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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2024 17:58:17 GMT
A hopeful punt into the box and a miscommunication between captain and keeper let them back into the game, in the 12 mins between Seko going off and their goal we actually exploited the space a couple of times and should have scored. If Seko was feeling it makes sense to bring him off, Thompson may have been the more pragmatic sub in theory but we won ultimately…. It was a fucking awful sub. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 2, 2024 18:04:42 GMT
The seko sub was weird, it’s the equivalent of Man City taking Rodri off while winning 1-0 against arsenal. This was the same level of importance of game for us. Totally killed us as a team. I would love to know the reasoning for it. And then not to bring another midfielder on? Utter madness. I guess he was taken off because he played the full 90 on Tuesday in his first start and they felt another 90 today would be a risk but as you say very strange to replace him with Koumas. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 2, 2024 18:07:10 GMT
So 9 points from 8 games. Schumacher had 12 from 12…….  |
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Post by thornestein on Nov 2, 2024 18:09:49 GMT
The stats suggest we're not better - in fact very much worse - but I agree we look more like scoring. Up to today though we've looked 10 times more likely to concede. The first time I've seen any pattern of play (that doesn't involve passing it about at the back to draw a press then just twatting it long) was today when we were finally utilising the 3 in midfield to play out from the back more effectively. That completely went though when Seko went off and we went back to being clueless in possession. I'm not impressed at all by Pelach, and I wasn't exactly bowled over by Schumacher either. Which stats are you looking at that suggest we're worse under the new man than schumacher? i think he means his win ratio and points per game , both worse than schumacher |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 2, 2024 18:40:04 GMT
Which stats are you looking at that suggest we're worse under the new man than schumacher? i think he means his win ratio and points per game , both worse than schumacher Aah ok,cheers,not sure where the very much worse comment comes from but maybe he'll explain it another time. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 2, 2024 18:40:59 GMT
Totally deserved the win but he really needs to bin this idea we can play with just two central midfielders. Taking Seko off gave them the momentum and couldn’t cope in the midfield. It was a really strange sub. He’s got to do better with shit like that. And have the balls to drop Gibson. He’s not comfortable at all on the ball and has gotten very slow The late withdrawal of Rose and Wilmot means we will never know that may have been the plan |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 2, 2024 18:43:11 GMT
Do agree with those challenging the koumas sub/ shape sub, it threw the game open became end to end and a better team than Derby aka Bristol and Hull exploit that so,lesson definitely not learned yet
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 2, 2024 20:48:22 GMT
Our away form needs addressing, no better time to start than on Wednesday…..
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 2, 2024 21:23:28 GMT
A hopeful punt into the box and a miscommunication between captain and keeper let them back into the game, in the 12 mins between Seko going off and their goal we actually exploited the space a couple of times and should have scored. If Seko was feeling it makes sense to bring him off, Thompson may have been the more pragmatic sub in theory but we won ultimately…. It was a fucking awful sub. I like chicho but that was a terrible decision today and feel he got away with one. It should have been Manhoef who should have come off |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 3, 2024 1:50:51 GMT
On the plus side I would just ask people to watch his reaction to the equaliser. No pointing fingers or show of disappointment, just a calm down gesture. That gives the players the belief that the the fates aren't against them and they can get back in the lead.
That shows that he is not Nathan Jones mark II. Passionate yes, but also capable of controlling his emotions. After all he probably had more to lose than anyone with that equaliser but just showed a shrug of the shoulders and to quote him, " It is what it is, get on with the game."
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 3, 2024 2:26:11 GMT
He’s made mistakes but who doesn’t.
I do however feel on the whole he’s taking us in the right direction and you can see he’s an intelligent manager who’s trying to get us on the front foot.
The thing I like about him is that he picks players on form and seems very fair with the players not having favourites.
I’m not sure Seko would have got the chance today with a few of our previous managers.
It’ll be interesting how we shape up after a window and when we get Lawal and Gallagher back. Then we’ll see what he’s really about.
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Post by andycooke96 on Nov 3, 2024 4:17:14 GMT
Yesterday was a much needed win. Game became too open in the second half and that’s been constant in his 8 league games really. We definitely look better going forward but I’m still unsure as to what style of play he’s trying to implement, beyond pressing further up the pitch. The fact the players are clearly buying into him and that we didn’t allow our heads to drop at 1-1 is also a big positive as well.
