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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 17:23:08 GMT
I’m still far from convinced that two up top works without Gallagher, particularly when the midfield two are Moran and Burger. That being said I do see improvements, we’re drawing and even winning games we’d have lost under previous managers. One of the more noticeable differences is in the intensity and work rate. It was injury time against Derby and Cannon was still ruining around like mad and even charged back to put in a cracking tackle near the halfway line against one of their players. I love that shit. I know people have said we would have won some of his earlier games under Schumacher (Hull at home for example), but on the flip side after conceding that own goal against Derby I think we'd have gone on to lose that game under the previous manager..... |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 8, 2024 18:06:27 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 8, 2024 18:37:12 GMT
Do we have a lucky manager at last? Or is it just that our luck is finally turning for the better? Not forgetting Johansson's played a huge part in most points we've got under Pèlach. Even when Johansson made a terrible mistake we won the game. I read the other day that Johansson has saved us 12pts! I saw he's saved 59 shots, compared to the next highest in the Championship, 44! Edit: just found this, and team-wise we're equal with Plymouth on 59 shots saved: fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/Championship-Stats#:~:text=Squad%20Goalkeeping,2024%2D2025%20Championship |
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Post by ceejays on Nov 9, 2024 0:40:49 GMT
While he seems to be building team spirit his tactics are ( as many are saying) very questionable. We can’t have two in midfield with wingers ( million and Junho) who are erratic at tracking back. We simply don’t stop the crosses. Apart from Portsmouth ( although we went into defence mode once Gallagher went off ) and Derby we haven’t played well. He says we are nasty but to my eyes we are passive and don’t really tackle that much . Ok we have Gallagher lawal and Pearson missing so I guess we cut him some slack until they return. Probably in January you’d think though Pearson later . I’ve yet to be convinced
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Post by george2again on Nov 9, 2024 1:09:37 GMT
While he seems to be building team spirit his tactics are ( as many are saying) very questionable. We can’t have two in midfield with wingers ( million and Junho) who are erratic at tracking back. We simply don’t stop the crosses. Apart from Portsmouth ( although we went into defence mode once Gallagher went off ) and Derby we haven’t played well. He says we are nasty but to my eyes we are passive and don’t really tackle that much . Ok we have Gallagher lawal and Pearson missing so I guess we cut him some slack until they return. Probably in January you’d think though Pearson later . I’ve yet to be convinced Nor me. The two in centre mid is an awful blind spot he has and continuing it will be his downfall. Absolute idiocy of the highest order. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 9, 2024 1:21:50 GMT
That'not lucky, it's the reason we bought him. My opinion is that Johansson is much better stopping shots than commanding his area so inviting shots and 1v1 situations works in his favour over having plenty of defensive players packed around him but limiting the opposition to one or two chances. Makes watching us very nerve racking though. Pèlach has been lucky that Johansson's been there to make so many point-winning saves. Especially when you're a new manager at a club with a young squad that could feasibly be relegated, I don't think you invite that many shots against a goalkeeper by choice whatever the tactics. We could easily be 6 points worse off, bottom 3 (only 4 points worse off), and approaching a Nathan Jones-type scenario. I'm usually optimistic, but I'm still not convinced we're on the right track with Pèlach. I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully Johansson is Pèlach's saving grace (no pun intended), helping keep the pressure off by winning us points, and we start to look better as the season goes on, with (it seems we always need them) a much-needed couple of successful injury comebacks and/or January signings. I never get the statement that teams were lucky they won because the gk had a blinder. You never hear that a team are lucky because a striker scores a high percentage of his chances or were unlucky that their cf couldn't hit a barn door of their gk couldn't make a save.. They are both members of the team, have been coached by the staff and the club have seen the potential for them to be useful members of the team. Johanssen was one of the best gks in the Championship last season but Rotherham were relegated as bottom team. He's not scoring or creating the goals for Stoke but his performances are allowing us to play a high risk game which is far more exciting than ten men behind the ball. We are benefitting at the moment from his fine form but also because of the greatly improved running stats, organisation and commitment of the others and long may it continue but I think by saying we are lucky to have him you do a disservice to the club and the efforts of the coaching team. The players are beginning to understand exactly which part of the pitch they personally need to take reponsibility for when we lose the ball. |
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Post by headsgoup on Nov 9, 2024 8:39:25 GMT
