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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 11:07:18 GMT
He hasn’t got a clue mate🔴⚪️ No mate, I have absolutely no idea what went on 🤦 Why does it not come out then? If it's so bad, why doesn't Schumacher come out and properly mud the owner and sporting director. The fan's deserve the truth to be honest after 7 years of decline, we deserve to know exactly why the club seems impossible to turn around. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 29, 2024 11:09:55 GMT
Thats my worry if we sack him before the xmas period, new manager gets xmas games & the transfer window which would probably result in us staying up end of or after the window it's much more difficult we could sack him now of course in which case plenty of time for new manager to sort things out the whole thing is tortuous I know it’s rough but you really would sack him now? Really? With the injuries he’s had and no time to work with what he’s got? Canon can’t play as a sole striker and the others are so limited? I think if you thought Shoeys sacking harsh that would be ridiculous? Right now it would be harsh but if things havent improved by the end of November he could have no complaints Things have to improve both results and performancewise these next few games We cant be going in to the new year in the bottom 3 |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 29, 2024 11:14:35 GMT
If NP is sacked,I realy do dread to think who Coates would try to bring in next.
So we are fucked if NP stays,& we could be fucked if he is sacked.
We realy are stuck between a rock & a hard place.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 11:23:00 GMT
If NP is sacked,I realy do dread to think who Coates would try to bring in next. So we are fucked if NP stays,& we could be fucked if he is sacked. We realy are stuck between a rock & a hard place. My guess is if Walters goes then we'll make a very public move for David Moyes which will be turned down & then we'd probably end up with Mowbray. If Walters stays, then I think we could see Brian Barry-Murphy or Damien Duff. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2024 11:24:06 GMT
Thats my worry if we sack him before the xmas period, new manager gets xmas games & the transfer window which would probably result in us staying up end of or after the window it's much more difficult we could sack him now of course in which case plenty of time for new manager to sort things out the whole thing is tortuous I know it’s rough but you really would sack him now? Really? With the injuries he’s had and no time to work with what he’s got? Canon can’t play as a sole striker and the others are so limited? I think if you thought Shoeys sacking harsh that would be ridiculous? yes definitely before he does any more damage I didn't mention Shoey I'm only interested in what happens next |
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2024 11:27:21 GMT
If NP is sacked,I realy do dread to think who Coates would try to bring in next. So we are fucked if NP stays,& we could be fucked if he is sacked. We realy are stuck between a rock & a hard place. My guess is if Walters goes then we'll make a very public move for David Moyes which will be turned down & then we'd probably end up with Mowbray. If Walters stays, then I think we could see Brian Barry-Murphy or Damien Duff. Walters has to go as well would expect Pelach to be sacked, JC to select the next manager & Walters to be eased out at a later date it's difficult to see a positive outcome |
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2024 11:27:51 GMT
If NP is sacked,I realy do dread to think who Coates would try to bring in next. So we are fucked if NP stays,& we could be fucked if he is sacked. We realy are stuck between a rock & a hard place. My guess is if Walters goes then we'll make a very public move for David Moyes which will be turned down & then we'd probably end up with Mowbray. If Walters stays, then I think we could see Brian Barry-Murphy or Damien Duff. I don't think Mowbray won't manage again on health grounds |
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 29, 2024 11:32:52 GMT
I don't know if Walters interferes in team selection. As sporting director he is bound to have some chats about players and how they are used but to what degree who knows. I do understand however that he was very unhappy that Schumacher played Gooch out of position as a No.10 at Oxford and apparently made his feelings known. Sometimes managers need to make a point Ended well for him didn't it |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 11:38:34 GMT
My guess is if Walters goes then we'll make a very public move for David Moyes which will be turned down & then we'd probably end up with Mowbray. If Walters stays, then I think we could see Brian Barry-Murphy or Damien Duff. I don't think Mowbray won't manage again on health grounds I did a bit of a google and it seems like he's been quoted as saying as he wants to get back in. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2024 11:41:32 GMT
