or barely play. What exactly has he supposed to have done right?? Are you the new Benji ?? |
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2024 20:40:14 GMT
The good game was really good but it is a complete outlier in terms of results performances and intent. 5 good attempts on goal within 5 minutes before we even went in front. Other than that we've scored 13 goals in 16 league games making last season look kind of prolific when the real word to describe it was pathetic. I think you just need to chill a bit and see what transpired over the coming months. Once again the squad balance isn’t right and we need to do well in the notoriously awkward transfer market in January. Hopefully he can fill some gaps in our deficiencies. Don't think bringing in more players will change anything, unfortunately I think the coach is to slow in thinking he's making the team play far far to slow out from the back its his way and he won't change it |
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