Pèlach has been lucky that Johansson's been there to make so many point-winning saves. Especially when you're a new manager at a club with a young squad that could feasibly be relegated, I don't think you invite that many shots against a goalkeeper by choice whatever the tactics. We could easily be 6 points worse off, bottom 3 (only 4 points worse off), and approaching a Nathan Jones-type scenario. I'm usually optimistic, but I'm still not convinced we're on the right track with Pèlach. I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully Johansson is Pèlach's saving grace (no pun intended), helping keep the pressure off by winning us points, and we start to look better as the season goes on, with (it seems we always need them) a much-needed couple of successful injury comebacks and/or January signings. I never get the statement that teams were lucky they won because the gk had a blinder. You never hear that a team are lucky because a striker scores a high percentage of his chances or were unlucky that their cf couldn't hit a barn door of their gk couldn't make a save.. They are both members of the team, have been coached by the staff and the club have seen the potential for them to be useful members of the team. Johanssen was one of the best gks in the Championship last season but Rotherham were relegated as bottom team. He's not scoring or creating the goals for Stoke but his performances are allowing us to play a high risk game which is far more exciting than ten men behind the ball. We are benefitting at the moment from his fine form but also because of the greatly improved running stats, organisation and commitment of the others and long may it continue but I think by saying we are lucky to have him you do a disservice to the club and the efforts of the coaching team. The players are beginning to understand exactly which part of the pitch they personally need to take reponsibility for when we lose the ball. Sure for an individual game, but we've established a pattern of play where we're set up to concede chances every five minutes or so. You don't get away with that forever, no matter how good your keeper is. People have said that to have sharpness at the business end, we need to accept leakiness at the other, but it's not true. We've looked both solid and dangerous with three midfielders on the park, especially in a 4231/433 with two sitting. We can have it both ways. That said, this is beginning to feel a little bit like when Tony Pulis essentially broke football by giving up possession entirely. Maybe if we win 3 then lose to a cricket score for the rest of the season, we will roar to the title. Anyone for the record points total/record defeat double? |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 9, 2024 9:21:02 GMT
Pèlach has been lucky that Johansson's been there to make so many point-winning saves. Especially when you're a new manager at a club with a young squad that could feasibly be relegated, I don't think you invite that many shots against a goalkeeper by choice whatever the tactics. We could easily be 6 points worse off, bottom 3 (only 4 points worse off), and approaching a Nathan Jones-type scenario. I'm usually optimistic, but I'm still not convinced we're on the right track with Pèlach. I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully Johansson is Pèlach's saving grace (no pun intended), helping keep the pressure off by winning us points, and we start to look better as the season goes on, with (it seems we always need them) a much-needed couple of successful injury comebacks and/or January signings. I never get the statement that teams were lucky they won because the gk had a blinder. You never hear that a team are lucky because a striker scores a high percentage of his chances or were unlucky that their cf couldn't hit a barn door of their gk couldn't make a save.. They are both members of the team, have been coached by the staff and the club have seen the potential for them to be useful members of the team. Johanssen was one of the best gks in the Championship last season but Rotherham were relegated as bottom team. He's not scoring or creating the goals for Stoke but his performances are allowing us to play a high risk game which is far more exciting than ten men behind the ball. We are benefitting at the moment from his fine form but also because of the greatly improved running stats, organisation and commitment of the others and long may it continue but I think by saying we are lucky to have him you do a disservice to the club and the efforts of the coaching team. The players are beginning to understand exactly which part of the pitch they personally need to take reponsibility for when we lose the ball. I’m just not seeing this “exciting” you’re referring to I think we’re quite boring to watch personally under Pellach. There again imo most modern coaches seem to overthink the game be nice if they just played players in positions in which they’ve developed. There is the odd notable anomaly where a coach has repositioned a player but mainly it’s just arrogance and stupidity that they know better than anyone who’s previously been involved with the player. If you want 2 deep lying midfielders play 2 deep lying midfielders, if you want 2 advanced midfielders play 2 advanced midfielders. How many games has this simple common sense been deployed this season by either HC answer very few. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 9, 2024 13:26:27 GMT