I don't think Mowbray won't manage again on health grounds I did a bit of a google and it seems like he's been quoted as saying as he wants to get back in. good luck to him then |
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 29, 2024 11:42:54 GMT
I don't know if Walters interferes in team selection. As sporting director he is bound to have some chats about players and how they are used but to what degree who knows. I do understand however that he was very unhappy that Schumacher played Gooch out of position as a No.10 at Oxford and apparently made his feelings known. Sometimes managers need to make a point If he played Gooch there ‘to make a point’ he absolutely deserved the sacking on that alone. I don’t think he was doing it to make a point I think he genuinely thought it would work and that’s very worrying for him as a manager and coach. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 29, 2024 11:46:54 GMT
Sometimes managers need to make a point If he played Gooch there ‘to make a point’ he absolutely deserved the sacking on that alone. I don’t think he was doing it to make a point I think he genuinely thought it would work and that’s very worrying for him as a manager and coach. Good job it's gone so swimmingly since he was sacked |
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 29, 2024 11:50:10 GMT
If he played Gooch there ‘to make a point’ he absolutely deserved the sacking on that alone. I don’t think he was doing it to make a point I think he genuinely thought it would work and that’s very worrying for him as a manager and coach. Good job it's gone so swimmingly since he was sacked If a manager sacrifices a game for his team to make an arrogant and self centred point then he deserves sacking simple as that. Whether it’s gone well afterwards or not is irrelevant. It also hasn’t been worse. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 29, 2024 11:54:22 GMT
I did a bit of a google and it seems like he's been quoted as saying as he wants to get back in. good luck to him then Looks like he said he was nearly ready at the start of September. www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/ex-sunderland-boss-tony-mowbray-delivers-health-update-and-makes-management-return-claim-4767352Former Sunderland boss Tony Mowbray has provided an update on his health, and has suggested that he would like to return to football management sooner rather than later. Just looking at the names linked with Champ jobs recently , no idea what type we'd go for if we were forced into something www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/cardiff/next-permanent-managerOmer Riza 1/3 1/4 Tony Mowbray 6 8 Ruben Selles 8 10 Slaven Bilic 10 14 Ryan Lowe 16 25 Mark Hughes 28 33 Brian Barry-Murphy 33 33 Rob Page 33 33 Sam Allardyce 33 33 Neil Warnock 25 33 Michael Beale 22 33 Alex Neil 33 33 Nathan Jones 25 33 James Rowberry 33 33 Steven Schumacher 20 33 Freyr Alexandersson 25 33 Aaron Ramsey 40 33 Frank Lampard 40 66 Gary Rowett 50 66 Andrew Crofts 66 66 Nigel Pearson 66 33 Scott Lindsey 66 Robbie Keane 40 66 John OShea 33 66 Roy Hodgson 66 Darren Purse 66 33 Roy Keane 33 66 Jim Goodwin 80 Chris Hughton 80 66 Cameron Toshack 80 66 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 80 66 Damien Duff 100 66 Gareth Ainsworth 100 66 Ryan Mason 100 Nigel Clough 100 66 Dean Holden 100 66 David Healy 100 66 Leam Richardson 100 66 Leighton Baines 100 66 Michael Appleton 100 66 Richie Wellens 100 66 Stephen Bradley 100 66 |
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Post by questionable on Oct 29, 2024 11:55:11 GMT
If NP is sacked,I realy do dread to think who Coates would try to bring in next. So we are fucked if NP stays,& we could be fucked if he is sacked. We realy are stuck between a rock & a hard place. Anyone and I mean anyone who had the audacity to employ Lambert needs sectioning. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 11:59:21 GMT
Good job it's gone so swimmingly since he was sacked If a manager sacrifices a game for his team to make an arrogant and self centred point then he deserves sacking simple as that. Whether it’s gone well afterwards or not is irrelevant. It also hasn’t been worse. Pulis used to do it all the time, especially under the Icelandics. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 29, 2024 12:01:36 GMT
The conversation turning to a debate about whether we should sack Narcis is frankly bonkers, for reasons others have mentioned. The squad we have and the injuries we're struggling with are hampering any real progress. I'd question a few team selections and set ups but I like the bloke and want him to succeed, if only to have some stability. Not giving him until January is ludicrous though and would really show up Walters, so I can't see a scenario where he's not here in January, unless the wheels well and truly come off.
