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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2024 13:46:58 GMT
Why not go all out for a top coach and say it's a project. Klopp, Tuchel, Potter and flash the dong at them. 😂😂😂 Was said tongue in cheek 🙂 |
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Post by stokief on Sept 16, 2024 13:47:00 GMT
Considering he's 'in talks can't see his name on the betting odds sites. Ryan Lowe is favourite on them at 2/1 Please for the love of god...NO Rather have Ryan Reynolds  |
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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2024 13:47:55 GMT
Why not go all out for a top coach and say it's a project. Klopp, Tuchel, Potter and flash the dong at them. I've been going all out for Dua Lipa, Selena Gomez and Beyonce, i flashed my dong at them and now I'm in prison. But Johns dong is massive 😂 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2024 13:48:18 GMT
I was impressed with the interview.
I've never comes across a good manager who isn't impressive to listen to. The best ones give you the impression they could be good at anything they turned their hands to. It isn't a guarantee, but at least he clears that bar.
That's what worries me with Lee Carsley. He and Darren Moore are the least impressive speakers I've seen in football management for a while.
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Post by smiler_andy on Sept 16, 2024 13:49:26 GMT
Why not go all out for a top coach and say it's a project. Klopp, Tuchel, Potter and flash the dong at them. 😂😂😂 Going on previous seasons this time next year we will be looking for another "Change in direction". |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2024 13:50:14 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. head coach for Girona reserves does not warrant getting a Championship job What constitutes being qualified to manage in the Championship though? Experience? Nearly all the managers who have Championship experience are failures and fans would be up in arms if we appointed them. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 16, 2024 13:52:47 GMT
head coach for Girona reserves does not warrant getting a Championship job Do I agree with Schumacher sacking?….do I fuck it’s crazy but you can’t just judge people like that otherwise it would just be the same tired and weary names in the hat I’m sure the lad Mackenna didn’t warrant a job the size of Ipswich using that criteria Let’s just see eh There’s a massive difference between coaching Premier League/top international players at one of the biggest clubs in the world, and a bunch of cattle herders and fruit pickers in the Spanish third division! |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2024 13:53:24 GMT
Please for the love of god...NO Who’s Ryan Lowe?? First Championship manager to lose his job this season when he was sacked by Preston. He joined them from Plymouth leaving his assistant Stephen Schumacher in charge at Plymouth. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2024 13:53:37 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. head coach for Girona reserves does not warrant getting a Championship job It's the only way of getting off the merry go round isn't it. We're hardly likely to attract an established head coach of pedigree. There's plenty of evidence for it going either way but it's hardly groundbreaking it's in the same vein as Coberan, Farke, Wagner. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 13:54:26 GMT
head coach for Girona reserves does not warrant getting a Championship job What constitutes being qualified to manage in the Championship though? Experience? Nearly all the managers who have Championship experience are failures and fans would be up in arms if we appointed them. good question something significantly more impressing than managing Girona reserves am amazed anyone is on board with this appointment easily the least qualified person ever appointed to run our team |
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Post by Wizbit on Sept 16, 2024 13:54:28 GMT
To be fair most people had never really heard of Maresca but that went OK for Leicester and now we have young intelligent footballers instead of people on their last payday maybe we will trend upwards for a change
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 13:54:47 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. He might advance his career as head coach at Crewe or the Vale but not Us What the hell are people thinking at the club! Do you actually think an established head coach is going to consider us? Look at what the bookies are stating www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/stoke-city - apart from Potter (which is laughable) its terrifying and most of those aren't really Head Coaches, they are managers which just exasperates the conflict with DoF. The point I'm making is that Pelach has the right CV for a Head Coach - many of the other other potential candidates don't. And like it or not we either take a risk or accept second best. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 13:55:06 GMT
Do I agree with Schumacher sacking?….do I fuck it’s crazy but you can’t just judge people like that otherwise it would just be the same tired and weary names in the hat I’m sure the lad Mackenna didn’t warrant a job the size of Ipswich using that criteria Let’s just see eh There’s a massive difference between coaching Premier League/top international players at one of the biggest clubs in the world, and a bunch of cattle herders and fruit pickers in the Spanish third division! it was actually their 4th division which equates to very non league |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2024 13:55:49 GMT
4 yrs as assistant in the Champ is a reasonable grounding - more than some have had who were successful.
