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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 14:10:03 GMT
Either way, McKenna had never managed a club had he? no but coaching first team there is still significantly more impressive than Norwich & he got a league 1 club cant remember if he took over mid season or not this is an absurd appointment I don't agree with the last comment there, Lorders. Time will tell. Is a gamble but a very well respected coach. It could be a disaster of course but would rather a left field foreigner than another Alex Neil. Feel for SS |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 14:13:01 GMT
no but coaching first team there is still significantly more impressive than Norwich & he got a league 1 club cant remember if he took over mid season or not this is an absurd appointment I don't agree with the last comment there, Lorders. Time will tell. Is a gamble but a very well respected coach. It could be a disaster of course but would rather a left field foreigner than another Alex Neil. Feel for SS wouldn't have a problem with a left field foreigner if they had some kind of record to hang your hat on a promotion here, some other type of managerial success there this is absolutely an absurd appointment, the least qualified manager/head coach we have ever had (bar caretakers) we have had since Frank Taylor |
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 16, 2024 14:13:43 GMT
I'd be very surprised if he's offered the job after the owners have seen the reaction on here.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 14:14:30 GMT
I don't agree with the last comment there, Lorders. Time will tell. Is a gamble but a very well respected coach. It could be a disaster of course but would rather a left field foreigner than another Alex Neil. Feel for SS wouldn't have a problem with a left field foreigner if they had some kind of record to hang your hat on a promotion here, some other type of managerial success there this is absolutely an absurd appointment, the lest qualified manager/head coach we have ever had (bar caretakers) we have had since Frank Taylor Neil had all the experience at this level and was an absolute catastrophe. |
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 16, 2024 14:15:53 GMT
I'd be very surprised if he's offered the job after the owners have seen the reaction on here. Much like making decisions from advice from mates in the pub, I hope the team know not to listen to The Oatcake and make the decisions they're employed to make. |
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 16, 2024 14:16:07 GMT
I don't agree with the last comment there, Lorders. Time will tell. Is a gamble but a very well respected coach. It could be a disaster of course but would rather a left field foreigner than another Alex Neil. Feel for SS wouldn't have a problem with a left field foreigner if they had some kind of record to hang your hat on a promotion here, some other type of managerial success there this is absolutely an absurd appointment, the lest qualified manager/head coach we have ever had (bar caretakers) we have had since Frank Taylor We’re not an attractive project for any manager/coach anymore with any kind of credentials …the biggest pull for us was our owners which seems to have gone to shit…we’ve hired n fired like Watford🔴⚪️ |
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 16, 2024 14:19:18 GMT
I was impressed with the interview. I've never comes across a good manager who isn't impressive to listen to. The best ones give you the impression they could be good at anything they turned their hands to. It isn't a guarantee, but at least he clears that bar. That's what worries me with Lee Carsley. He and Darren Moore are the least impressive speakers I've seen in football management for a while. He won't be doing any interviews FM. Walters is the poster-boy. Never known anyone like the sound of their own voice as much as him, he loves a camera. |
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 16, 2024 14:19:53 GMT
wouldn't have a problem with a left field foreigner if they had some kind of record to hang your hat on a promotion here, some other type of managerial success there this is absolutely an absurd appointment, the lest qualified manager/head coach we have ever had (bar caretakers) we have had since Frank Taylor We’re not an attractive project for any manager/coach anymore with any kind of credentials …the biggest pull for us was our owners which seems to have gone to shit…we’ve hired n fired like Watford🔴⚪️ I think it would be a case of someone with a bit of ego thinking they can get a tune where others can't. Because if they get a tune out of the squad they'll be backed. |
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Post by george2again on Sept 16, 2024 14:20:16 GMT
Sorry this is just bonkers. Sacking SS is fair enough but hanging hat on this guy is bonkers. We need an experienced head to mould these youngsters together. Recent experience says inexperienced managers at Stoke get chewed up.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Sept 16, 2024 14:20:44 GMT
I'd be very surprised if he's offered the job after the owners have seen the reaction on here. Thankfully they won't be doing that. If they did that for managers or signings on here we'd be managerless and squadless as someone on here will never be happy with whoever we get managing us or playing for us 😅 |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2024 14:20:48 GMT
Going on previous seasons this time next year we will be looking for another "Change in direction". We’ve had more changes in direction that the Coates Chopper picking up managers Said this many times the owner doesn't have any footballing beliefs so just thrashes about being convinced the latest person to walk in his office and tell him the way forward is the one. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2024 14:22:07 GMT
