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Post by logdog on Nov 8, 2024 10:48:14 GMT
We are a little nervy to watch at the moment with the amount of chances we concede, but we also create plenty of chances too. People have been crying out for a young exciting team forever on here & now we appear to be getting it. A lot of that team are pretty inexperienced at championship level & will only get better. Give me that game on Wednesday night v Blackburn any day over the dull negative shite of WBA v Burnley last night. Onwards & upwards.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Nov 8, 2024 10:54:52 GMT
Blackburn peppered our goal but we had good chances as well. Are we expecting to instantly be the best in the division? This is obviously a project and let's hope this time we can stick with a manager long enough for him to impose a style and a philosophy. Considering this is his first managerial appointment, coming in to manage a squad he didn't have a say in, I think he has done well. Initially,I thought it was a puddled appointment by SJW. However, I have warmed to the Spaniard and like the way he is trying to shape a resilient side with good team spirit. Hopefully with wins will come confidence and better possession stats. Turning the oil tanker round, that is the good ship SCFC, is no easy task and I think, on evidence so far, he deserves time. A convincing win on Saturday and we are right back in it. That’s the thing. Although they had more shots they didn’t actually pepper our goal. They had the same amount of shots on target as we did. Doesn’t matter about quantity. If they aren’t going on target what’s the point. We’ve been a lot more clinical of later and made a lot more clear cut chances. I feel like we are also trying to get a balancing act with our pressing. We can’t keep it up for 90 mins so we sit off and let them have possession for part of the game and soak it up. With better players I think we’d soak it up by keeping possession rather than letting them have it. But that’s the way it is. |
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Post by solihullpotter on Nov 8, 2024 10:57:39 GMT
Are we expecting to instantly be the best in the division? Yes, that was my one and only expectation when we appointed a new manager. This is exactly how I feel whenever we appoint any new manager, instantly becoming the best in the league.  |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 8, 2024 10:57:46 GMT
Do we have a lucky manager at last? Or is it just that our luck is finally turning for the better?
Not forgetting Johansson's played a huge part in most points we've got under Pèlach. Even when Johansson made a terrible mistake we won the game.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 8, 2024 11:09:39 GMT
Reading some of the posts on many of the threads, including the matchday one, tell me that many Stoke fans dont actually want the team to succeed Whether thats due to a natural negativity, whether its to do with the nationality of the manager (some of the comments are appalling, downright racist almost - one calling him a 'greaser'!), wanting him gone, some for whatever reason wanting Schumacher back like he was the second coming (we was here 32 games, and bar a miracle end to last season would have been relegated - we won just 2 of the first 5 games this season), some pure hatred of the Coates/King/SJW hierarchy I dont get it Are we conceding too many shots - yes we are Are we a very young, inexperienced side - yes we are. They will get better and better. Is it 100x more exciting watching us go forward, attack opposition, score goals? - yes it is Are we suffering with a few injuries to key players in the cog - yes we are (Gallagher makes a massive difference to Cannon etc) I would rather have this gung ho approach and some intensity than some of the slow, boring, sideways bollocks we have had to endure over recent seasons. We will win some, and lose some, thats football as we evolve - I think this guy will be special when he figures out/has available his best team and players. A proper CDM (Lawal) suddenly makes midfield better Seko looks an amazing find That front line up young uns (Bae, Moran, Milli, Cannon, Koumas) is exciting. We have a Prem standard goalie Junior will get better, he has improved in the weeks NP has been here Stevens improves the side, a real good pro Glad he has figured out that Phillips needs to play every week Rose, Wilmott, Gibson are experienced pros We arent far off figuring it out, but I fear some peoples agendas are already set in stone. A lot clearly don’t like him because he’s foreign and it’s fucking disgusting. You really make a load of shit up in your head sometimes Bayern. Ive not seen one post hating the manager just because hes foreign. |
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 8, 2024 11:19:19 GMT
Did you read the Blackburn match thread Matt?