No.1 is obviously a totally different thing though. Chalk and cheese
But Steve Cooper, McKenna and Corberan took to it like a duck to water, and the bloke Millwall had from the England youth set-up last season drowned.
Walters has obviously decided he's up to it, and if he's wrong, he'll be for the high jump
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Post by crowey on Sept 16, 2024 13:55:56 GMT
…. true. Just hope it works
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Post by RWChris on Sept 16, 2024 13:56:45 GMT
Having thought about this decision a bit today, i'm wondering if that Carabao Cup performance away at Boro has been the worst thing that could've happened for Schumacher. I don't think any of us saw this mornings news coming.
The Boro game showed how this team (largely made up of youngsters) COULD play and maybe that got the cogs turning in the upper management. The performances in the league have been poor (Plymouth was your typical 'professional' result and performance) and even Carlisle caused us problems in the first league cup tie.
If it hadn't been for Boro, would any of us be giving Schumacher anything more than a 5/10 for our start to the season? I liked the guy and would've given him far longer but it's not been anything special. We finished last season well but last season is, well, last season.
The five-star show at the Riverside might just've got John and Jon talking and coming to the conclusion that with this young, attacking talent we own right now, maybe we should be aiming a bit higher than our league start points to?
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 13:57:12 GMT
To be fair most people had never really heard of Maresca but that went OK for Leicester and now we have young intelligent footballers instead of people on their last payday maybe we will trend upwards for a change was coaching at Man City first team & had a decent playing career we are appointing a coach < not the manager, not the head coach, just a coach from Norwich who has not had a decent playing career & has previously managed Girona's reserves & a Spanish 4th tier side |
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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2024 13:57:13 GMT
Probably end up as Wayne Rooney's Stoke City with Schumacher back to Devon
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 13:59:28 GMT
4 yrs as assistant in the Champ is a reasonable grounding - more than some have had who were successful. No.1 is obviously a totally different thing though. Chalk and cheese But Steve Cooper, McKenna and Corberan took to it like a duck to water, and the bloke Millwall had from the England youth set-up last season drowned. Walters has obviously decided he's up to it, and if he's wrong, he'll be for the high jump Steve Cooper managed the England youth side to World Cup victory McKenna had been managing The Shirt's first team for some time & got a League 1 job nota Championship job |
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Post by werrington on Sept 16, 2024 13:59:58 GMT
Do I agree with Schumacher sacking?….do I fuck it’s crazy but you can’t just judge people like that otherwise it would just be the same tired and weary names in the hat I’m sure the lad Mackenna didn’t warrant a job the size of Ipswich using that criteria Let’s just see eh There’s a massive difference between coaching Premier League/top international players at one of the biggest clubs in the world, and a bunch of cattle herders and fruit pickers in the Spanish third division! He was the manager of the u18s |
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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2024 14:01:00 GMT
We really have become a basket case of a club.
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Post by smiler_andy on Sept 16, 2024 14:01:43 GMT
Having thought about this decision a bit today, i'm wondering if that Carabao Cup performance away at Boro has been the worst thing that could've happened for Schumacher. I don't think any of us saw this mornings news coming. The Boro game showed how this team (largely made up of youngsters) COULD play and maybe that got the cogs turning in the upper management. The performances in the league have been poor (Plymouth was your typical 'professional' result and performance) and even Carlisle caused us problems in the first league cup tie. If it hadn't been for Boro, would any of us be giving Schumacher anything more than a 5/10 for our start to the season? I liked the guy and would've given him far longer but it's not been anything special. We finished last season well but last season is, well, last season. The five-star show at the Riverside might just've got John and Jon talking and coming to the conclusion that with this young, attacking talent we own right now, maybe we should be aiming a bit higher than our league start points to? It has a Birmingham and John Eustace feel about it at the moment going from previous experiences. So many false dawns of up and coming managers who when at Stoke fail miserably. The law of averages means the club will get it right one day or year. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 14:02:26 GMT
There’s a massive difference between coaching Premier League/top international players at one of the biggest clubs in the world, and a bunch of cattle herders and fruit pickers in the Spanish third division! it was actually their 4th division which equates to very non league Why are you obsessing with this? To have got even that job at 26 is pretty impressive and he has knuckled down and worked his way up from there. I'd far rather have someone who has pulled themselves up from nowhere than a Rooney, Gerrard or Lampard or float in on the back of an illustrious playing career and nothing else. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 14:02:47 GMT