I'd be very surprised if he's offered the job after the owners have seen the reaction on here. It would certainly be extremely high risk for JW knowing the fans aren't with it and if it went wrong he'd be in the firing line himself. It's an absolutely massive call for him and one I certainly wouldn't make if I valued my position at the club. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 14:23:22 GMT
wouldn't have a problem with a left field foreigner if they had some kind of record to hang your hat on a promotion here, some other type of managerial success there this is absolutely an absurd appointment, the lest qualified manager/head coach we have ever had (bar caretakers) we have had since Frank Taylor We’re not an attractive project for any manager/coach anymore with any kind of credentials …the biggest pull for us was our owners which seems to have gone to shit…we’ve hired n fired like Watford🔴⚪️ Simply not true as our previous 2 managers left good jobs and teams above us to join us |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2024 14:27:01 GMT
wouldn't have a problem with a left field foreigner if they had some kind of record to hang your hat on a promotion here, some other type of managerial success there this is absolutely an absurd appointment, the lest qualified manager/head coach we have ever had (bar caretakers) we have had since Frank Taylor We’re not an attractive project for any manager/coach anymore with any kind of credentials …the biggest pull for us was our owners which seems to have gone to shit…we’ve hired n fired like Watford🔴⚪️ Except Watford actually do it on purpose |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 16, 2024 14:27:58 GMT
And we know there has been an argument that that directly resulted in the sacking as fact do we? ...or do we believe the other rumour that the wheels have been in motion since last week to replace SS? It's just been the international break. If you wanted to sack him, you'd have done that at the start and give the manager 2 weeks. Even better gone in the summer of you didn't fancy him. They've fallen out. I hope that Schumacher stuck to his guns, told him he's manager and roundly told him to fuck off. He come across as a man of his word and I reckon that's why he's gone. He wouldn't play to Walters tune. Why do you dislike Walter’s so much and jump to these conclusions as if anyone knows what has gone on. JW cares about the club and has its best interests at heart, also his reputation on the line. Fans used to complain when we let a manager stay too long now they have made a quick decision they are getting blasted for that. Now I’m not a massive fan of jc but at least they have acted now |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 14:28:23 GMT
So we have sacked Shue with no replacment ready to come in.
If we are turned down by the ones we are interested in,we will end up with another loser who is out of work because he is shite.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2024 14:29:33 GMT
I'd be very surprised if he's offered the job after the owners have seen the reaction on here. It would certainly be extremely high risk for JW knowing the fans aren't with it and if it went wrong he'd be in the firing line himself. It's an absolutely massive call for him and one I certainly wouldn't make if I valued my position at the club. More chance of this guy being another fall guy for him than bringing in an established experienced manager a'la Moyes. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 14:29:55 GMT
Sorry this is just bonkers. Sacking SS is fair enough but hanging hat on this guy is bonkers. We need an experienced head to mould these youngsters together. Recent experience says inexperienced managers at Stoke get chewed up. Neil was the most experienced manager we've had at this level in many years That went well. |
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Post by smiler_andy on Sept 16, 2024 14:31:16 GMT
We’re not an attractive project for any manager/coach anymore with any kind of credentials …the biggest pull for us was our owners which seems to have gone to shit…we’ve hired n fired like Watford🔴⚪️ Simply not true as our previous 2 managers left good jobs and teams above us to join us Yes and they are now both unemployed after not having a full season at the club. Only MON since we were relegated has had a full season. Today the Stoke job whatever the title you want to call it is not very enticing for most managers who are currently employed . |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 14:31:54 GMT
wouldn't have a problem with a left field foreigner if they had some kind of record to hang your hat on a promotion here, some other type of managerial success there this is absolutely an absurd appointment, the lest qualified manager/head coach we have ever had (bar caretakers) we have had since Frank Taylor Neil had all the experience at this level and was an absolute catastrophe. indeed am not saying all experienced managers are good by any means I just see literally nothing to suggest why this guy is getting the job happy to be persuaded otherwise, someone please come up with just 1 thing that says this is guy is good at.... |
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 16, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
So we have sacked Shue with no replacment ready to come in. If we are turned down by the ones we are interested in,we will end up with another loser who is out of work because he is shite. We haven’t hired an out of work manager since Lambert. |