During the first half it was shocking by some posters. Xenophobic almost.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 8, 2024 11:25:42 GMT
I love how he talks about levelling up players, it's like he just knows he's good. When you know you know
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Post by solihullpotter on Nov 8, 2024 12:06:44 GMT
I love how he talks about levelling up players, it's like he just knows he's good. When you know you know It made me smile whan he said post match that Johansson played "well" but that he wanted "more and more" from him. Johansson's thinking "F**k me gaffa!"  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2024 12:34:21 GMT
Did you read the Blackburn match thread Matt? During the first half it was shocking by some posters. Xenophobic almost. In fairness mate despite a lot of criticism about his set up and tactics in the first half (some of it well justified) there was only one poster who was being xenophobic. George2again was particularly vitriolic and called the manager a 'greaseball' on several ocassions albeit no-one else picked him up on it so whether they agreed with him or were just ignoring the tool is up for debate. Strangely enough he has made 1 post since Manhouf scored although that was to infer we should sack Pelach and employ Robbins. |
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Post by senojbor on Nov 8, 2024 12:47:28 GMT
Did you read the Blackburn match thread Matt? During the first half it was shocking by some posters. Xenophobic almost. In fairness mate despite a lot of riticism about his set up and tactics in the first half (some of it well justified) there was only one poster who was being xenophobic. George2again was particularly vitriolic and called the manager a 'greaseball' on several ocassions albeit no-one else picked him up on it so whether they agreed with him or were just ignoring the tool is up for debate. Strangely enough he has made 1 post since Manhouf scored although that was to infer we should sack Pelach and employ Robbins. Dodgy firestick supporters are the worst of all. The manager is doing great |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 8, 2024 12:54:58 GMT
Reading some of the posts on many of the threads, including the matchday one, tell me that many Stoke fans dont actually want the team to succeed Whether thats due to a natural negativity, whether its to do with the nationality of the manager (some of the comments are appalling, downright racist almost - one calling him a 'greaser'!), wanting him gone, some for whatever reason wanting Schumacher back like he was the second coming (we was here 32 games, and bar a miracle end to last season would have been relegated - we won just 2 of the first 5 games this season), some pure hatred of the Coates/King/SJW hierarchy I dont get it Are we conceding too many shots - yes we are Are we a very young, inexperienced side - yes we are. They will get better and better. Is it 100x more exciting watching us go forward, attack opposition, score goals? - yes it is Are we suffering with a few injuries to key players in the cog - yes we are (Gallagher makes a massive difference to Cannon etc) I would rather have this gung ho approach and some intensity than some of the slow, boring, sideways bollocks we have had to endure over recent seasons. We will win some, and lose some, thats football as we evolve - I think this guy will be special when he figures out/has available his best team and players. A proper CDM (Lawal) suddenly makes midfield better Seko looks an amazing find That front line up young uns (Bae, Moran, Milli, Cannon, Koumas) is exciting. We have a Prem standard goalie Junior will get better, he has improved in the weeks NP has been here Stevens improves the side, a real good pro Glad he has figured out that Phillips needs to play every week Rose, Wilmott, Gibson are experienced pros We arent far off figuring it out, but I fear some peoples agendas are already set in stone. I’ve slated him for his eyebrows and I’m not for turning 🤣 |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 8, 2024 13:06:25 GMT
Did you read the Blackburn match thread Matt? During the first half it was shocking by some posters. Xenophobic almost. In fairness mate despite a lot of riticism about his set up and tactics in the first half (some of it well justified) there was only one poster who was being xenophobic. George2again was particularly vitriolic and called the manager a 'greaseball' on several ocassions albeit no-one else picked him up on it so whether they agreed with him or were just ignoring the tool is up for debate. Strangely enough he has made 1 post since Manhouf scored although that was to infer we should sack Pelach and employ Robbins. Probably ignoring him as you've suggested. Doesn't surprise me with that particular poster though. Makes a change for him to not post about how slow Mmaee and Vidigal are everyday. Or "vIdIsLoW" as he hilariously posted many times. Funnily enough he was nowhere to be seen after Million scored 😂 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 8, 2024 13:07:52 GMT
Do we have a lucky manager at last? Or is it just that our luck is finally turning for the better? Not forgetting Johansson's played a huge part in most points we've got under Pèlach. Even when Johansson made a terrible mistake we won the game. That'not lucky, it's the reason we bought him. My opinion is that Johansson is much better stopping shots than commanding his area so inviting shots and 1v1 situations works in his favour over having plenty of defensive players packed around him but limiting the opposition to one or two chances. Makes watching us very nerve racking though. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 8, 2024 15:25:41 GMT
Do we have a lucky manager at last? Or is it just that our luck is finally turning for the better? Not forgetting Johansson's played a huge part in most points we've got under Pèlach. Even when Johansson made a terrible mistake we won the game. That'not lucky, it's the reason we bought him. My opinion is that Johansson is much better stopping shots than commanding his area so inviting shots and 1v1 situations works in his favour over having plenty of defensive players packed around him but limiting the opposition to one or two chances. Makes watching us very nerve racking though. Pèlach has been lucky that Johansson's been there to make so many point-winning saves. Especially when you're a new manager at a club with a young squad that could feasibly be relegated, I don't think you invite that many shots against a goalkeeper by choice whatever the tactics. We could easily be 6 points worse off, bottom 3 (only 4 points worse off), and approaching a Nathan Jones-type scenario. I'm usually optimistic, but I'm still not convinced we're on the right track with Pèlach. I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully Johansson is Pèlach's saving grace (no pun intended), helping keep the pressure off by winning us points, and we start to look better as the season goes on, with (it seems we always need them) a much-needed couple of successful injury comebacks and/or January signings. |