4 yrs as assistant in the Champ is a reasonable grounding - more than some have had who were successful. No.1 is obviously a totally different thing though. Chalk and cheese But Steve Cooper, McKenna and Corberan took to it like a duck to water, and the bloke Millwall had from the England youth set-up last season drowned. Walters has obviously decided he's up to it, and if he's wrong, he'll be for the high jump Steve Cooper managed the England youth side to World Cup victory McKenna had been managing The Shirt's first team for some time & got a League 1 job nota Championship job Either way, McKenna had never managed a club had he? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2024 14:06:21 GMT
4 yrs as assistant in the Champ is a reasonable grounding - more than some have had who were successful. No.1 is obviously a totally different thing though. Chalk and cheese But Steve Cooper, McKenna and Corberan took to it like a duck to water, and the bloke Millwall had from the England youth set-up last season drowned. Walters has obviously decided he's up to it, and if he's wrong, he'll be for the high jump Steve Cooper managed the England youth side to World Cup victory McKenna had been managing The Shirt's first team for some time & got a League 1 job nota Championship job Cooper had never managed a pro game in his life though, and also had no playing career at all. Liverpool academy and success with a team including Sancho, Foden, Guehi, Gallagher, Hudson-Odoi et al McKenna was just a coach wasn't he? He was a massive, massive punt, in the same way Carrick was. Some people can do it and some can't. Pelach may be one who can. We'll see. 4 yrs as a first-team coach in Champ is a fair enough grounding. Walters must have had him in mind for months and become convinced he can be a No.1. He's literally homed in on him from nowhere. I'd love to know how he's aware of him and the level of due diligence that's convinced him. |
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 16, 2024 14:07:01 GMT
Having thought about this decision a bit today, i'm wondering if that Carabao Cup performance away at Boro has been the worst thing that could've happened for Schumacher. I don't think any of us saw this mornings news coming. The Boro game showed how this team (largely made up of youngsters) COULD play and maybe that got the cogs turning in the upper management. The performances in the league have been poor (Plymouth was your typical 'professional' result and performance) and even Carlisle caused us problems in the first league cup tie. If it hadn't been for Boro, would any of us be giving Schumacher anything more than a 5/10 for our start to the season? I liked the guy and would've given him far longer but it's not been anything special. We finished last season well but last season is, well, last season. The five-star show at the Riverside might just've got John and Jon talking and coming to the conclusion that with this young, attacking talent we own right now, maybe we should be aiming a bit higher than our league start points to? Good point mate🔴⚪️ |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 14:07:20 GMT
Steve Cooper managed the England youth side to World Cup victory McKenna had been managing The Shirt's first team for some time & got a League 1 job nota Championship job Either way, McKenna had never managed a club had he? no but coaching first team there is still significantly more impressive than Norwich & he got a league 1 club cant remember if he took over mid season or not this is an absurd appointment |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 14:09:01 GMT
Steve Cooper managed the England youth side to World Cup victory McKenna had been managing The Shirt's first team for some time & got a League 1 job nota Championship job Cooper had never managed a pro game in his life though, and also had no playing career at all. Liverpool academy and success with a team including Sancho, Foden, Guehi, Gallagher, Hudson-Odoi et al McKenna was just a coach wasn't he? He was a massive, massive punt, in the same way Carrick was. Some people can do it and some can't. Pelach may be one who can. We'll see. 4 yrs as a first-team coach in Champ is a fair enough grounding. Walters must have had him in mind for months and become convinced he can be a No.1. He's literally homed in on him from nowhere. I'd love to know how he's aware of him and the level of due diligence that's convinced him. Cooper won the world cup at youth level > a big gamble? you bet, but this is bigger I'm sorry but 4 eyras as a first team coach is as minimal grounding as it gets, how is anyone impressed by this guys CV? |
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Post by jeycov on Sept 16, 2024 14:09:17 GMT
Probably end up as Wayne Rooney's Stoke City with Schumacher back to Devon I have some sympathy for him Moves his family to take on this project, Young manager- something fans embraced Gave younger players a chance Apparently informed of the decision at Clayton Wood this morning How will this affect the players? A Norwich coach, considering JW link to Ipswich? We move on We support whoever wears the shirt |
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Post by questionable on Sept 16, 2024 14:09:48 GMT
Going on previous seasons this time next year we will be looking for another "Change in direction". We’ve had more changes in direction that the Coates Chopper picking up managers |
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