Still very undecided about Pelach. Don't think we are yet up to the table position we had when Schumacher was sacked. That doesn't mean we'd have still been sat there now though, does it? That was 8/9 games ago now. My point exactly, 8/9 games ago and still worse |
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 9, 2024 13:28:00 GMT
That doesn't mean we'd have still been sat there now though, does it? That was 8/9 games ago now. My point exactly, 8/9 games ago and still worse 🙄 |
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 9, 2024 13:32:37 GMT
Reading some of the posts on many of the threads, including the matchday one, tell me that many Stoke fans dont actually want the team to succeed Whether thats due to a natural negativity, whether its to do with the nationality of the manager (some of the comments are appalling, downright racist almost - one calling him a 'greaser'!), wanting him gone, some for whatever reason wanting Schumacher back like he was the second coming (we was here 32 games, and bar a miracle end to last season would have been relegated - we won just 2 of the first 5 games this season), some pure hatred of the Coates/King/SJW hierarchy I dont get it Are we conceding too many shots - yes we are Are we a very young, inexperienced side - yes we are. They will get better and better. Is it 100x more exciting watching us go forward, attack opposition, score goals? - yes it is Are we suffering with a few injuries to key players in the cog - yes we are (Gallagher makes a massive difference to Cannon etc) I would rather have this gung ho approach and some intensity than some of the slow, boring, sideways bollocks we have had to endure over recent seasons. We will win some, and lose some, thats football as we evolve - I think this guy will be special when he figures out/has available his best team and players. A proper CDM (Lawal) suddenly makes midfield better Seko looks an amazing find That front line up young uns (Bae, Moran, Milli, Cannon, Koumas) is exciting. We have a Prem standard goalie Junior will get better, he has improved in the weeks NP has been here Stevens improves the side, a real good pro Glad he has figured out that Phillips needs to play every week Rose, Wilmott, Gibson are experienced pros We arent far off figuring it out, but I fear some peoples agendas are already set in stone. A lot clearly don’t like him because he’s foreign and it’s fucking disgusting. And your proof is? I would love Stoke to win promotion and be highly successful as would all Stoke supporters. Are you saying that a foreign manager cannot be criticised and if they are it's racist? That in itself is racist surely? Football is a performance based game and we clearly aren't performing |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 9, 2024 14:39:31 GMT
Today was probably the best performance since his arrival.
Stopped the initial rot when he was first appointed, with players to come back hopefully we can finally have something to build from.
There’s a different atmosphere now which there hasn’t been for quite some time.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 9, 2024 14:41:33 GMT
Today was probably the best performance since his arrival. Stopped the initial rot when he was first appointed, with players to come back hopefully we can finally have something to build from. There’s a different atmosphere now which there hasn’t been for quite some time. Certainly feeling a bit more togetherness and a bit more of a connection to this lot. This club is far more like itself when we're all together. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Nov 9, 2024 15:34:57 GMT
Increasingly feels like bringing him in was the right decision.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 9, 2024 15:50:37 GMT
Our resilience is impressive.
Coming back from a goal down was huge today.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 9, 2024 15:58:28 GMT
In no way was that a complete performance BUT it did look competent in many areas.
Again we are improving in the second half of games and finishing strongly. We were favourites to win it by the end - which is all promisisng signs
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 9, 2024 16:11:03 GMT
Some really good passages of play today. Still lots of work to do though.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 9, 2024 16:12:47 GMT
Much better today. He started Seko, we had a midfield 3 for most of the game, and as a result we looked the better side.
We definitely look better going forward under him, so if he can avoid going back to the kamikaze 4-4-2, we should be alright.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Nov 9, 2024 16:22:34 GMT
Getting better by the week after an alarming first few weeks. I’ve been outlining all the reasons why to my eldest all afternoon, calling on all of my 45 years of watching Stoke, and the in-depth game knowledge I’ve accumulated over those years. My lad however, is adamant that we just play better when he wears the beige sweater.
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2024 16:23:15 GMT
this may sound daft given we didn't win & we put 6 past Portsmouth but I actually think today was the best performance so far under Pelach
Composed, good passing throughout, lack of clear cut chances but was down to Millwall's excellent defensive performance
Good subs too, although Wilmot for Junior was an odd one
as with Norwich game these type of matches we have routinely lost 0.1 for years & great to see that change
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 9, 2024 16:34:11 GMT
1 defeat in 8
Yes a few draws but in past would have lost those.
