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Post by gingerninja on Nov 7, 2024 14:13:41 GMT
He's certainly easy to warm too, seems like a decent chap. Not sure whether he has really got us playing in a particular style yet to get behind. We certainly aren't bossing possession as he said we would when he came in, that said, have we the players at present to do so?.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 7, 2024 14:47:57 GMT
Perhaps Narcis is a lucky bastard.
We could do with some for a change.
Scoring penalties..
Goalkeeper heroics...
A long time since we've seen any of that.
Loving it at the moment.
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Post by thornestein on Nov 7, 2024 16:32:56 GMT
I’m really finding it hard to take to the bloke as at the end of the day it’s a results based business, far from impressed with what I’ve seen so far. We can’t keep conceding dozens of shots per game, last ditch tackles and obviously super Vik coming to the rescue umpteen times per game.We need a clear long term objective and not something bodged together week after week We can if we keep winning, as you say it's a results business. And we have 12 points from our last 7 league games by the way....... he’s been in charge of 9 games amassing 12points ,so 1.33ppg and a 33% win ratio , but results are on an upward trajectory for sure , still to early to properly judge |
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Post by femark on Nov 7, 2024 16:50:20 GMT
I think Gallagher proved in one game that he’s much more than a squad player in the way this manager wants to play. He’s what we’ve been missing for a long time now. Unfortunately he’s going to miss more games than he plays… You can’t judge properly from one game. It was very impressive but it was just one game. So you discredit the one game and judge him to be a squad player on no games? |
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Post by apb1 on Nov 7, 2024 17:14:27 GMT
You can’t judge properly from one game. It was very impressive but it was just one game. So you discredit the one game and judge him to be a squad player on no games? I am slightly worried that he didn't exactly make the same impact v Swansea that he did v Portsmouth. Who are clearly terrible. He *might* be the key to a really successful side, but we just can't be sure can we? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2024 17:22:35 GMT
He’s been getting results…. Sure RS stated last night we hadn’t scored away from home since beating Plymouth and if we hadn’t had scored last light we’d have equaled a record going back to 1997 We’ve lost 1 in 7 🤣🤣 |
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Post by questionable on Nov 7, 2024 17:23:32 GMT
I’m really finding it hard to take to the bloke as at the end of the day it’s a results based business, far from impressed with what I’ve seen so far. We can’t keep conceding dozens of shots per game, last ditch tackles and obviously super Vik coming to the rescue umpteen times per game. We need a clear long term objective and not something bodged together week after week Of course we should be rolling teams over every game because when we play another team they just turn up and don't want to win themselves. They won't have done their homework to counter us. They won't have trained and coached all week and they all have rubbish players making them easy to beat. Is this how you see it? So we also do our homework then and plan for the opposition, so plan A is let them have 80% possession, 35 shots at goal and run riot then we’ll hit them on the break, some plan that is and pretty much says we’re pretty clueless |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2024 17:24:30 GMT
Lawal has never played higher than League One and Gallagher has a lot to prove. Gallagher definitely should be a squad player. And Lawal for now too. But who knows how good he can be? There’s a lot of pressure on a bloke that failed at Celtic. Alongside Johansson they were the two players brought in to fill two gaping holes in our squad and judging by the money we paid were definitely seen as starters rather than squad players. Good though Seko is, his physique prevents him from being the beast of a defensive midfield destroyer we need. Johansson was proven at this level. Gallagher is too and the reviews weren’t great. Lawal is a complete unknown. And with his injury we shouldn’t expect anything from him any time soon. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2024 17:25:35 GMT
You can’t judge properly from one game. It was very impressive but it was just one game. So you discredit the one game and judge him to be a squad player on no games? I judge him to be a squad player based on his career. |
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Post by headsgoup on Nov 7, 2024 17:41:28 GMT
Xg means fuck all , far too much attention is paid to it . The only thing that matters is putting the ball in the net . Imagine our XG in the Pulis years, and that's as good as we've been for 40 years. xG for, sure. xG against in the era of Huth and Shawcross - that's a different matter. The problem is the heavy battering our goal is getting makes it difficult to tell if this is just good luck or not. Great team spirit though. |
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Nov 7, 2024 18:30:20 GMT
Somehow last night even though we were taking a battering in that first 45. I knew we were going to win it. Having a sensational goalkeeper helps but also having a manager that inspires the players to believe, to carry on and to fight. This helps as well. So much to work on because Viktor will have an off day and we will get absolutely thumped if we keep inviting pressure but long term I think this could be a great appointment with a little bit of Revolution and Evolution.