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Post by mcw on Nov 8, 2024 15:36:42 GMT
That'not lucky, it's the reason we bought him. My opinion is that Johansson is much better stopping shots than commanding his area so inviting shots and 1v1 situations works in his favour over having plenty of defensive players packed around him but limiting the opposition to one or two chances. Makes watching us very nerve racking though. Pèlach has been lucky that Johansson's been there to make so many point-winning saves. Especially when you're a new manager at a club that could feasibly be relegated, I don't think you invite that many shots against a goalkeeper by choice whatever the tactics. We could easily be 6 points worse off, bottom 3 (only 4 points worse off), and approaching a Nathan Jones-type scenario. I'm usually optimistic, but I'm still not convinced we're on the right track with Pèlach. I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully Johansson is Pèlach's saving grace (no pun intended), helping keep the pressure off by winning us points, and we start to look better as the season goes on, with (it seems we always need them) a much-needed couple of successful injury comebacks and/or January signings. We've are currently too weak in midfield and on Weds it was clear as day that we needed to shore that up. Seko slowly coming up to speed and I think him/Burger sitting may make us a bit more solid. We can't continue having Cannon/Manhoeff/Bae/Moran and Koumas all on the field at the same time for the time being as we are letting teams pass into midfield/down the channels and conceding far too many opportunities for the opposition to put balls into our box. I think the back 4/Johansson have done exceptionally well to keep us in games and limit teams to shots from distance generally. If we can fix midfield I think we have the makings of a decent side with Moran the advanced midfielder and rotating between Manhoeff/Bae and Koumas either side of Cannon. I really want Pelach to succeed, he seems to really really care and if we give him and the team time to gel then I think we could be on to a good thing. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 8, 2024 16:03:53 GMT
Thanks Frase!
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 8, 2024 16:10:07 GMT
In the absence of theonlooker (if you see this, hope you're alright fella 👍🏻) "That's lovely Fraze" |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2024 16:45:19 GMT
I'm with Homzy on this one. Based on absolutely no evidence but a gut feeling and blind optimism. Oh and I'm a Happy Clapper. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 8, 2024 16:49:03 GMT
Schumacher could never have had control of the situation as his line manager hated him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 8, 2024 16:50:05 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2024 16:50:43 GMT
Schumacher could never have had control of the situation as his line manager hated him. Did they really hate one another or is that an urban myth? |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 8, 2024 16:51:38 GMT
Pretty sure that Walters didn't like Schumacher at all. Not sure if it was reciprocated.
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Post by mrnovember on Nov 8, 2024 16:52:08 GMT
A lot clearly don’t like him because he’s foreign and it’s fucking disgusting. You really make a load of shit up in your head sometimes Bayern. Ive not seen one post hating the manager just because hes foreign. Honestly, it's giving me such joy watching him trying to peddle this narrative. Absolutely hilarious. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 8, 2024 16:53:31 GMT
This week on the Oatcake I love him he’s a tactical genius and an excellent manager of people.
Next week on the oatcake: What a clueless clown, which grounds in division one will everyone go to? should have kept Schuey.
And repeat… 😉🤣😉🤣
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2024 17:04:14 GMT
Pretty sure that Walters didn't like Schumacher at all. Not sure if it was reciprocated. Fair enough mate. I'd heard some rumours about Shuey's behaviour which might explain Walters' animosity. Unless it was a long standing Scouse Mafia type fall out kind of thing? |
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Post by swandog73 on Nov 8, 2024 17:05:12 GMT
Do we have a lucky manager at last? Or is it just that our luck is finally turning for the better? Not forgetting Johansson's played a huge part in most points we've got under Pèlach. Even when Johansson made a terrible mistake we won the game. I read the other day that Johansson has saved us 12pts! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 8, 2024 17:09:31 GMT
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2024 17:13:41 GMT
extremely positive from Homzy got to respect that view still concerned re decision making during games, the refusal to change the wing back system at Sheffield United was baffling as it was clear from a few minutes it wasn't working normally with rookie managers they get paired up with an experienced number 2 but that's not happened here |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 8, 2024 17:18:06 GMT
Being nasty....we will have to be that way against Millwall.
They usually turn up, crog a few players, nick a goal & hold on for dear life.
A win tomorrow against a team we always struggle against would be immense
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Post by Biblical on Nov 8, 2024 17:21:04 GMT
I’m still far from convinced that two up top works without Gallagher, particularly when the midfield two are Moran and Burger.
That being said I do see improvements, we’re drawing and even winning games we’d have lost under previous managers.
One of the more noticeable differences is in the intensity and work rate. It was injury time against Derby and Cannon was still ruining around like mad and even charged back to put in a cracking tackle near the halfway line against one of their players. I love that shit.
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