Me hopes we are turning the corner 🙏
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Post by banksy1art on Nov 9, 2024 16:36:44 GMT
Have to say I’m very happy with him so far, the results, the way he talks, and the connection he is building is fantastic.
Long may it continue
It’s easy to forget that we were an inch off beating a premier league team away from home and being in the quarter finals of the cup!
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Post by marwood on Nov 9, 2024 16:44:00 GMT
Good balanced interview post match
He managed to get in the fact that it was a stone cold penalty but in a pragmatic away
Calm under pressure
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 9, 2024 16:50:27 GMT
Our resilience is impressive. Coming back from a goal down was huge today. Especially against those shithouse lumberjacks |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Nov 9, 2024 16:51:48 GMT
Our resilience is impressive. Coming back from a goal down was huge today. Especially against this shithouse lumberjacks I'm certain Shithouse Lumberjacks supported World of Twist. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 9, 2024 17:36:55 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 9, 2024 17:44:27 GMT
I never get the statement that teams were lucky they won because the gk had a blinder. You never hear that a team are lucky because a striker scores a high percentage of his chances or were unlucky that their cf couldn't hit a barn door of their gk couldn't make a save.. They are both members of the team, have been coached by the staff and the club have seen the potential for them to be useful members of the team. Johanssen was one of the best gks in the Championship last season but Rotherham were relegated as bottom team. He's not scoring or creating the goals for Stoke but his performances are allowing us to play a high risk game which is far more exciting than ten men behind the ball. We are benefitting at the moment from his fine form but also because of the greatly improved running stats, organisation and commitment of the others and long may it continue but I think by saying we are lucky to have him you do a disservice to the club and the efforts of the coaching team. The players are beginning to understand exactly which part of the pitch they personally need to take reponsibility for when we lose the ball. I’m just not seeing this “exciting” you’re referring to I think we’re quite boring to watch personally under Pellach. There again imo most modern coaches seem to overthink the game be nice if they just played players in positions in which they’ve developed. There is the odd notable anomaly where a coach has repositioned a player but mainly it’s just arrogance and stupidity that they know better than anyone who’s previously been involved with the player. If you want 2 deep lying midfielders play 2 deep lying midfielders, if you want 2 advanced midfielders play 2 advanced midfielders. How many games has this simple common sense been deployed this season by either HC answer very few. Are you watching Stoke City?We have a centre forward running in behind for the first time in ages, 2 wide men willing to dribble, sometimes another striker and an attacking midfielder and one full back pushed in. We are actively trying to win games by being proactive. All this with a squad light in midfield and lacking a proper RB. Long way to go but much better than watching Gooch as a number 10 |
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Post by stokiedan17 on Nov 9, 2024 17:45:13 GMT
I like it. First manager I feel has actually come in and worked on motivating the players |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 9, 2024 17:52:39 GMT
Ok. So it’s a bit (lot) cheesy. It’s just words. And it’s not exactly original. But….it does get the heart pumping and if it means Pelach can recreate the type of team spirit we saw under Macari, Pulis and Hughes then I’m all for it. It definitely seems to be translating onto the pitch where the players look like they care and are playing for each other. |
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Post by baconburger on Nov 9, 2024 17:57:14 GMT
I’m just not seeing this “exciting” you’re referring to I think we’re quite boring to watch personally under Pellach. There again imo most modern coaches seem to overthink the game be nice if they just played players in positions in which they’ve developed. There is the odd notable anomaly where a coach has repositioned a player but mainly it’s just arrogance and stupidity that they know better than anyone who’s previously been involved with the player. If you want 2 deep lying midfielders play 2 deep lying midfielders, if you want 2 advanced midfielders play 2 advanced midfielders. How many games has this simple common sense been deployed this season by either HC answer very few. Are you watching Stoke City?We have a centre forward running in behind for the first time in ages, 2 wide men willing to dribble, sometimes another striker and an attacking midfielder and one full back pushed in. We are actively trying to win games by being proactive. All this with a squad light in midfield and lacking a proper RB. Long way to go but much better than watching Gooch as a number 10 WTF ? light in midfield really? what the actual fuck. We might be lightweight in midfield but we actually have far too many deep lying midfielders. SS had his quirks just as NP has. Watching us I feel we’re less fluent under NP but more resilient. I know that’s what many wanted but it really doesn’t do much for me. |
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