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 7, 2024 20:41:12 GMT
Still very undecided about Pelach. Don't think we are yet up to the table position we had when Schumacher was sacked.
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Post by onepara on Nov 7, 2024 20:56:37 GMT
Don't know whether I dare say this, but could we be benefitting from a New Coach bounce?
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Post by logdog on Nov 7, 2024 20:59:47 GMT
I think Gallagher proved in one game that he’s much more than a squad player in the way this manager wants to play. He’s what we’ve been missing for a long time now. Unfortunately he’s going to miss more games than he plays… You can’t judge properly from one game. It was very impressive but it was just one game. You’re right, you can’t judge him properly from one game, but before he came here, everything pointed to his strike partners scoring loads of goals off the back of his graft. That’s exactly what we saw against Pompey. It’s his fitness that’s going to be the problem. |
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Post by stokiekm on Nov 7, 2024 21:06:28 GMT
Of course we should be rolling teams over every game because when we play another team they just turn up and don't want to win themselves. They won't have done their homework to counter us. They won't have trained and coached all week and they all have rubbish players making them easy to beat. Is this how you see it? So we also do our homework then and plan for the opposition, so plan A is let them have 80% possession, 35 shots at goal and run riot then we’ll hit them on the break, some plan that is and pretty much says we’re pretty clueless Isn't that pretty much what leicester did for loads of games last season? Didn't do them any harm |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2024 22:07:51 GMT
You can’t judge properly from one game. It was very impressive but it was just one game. You’re right, you can’t judge him properly from one game, but before he came here, everything pointed to his strike partners scoring loads of goals off the back of his graft. That’s exactly what we saw against Pompey. It’s his fitness that’s going to be the problem. Yet the Blackburn fans slated him and said he was shit. We shall see what happens here. |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 8, 2024 7:43:59 GMT
So you discredit the one game and judge him to be a squad player on no games? I am slightly worried that he didn't exactly make the same impact v Swansea that he did v Portsmouth. Who are clearly terrible. He *might* be the key to a really successful side, but we just can't be sure can we? Why focus on the man. A big physical CF helps the attacking unit. He is one but his availability has been very poor. Just reinforces that if you want to play with one you need at least 2. That was a clear problem with the recruitment. We have 1 targetman type CF and 1 CAM if you are going to use Junho on the left. We have so many deep lying midfielders that when they’re all fit Sidibe will be 7th in the pecking order, possibly for one starting role as NP seems to be quite fond of playing Moran (his only CAM) as a deep lying midfielder. I find it as absurd as SS continually playing Burger as an advanced midfielder. Plenty of work still to do to balance the squad both in terms of outgoings and incomings. |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Nov 8, 2024 8:43:42 GMT
Hull home, we looked the better side for 30/35 minutes but clearly no where near fit enough to execute the high tempo style
Boro away, miles off it completely terrible
Pompey home, best performance since we come down, blew them away
Norwich home, good point aginst a side that taught us a lesson at home last year
Bristol home, real good start, should of been 3-0 and that would of put the game to bed, showed old habits by allowing the game slip, although that would of been a game we lost a while ago
Swansea away, started slow architects of our own downfall in the first half, handing them easy chances, but stayed in it and could of nicked it towards the end
Sheff u away, A game it felt like we we're never going to win, outplayed by a team with better players, it happens
Southampton away, young team going 2 down could of crumbled, they showed a level of belief that we could get back into the game and we could of nicked it at the end had million not had that one cleared off the line
Derby home, dominant and a deserved 3 point, showed character to get pegged back and then go and win it
Blackburn away, had plenty of chances, some cracking saves from Vik, weren't at the races in the first half, but not playing the best and finding a way to win is a good trait to have especially for a young side
Overall I think we're showing signs of promise, not the finished article by any strech but baby steps at the moment, a though game on Saturday but hopefully another 3 points before international break
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Post by solihullpotter on Nov 8, 2024 9:08:14 GMT
Blackburn peppered our goal but we had good chances as well. Are we expecting to instantly be the best in the division? This is obviously a project and let's hope this time we can stick with a manager long enough for him to impose a style and a philosophy.