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2024 12:02:10 GMT
Looks like he said he was nearly ready at the start of September. www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/ex-sunderland-boss-tony-mowbray-delivers-health-update-and-makes-management-return-claim-4767352Former Sunderland boss Tony Mowbray has provided an update on his health, and has suggested that he would like to return to football management sooner rather than later. Just looking at the names linked with Champ jobs recently , no idea what type we'd go for if we were forced into something www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/cardiff/next-permanent-managerOmer Riza 1/3 1/4 Tony Mowbray 6 8 Ruben Selles 8 10 Slaven Bilic 10 14 Ryan Lowe 16 25 Mark Hughes 28 33 Brian Barry-Murphy 33 33 Rob Page 33 33 Sam Allardyce 33 33 Neil Warnock 25 33 Michael Beale 22 33 Alex Neil 33 33 Nathan Jones 25 33 James Rowberry 33 33 Steven Schumacher 20 33 Freyr Alexandersson 25 33 Aaron Ramsey 40 33 Frank Lampard 40 66 Gary Rowett 50 66 Andrew Crofts 66 66 Nigel Pearson 66 33 Scott Lindsey 66 Robbie Keane 40 66 John OShea 33 66 Roy Hodgson 66 Darren Purse 66 33 Roy Keane 33 66 Jim Goodwin 80 Chris Hughton 80 66 Cameron Toshack 80 66 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 80 66 Damien Duff 100 66 Gareth Ainsworth 100 66 Ryan Mason 100 Nigel Clough 100 66 Dean Holden 100 66 David Healy 100 66 Leam Richardson 100 66 Leighton Baines 100 66 Michael Appleton 100 66 Richie Wellens 100 66 Stephen Bradley 100 66 some shocking names there I'd take any one of them instead of Pelach |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 29, 2024 12:04:40 GMT
And what would they do with the squad we have at the moment? This is stupid and poorly-timed conjecture.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 12:05:16 GMT
The conversation turning to a debate about whether we should sack Narcis is frankly bonkers, for reasons others have mentioned. The squad we have and the injuries we're struggling with are hampering any real progress. I'd question a few team selections and set ups but I like the bloke and want him to succeed, if only to have some stability. Not giving him until January is ludicrous though and would really show up Walters, so I can't see a scenario where he's not here in January, unless the wheels well and truly come off. I'd argue a loss against Derby on Saturday is the wheels coming well and truly off. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 29, 2024 12:10:57 GMT
The conversation turning to a debate about whether we should sack Narcis is frankly bonkers, for reasons others have mentioned. The squad we have and the injuries we're struggling with are hampering any real progress. I'd question a few team selections and set ups but I like the bloke and want him to succeed, if only to have some stability. Not giving him until January is ludicrous though and would really show up Walters, so I can't see a scenario where he's not here in January, unless the wheels well and truly come off. We had stability with this squad and these injuries. It wasn't brilliant but the vast majority of fans were behind it and patient, a midtable finish was likely. That was deemed not good enough and a change was made which to date has been a disaster. And all this is going to rumble on due to the timing of the change and the CV of Pelach. It was ridiculous at the time and his start has made it even more so. |
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 29, 2024 12:18:24 GMT
Looks like he said he was nearly ready at the start of September. www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/ex-sunderland-boss-tony-mowbray-delivers-health-update-and-makes-management-return-claim-4767352Former Sunderland boss Tony Mowbray has provided an update on his health, and has suggested that he would like to return to football management sooner rather than later. Just looking at the names linked with Champ jobs recently , no idea what type we'd go for if we were forced into something www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/cardiff/next-permanent-managerOmer Riza 1/3 1/4 Tony Mowbray 6 8 Ruben Selles 8 10 Slaven Bilic 10 14 Ryan Lowe 16 25 Mark Hughes 28 33 Brian Barry-Murphy 33 33 Rob Page 33 33 Sam Allardyce 33 33 Neil Warnock 25 33 Michael Beale 22 33 Alex Neil 33 33 Nathan Jones 25 33 James Rowberry 33 33 Steven Schumacher 20 33 Freyr Alexandersson 25 33 Aaron Ramsey 40 33 Frank Lampard 40 66 Gary Rowett 50 66 Andrew Crofts 66 66 Nigel Pearson 66 33 Scott Lindsey 66 Robbie Keane 40 66 John OShea 33 66 Roy Hodgson 66 Darren Purse 66 33 Roy Keane 33 66 Jim Goodwin 80 Chris Hughton 80 66 Cameron Toshack 80 66 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 80 66 Damien Duff 100 66 Gareth Ainsworth 100 66 Ryan Mason 100 Nigel Clough 100 66 Dean Holden 100 66 David Healy 100 66 Leam Richardson 100 66 Leighton Baines 100 66 Michael Appleton 100 66 Richie Wellens 100 66 Stephen Bradley 100 66 some shocking names there I'd take any one of them instead of Pelach Really ? |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 29, 2024 12:21:29 GMT