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Post by mamathestriker on Nov 3, 2024 7:14:57 GMT
He’s made mistakes but who doesn’t. I do however feel on the whole he’s taking us in the right direction and you can see he’s an intelligent manager who’s trying to get us on the front foot. The thing I like about him is that he picks players on form and seems very fair with the players not having favourites. I’m not sure Seko would have got the chance today with a few of our previous managers. It’ll be interesting how we shape up after a window and when we get Lawal and Gallagher back. Then we’ll see what he’s really about. Yesterday was a huge win for him, we kinda needed a gritty win like that under him. Really pleased for him, key now is to follow it up. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 3, 2024 7:18:08 GMT
The stats suggest we're not better - in fact very much worse - but I agree we look more like scoring. Up to today though we've looked 10 times more likely to concede. The first time I've seen any pattern of play (that doesn't involve passing it about at the back to draw a press then just twatting it long) was today when we were finally utilising the 3 in midfield to play out from the back more effectively. That completely went though when Seko went off and we went back to being clueless in possession. I'm not impressed at all by Pelach, and I wasn't exactly bowled over by Schumacher either. Which stats are you looking at that suggest we're worse under the new man than schumacher? I don't know how to embed tweets on here, but Potterlytics on Twitter has done an XG average which backs up what I've been seeing with my own eyes. We've conceded a frightening number of shots under Pelach, and have been indebted to our goalkeeper for keeping more shots out than he statistically should be. Over time though, the sort of numbers we're seeing will catch up with you. It's entirely down to Pelach's bizarre insistence on playing a midfield 2 as the opposition keep overloading us. His response to that has been to put an extra defender in for certain games and go 5-2-3, which makes the problem even worse as then we just sit back and wait for the inevitable. His switch to a 4-3-3 gave us the platform to get a grip on the game yesterday, and the control we had began to slip as soon as he (bizarrely) changed back to 4-4-2. Yes, we still had chances, but they began to have them too and they'd done absolutely nothing up to that point. He needs to learn fast because all I'm seeing is someone who's tactically naive and seems desperate to do something different to what Schumacher was doing, regardless of whether it works or not. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 3, 2024 11:13:48 GMT
Which stats are you looking at that suggest we're worse under the new man than schumacher? I don't know how to embed tweets on here, but Potterlytics on Twitter has done an XG average which backs up what I've been seeing with my own eyes. We've conceded a frightening number of shots under Pelach, and have been indebted to our goalkeeper for keeping more shots out than he statistically should be. Over time though, the sort of numbers we're seeing will catch up with you. It's entirely down to Pelach's bizarre insistence on playing a midfield 2 as the opposition keep overloading us. His response to that has been to put an extra defender in for certain games and go 5-2-3, which makes the problem even worse as then we just sit back and wait for the inevitable. His switch to a 4-3-3 gave us the platform to get a grip on the game yesterday, and the control we had began to slip as soon as he (bizarrely) changed back to 4-4-2. Yes, we still had chances, but they began to have them too and they'd done absolutely nothing up to that point. He needs to learn fast because all I'm seeing is someone who's tactically naive and seems desperate to do something different to what Schumacher was doing, regardless of whether it works or not. Yes, that's pretty much how I see it too. Ecstatic that we came away with 3 points though and we had great spells of play, that was pleasing on the eye. |
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Nov 3, 2024 11:50:00 GMT
Don’t know the stats, but it definitely felt like a ‘normal game’ yesterday in that in any ‘normal game’ chances will be conceded and keepers will have to make saves.
I definitely saw an improvement in terms of chances conceded and passasges of play, it felt like we controlled the game much more than previous games, albeit against a very poor team.
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Post by etebojan on Nov 3, 2024 12:52:38 GMT
Was impressed that he did actually give Seko a start (as many of us hoped he would following his performance vs Southampton), I can't imagine any of the recent managers giving him a league start straight after a cup start, am sure they would have frustratingly and over cautiously introduced him over a period off the bench.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 3, 2024 13:02:00 GMT
Unless Gallagher is available, he really needs to bin 442. Until he realises that, I won't be 100% sold on him.
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Post by thornestein on Nov 3, 2024 13:06:12 GMT
Unless Gallagher is available, he really needs to bin 442. Until he realises that, I won't be 100% sold on him. agree , there’s a reason 442 became out of fashion , you get over run in midfield to easily |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 4, 2024 14:00:55 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgx9mg8zxpo"There's a really great feeling about the place - and that's down to the gaffer and the coaching staff. For me, he's a great gaffer. I've learnt a lot from him already." I know there's always a lot of fluff for public consumption in interviews, but I have been struck by the positive way they all seem to speak of Pelach. Even Enda Stevens, who's another that's been around the block a few times in this division, along with Gibson, was pretty effusive about him the other week. So while it's not all been great on the pitch so far, it's a good straw in the wind that things may be on a decent trajectory.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 4, 2024 14:08:39 GMT
He certainly seems popular with the players. You wouldn't have thought pro's would be impressed with meetings galore and extra long days, but they certainly seem to be buying into what's he's preaching. Be good to see the team with a full compliment, with a few quality additions in January.
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Post by Stoke711 on Nov 4, 2024 19:56:12 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgx9mg8zxpo"There's a really great feeling about the place - and that's down to the gaffer and the coaching staff. For me, he's a great gaffer. I've learnt a lot from him already." I know there's always a lot of fluff for public consumption in interviews, but I have been struck by the positive way they all seem to speak of Pelach. Even Enda Stevens, who's another that's been around the block a few times in this division, along with Gibson, was pretty effusive about him the other week. So while it's not all been great on the pitch so far, it's a good straw in the wind that things may be on a decent trajectory. How honest and humble Andrew Moran is, said he was shocked to win it, didn't think he did that much to win it. Fair play to the lad. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 5, 2024 14:07:35 GMT
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Post by delilahwhy on Nov 5, 2024 15:58:18 GMT
Anything of note, Grapey? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 5, 2024 16:11:24 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 5, 2024 16:17:46 GMT
He's clearly a likeable fellow, I like his positivity, but he has to get more wins to galvanise that positivity.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 5, 2024 16:27:18 GMT
A hopeful punt into the box and a miscommunication between captain and keeper let them back into the game, in the 12 mins between Seko going off and their goal we actually exploited the space a couple of times and should have scored. If Seko was feeling it makes sense to bring him off, Thompson may have been the more pragmatic sub in theory but we won ultimately…. It was a fucking awful sub. We won the game and we've got a player fit to play in the next game! Sounds like a successful substitution to me. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Nov 5, 2024 16:42:51 GMT
If we get easily turned over, I'll be concerned. They've won just 1 in 6, so won't be high on confidence. The result and performance will be a decent gauge of where we're at. |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Nov 5, 2024 16:55:49 GMT
Wasn't it only last season that they were on a poor run of form and they beat us 3-2?
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 5, 2024 17:53:00 GMT
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