Considering this is his first managerial appointment, coming in to manage a squad he didn't have a say in, I think he has done well.
Initially,I thought it was a puddled appointment by SJW. However, I have warmed to the Spaniard and like the way he is trying to shape a resilient side with good team spirit. Hopefully with wins will come confidence and better possession stats.
Turning the oil tanker round, that is the good ship SCFC, is no easy task and I think, on evidence so far, he deserves time.
A convincing win on Saturday and we are right back in it.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 8, 2024 9:16:13 GMT
You’re right, you can’t judge him properly from one game, but before he came here, everything pointed to his strike partners scoring loads of goals off the back of his graft. That’s exactly what we saw against Pompey. It’s his fitness that’s going to be the problem. Yet the Blackburn fans slated him and said he was shit. We shall see what happens here. No they didn’t. Most said he was decent but injury prone. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 8, 2024 9:21:47 GMT
Still very undecided about Pelach. Don't think we are yet up to the table position we had when Schumacher was sacked. That doesn't mean we'd have still been sat there now though, does it? That was 8/9 games ago now. |
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Post by Caddick988 on Nov 8, 2024 9:23:51 GMT
Blackburn peppered our goal but we had good chances as well. Are we expecting to instantly be the best in the division? This is obviously a project and let's hope this time we can stick with a manager long enough for him to impose a style and a philosophy. Considering this is his first managerial appointment, coming in to manage a squad he didn't have a say in, I think he has done well. Initially,I thought it was a puddled appointment by SJW. However, I have warmed to the Spaniard and like the way he is trying to shape a resilient side with good team spirit. Hopefully with wins will come confidence and better possession stats. Turning the oil tanker round, that is the good ship SCFC, is no easy task and I think, on evidence so far, he deserves time. A convincing win on Saturday and we are right back in it. I think this is the important thing, although we've conceded a large number of shots/chances, I feel like we're creating alot more goal-scoring opportunities so we're always giving ourselves a chance in games. In years gone by, it's been hardwork for us to create good chances, never mind score goals. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 8, 2024 10:11:19 GMT
Blackburn peppered our goal but we had good chances as well. Are we expecting to instantly be the best in the division? This is obviously a project and let's hope this time we can stick with a manager long enough for him to impose a style and a philosophy. Considering this is his first managerial appointment, coming in to manage a squad he didn't have a say in, I think he has done well. Initially,I thought it was a puddled appointment by SJW. However, I have warmed to the Spaniard and like the way he is trying to shape a resilient side with good team spirit. Hopefully with wins will come confidence and better possession stats. Turning the oil tanker round, that is the good ship SCFC, is no easy task and I think, on evidence so far, he deserves time. A convincing win on Saturday and we are right back in it. I think this is the important thing, although we've conceded a large number of shots/chances, I feel like we're creating alot more goal-scoring opportunities so we're always giving ourselves a chance in games. In years gone by, it's been hardwork for us to create good chances, never mind score goals. Thought the same as this after the Blackburn game - we seem to have found the ability to knick a goal without needing to be on top of a game. We'll need more time to see if this is just a blip and a coincidental run of games, or it is something emanating from a change in tactics or mentality. Either way, it feels like we are bit more ruthless going forward and quite a lot more solid at the back over the past three or four games. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 8, 2024 10:21:00 GMT
The jury is still out with me.
On the one hand our performances are very unconvincing and if it wasn't for brilliant goal keeping we would be in a relegation position.
On the other hand, results have moved us up the tables although it's so close does that mean anything? He does seem to have generated good team spirit, but it wasn't bad under Schuey.
The thing that impresses me most is that our second half performances are usually better than first half these days which is a significant change from recent years. That suggests he improves and corrects things at half time which suggests he knows what he is doing and players are responding.