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 16, 2024 14:32:50 GMT
So we have sacked Shue with no replacment ready to come in. If we are turned down by the ones we are interested in,we will end up with another loser who is out of work because he is shite. How have you concluded we have no replacement ready? As soon as it broke he was sacked the NP interest was posted. How much more lined up do you want things? Of course there needs to be some negotiation but as things stand we look very prepared. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2024 14:34:00 GMT
It's just been the international break. If you wanted to sack him, you'd have done that at the start and give the manager 2 weeks. Even better gone in the summer of you didn't fancy him. They've fallen out. I hope that Schumacher stuck to his guns, told him he's manager and roundly told him to fuck off. He come across as a man of his word and I reckon that's why he's gone. He wouldn't play to Walters tune. Why do you dislike Walter’s so much and jump to these conclusions as if anyone knows what has gone on. JW cares about the club and has its best interests at heart, also his reputation on the line. Fans used to complain when we let a manager stay too long now they have made a quick decision they are getting blasted for that. Now I’m not a massive fan of jc but at least they have acted now Why do you jump to the conclusion that he cares about the club? A more cynical view might be that he saw Jon Coates coming a mile away and spied an easy avenue to power and influence (not to mention wonga) that he hadn’t really earned |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 16, 2024 14:34:28 GMT
We need someone who is given time to recruit and develop a team without interference from people who have never actually managed a football team. Sack the football director and recruit a manager.
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Post by kerouac on Sept 16, 2024 14:36:04 GMT
Having thought about this decision a bit today, i'm wondering if that Carabao Cup performance away at Boro has been the worst thing that could've happened for Schumacher. I don't think any of us saw this mornings news coming. The Boro game showed how this team (largely made up of youngsters) COULD play and maybe that got the cogs turning in the upper management. The performances in the league have been poor (Plymouth was your typical 'professional' result and performance) and even Carlisle caused us problems in the first league cup tie. If it hadn't been for Boro, would any of us be giving Schumacher anything more than a 5/10 for our start to the season? I liked the guy and would've given him far longer but it's not been anything special. We finished last season well but last season is, well, last season. The five-star show at the Riverside might just've got John and Jon talking and coming to the conclusion that with this young, attacking talent we own right now, maybe we should be aiming a bit higher than our league start points to? This my friend is spot on and what I’ve been thinking …..that game against ‘boro really got me excited and I thought at the time this is the way forward,play these lads no matter what,we will win some and no doubt lose some but the embryo of an exciting young team is there.This was why I was totally mystified by Saturday shit showing…..have faith in the youth 100% not just half heartedly…..I think like you say,this was seen from above too and if that is the case then I’m all for the change. |
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 16, 2024 14:36:06 GMT
I've said it on here before and I'll say it again, it's doesn't matter who we appoint as manager there are no guarantees.
If Pelach is appointed, he might/ might not be a success nobody on here knows what the outcome will be .
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 14:36:19 GMT
Simply not true as our previous 2 managers left good jobs and teams above us to join us Yes and they are now both unemployed after not having a full season at the club. Only MON since we were relegated has had a full season. Today the Stoke job whatever the title you want to call it is not very enticing for most managers who are currently employed . Not the point though. One left Sunderland for us not so long back. To assume no one would be interested with nothing to back that up when recent vacancies say otherwise |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Sept 16, 2024 14:36:28 GMT
I'd be very surprised if he's offered the job after the owners have seen the reaction on here. If the owners read and digest the tripe on here then they deserve what they get. They employ people to take footballing decisions and would be better placed leaving it that way. |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 16, 2024 14:36:58 GMT
no but coaching first team there is still significantly more impressive than Norwich & he got a league 1 club cant remember if he took over mid season or not this is an absurd appointment I don't agree with the last comment there, Lorders. Time will tell. Is a gamble but a very well respected coach. It could be a disaster of course but would rather a left field foreigner than another Alex Neil. Feel for SS At least Hyaduck will be happy. We’ve got the foreign coach he’s been pining for all these years. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 14:38:01 GMT
I don't agree with the last comment there, Lorders. Time will tell. Is a gamble but a very well respected coach. It could be a disaster of course but would rather a left field foreigner than another Alex Neil. Feel for SS At least Hyaduck will be happy. We’ve got the foreign coach he’s been pining for all these years. Just tell him he's a German 😁 |
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