A midtable finish was likely? I'm not sure how you can draw that conclusion. Also, no-one really knows about other issues behind the scenes which contributed to Schumacher's sacking. A win against Bristol City last week and the defeat to Sheffield United would be put down to one of those things. Don't get me wrong, the draw last week was a fortunate point in an absolutely abysmal performance but I'm not giving up on Pelach yet.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 29, 2024 12:50:07 GMT
A midtable finish was likely? I'm not sure how you can draw that conclusion. Also, no-one really knows about other issues behind the scenes which contributed to Schumacher's sacking. A win against Bristol City last week and the defeat to Sheffield United would be put down to one of those things. Don't get me wrong, the draw last week was a fortunate point in an absolutely abysmal performance but I'm not giving up on Pelach yet. The way I'm looking at results now is short term pain long term gain. Pelach seems fully focused on what he is trying to achieve and isn't changing his way for nobody. He's being himself, trying to get the team to play the way he sees us playing. It will take time to get there but we need to be patient with him and see where he gets us. I'm still expecting us to go into another gear or two at some point this season and we will just kick on and all will be forgotten. He needs time to do what he needs to do, it's uncomfortable watching but we have to believe it's for the greater good. Life would be easier for him if our midfield wasn't injured and having to rely on Thompson playing regular. He's about 5th choice and playing way too often because of injuries |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 29, 2024 12:54:29 GMT
I'd take getting to January more or less where we are (it's not like we haven't been there before) and then using January to tie up a couple of deals and hope Lawal and Gallagher are part of the squad.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 29, 2024 12:55:35 GMT
A midtable finish was likely? I'm not sure how you can draw that conclusion. Also, no-one really knows about other issues behind the scenes which contributed to Schumacher's sacking. A win against Bristol City last week and the defeat to Sheffield United would be put down to one of those things. Don't get me wrong, the draw last week was a fortunate point in an absolutely abysmal performance but I'm not giving up on Pelach yet. The way I'm looking at results now is short term pain long term gain. Pelach seems fully focused on what he is trying to achieve and isn't changing his way for nobody. He's being himself, trying to get the team to play the way he sees us playing. It will take time to get there but we need to be patient with him and see where he gets us. I'm still expecting us to go into another gear or two at some point this season and we will just kick on and all will be forgotten. He needs time to do what he needs to do, it's uncomfortable watching but we have to believe it's for the greater good. Life would be easier for him if our midfield wasn't injured and having to rely on Thompson playing regular. He's about 5th choice and playing way too often because of injuries But what is the way he wants us to play? It’s certainly not clear. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 29, 2024 12:59:53 GMT
The way I'm looking at results now is short term pain long term gain. Pelach seems fully focused on what he is trying to achieve and isn't changing his way for nobody. He's being himself, trying to get the team to play the way he sees us playing. It will take time to get there but we need to be patient with him and see where he gets us. I'm still expecting us to go into another gear or two at some point this season and we will just kick on and all will be forgotten. He needs time to do what he needs to do, it's uncomfortable watching but we have to believe it's for the greater good. Life would be easier for him if our midfield wasn't injured and having to rely on Thompson playing regular. He's about 5th choice and playing way too often because of injuries But what is the way he wants us to play? It’s certainly not clear. A pressing possession football team with more control and more bite. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 29, 2024 13:01:07 GMT
If people are waiting for Walters to fire Pelach they are going to be waiting a very long time.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 13:03:08 GMT
I'd take getting to January more or less where we are (it's not like we haven't been there before) and then using January to tie up a couple of deals and hope Lawal and Gallagher are part of the squad. The only issue with this is if we're struggling come Jan, the likes of Koumas, Moran and Cannon may well be recalled and loaned out to other clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2024 13:04:00 GMT
If people are waiting for Walters to fire Pelach they are going to be waiting a very long time. Don’t be so sure |
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