Onwards and upwards.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2024 10:21:09 GMT
Yet the Blackburn fans slated him and said he was shit. We shall see what happens here. No they didn’t. Most said he was decent but injury prone. Not the ones I read. They were very happy he was leaving. |
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 8, 2024 10:21:24 GMT
Reading some of the posts on many of the threads, including the matchday one, tell me that many Stoke fans dont actually want the team to succeed
Whether thats due to a natural negativity, whether its to do with the nationality of the manager (some of the comments are appalling, downright racist almost - one calling him a 'greaser'!), wanting him gone, some for whatever reason wanting Schumacher back like he was the second coming (we was here 32 games, and bar a miracle end to last season would have been relegated - we won just 2 of the first 5 games this season), some pure hatred of the Coates/King/SJW hierarchy
I dont get it
Are we conceding too many shots - yes we are
Are we a very young, inexperienced side - yes we are. They will get better and better.
Is it 100x more exciting watching us go forward, attack opposition, score goals? - yes it is
Are we suffering with a few injuries to key players in the cog - yes we are (Gallagher makes a massive difference to Cannon etc)
I would rather have this gung ho approach and some intensity than some of the slow, boring, sideways bollocks we have had to endure over recent seasons.
We will win some, and lose some, thats football as we evolve - I think this guy will be special when he figures out/has available his best team and players.
A proper CDM (Lawal) suddenly makes midfield better
Seko looks an amazing find
That front line up young uns (Bae, Moran, Milli, Cannon, Koumas) is exciting.
We have a Prem standard goalie
Junior will get better, he has improved in the weeks NP has been here
Stevens improves the side, a real good pro
Glad he has figured out that Phillips needs to play every week
Rose, Wilmott, Gibson are experienced pros
We arent far off figuring it out, but I fear some peoples agendas are already set in stone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2024 10:24:37 GMT
Reading some of the posts on many of the threads, including the matchday one, tell me that many Stoke fans dont actually want the team to succeed Whether thats due to a natural negativity, whether its to do with the nationality of the manager (some of the comments are appalling, downright racist almost - one calling him a 'greaser'!), wanting him gone, some for whatever reason wanting Schumacher back like he was the second coming (we was here 32 games, and bar a miracle end to last season would have been relegated - we won just 2 of the first 5 games this season), some pure hatred of the Coates/King/SJW hierarchy I dont get it Are we conceding too many shots - yes we are Are we a very young, inexperienced side - yes we are. They will get better and better. Is it 100x more exciting watching us go forward, attack opposition, score goals? - yes it is Are we suffering with a few injuries to key players in the cog - yes we are (Gallagher makes a massive difference to Cannon etc) I would rather have this gung ho approach and some intensity than some of the slow, boring, sideways bollocks we have had to endure over recent seasons. We will win some, and lose some, thats football as we evolve - I think this guy will be special when he figures out/has available his best team and players. A proper CDM (Lawal) suddenly makes midfield better Seko looks an amazing find That front line up young uns (Bae, Moran, Milli, Cannon, Koumas) is exciting. We have a Prem standard goalie Junior will get better, he has improved in the weeks NP has been here Stevens improves the side, a real good pro Glad he has figured out that Phillips needs to play every week Rose, Wilmott, Gibson are experienced pros We arent far off figuring it out, but I fear some peoples agendas are already set in stone. A lot clearly don’t like him because he’s foreign and it’s fucking disgusting. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 8, 2024 10:28:31 GMT
Are we expecting to instantly be the best in the division? Yes, that was my one and only expectation when we appointed a new manager. This is exactly how I feel whenever we appoint any new manager, instantly becoming the best in the league. |
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Post by logdog on Nov 8, 2024 10:37:33 GMT
No they didn’t. Most said he was decent but injury prone. Not the ones I read. They were very happy he was leaving. I must have read the same ones as foxysgloves then Bayern…🙄🤦🏻♂️ |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 8, 2024 10:37:59 GMT
Obvious from what was seen on the pitch after the Blackburn game that the players really like the bloke. Might not seem much, but we've had far too many tossers who have downed tools in recent times due to one thing or another.
It's actually fun to watch us at the minute. yes, I moaned about conceding too many chances, but as said above, most of the games under Pelach so far have been very watchable and he can't instantly make a chicken salad with bits of chicken shit, can he?
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