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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2024 13:21:03 GMT
Walters has basically got his cock out and slapped it on the table with this one. The timing is absolutely stupid, much like it was with O’Neill. 5 games into the season, what the hell? If he wanted him out he had to act at the end of last season, and should have had the balls to do it then, regardless of the consequences or reaction. It also suggests that very little of our summer business had much to do with SS, probably all Walters doing. I don’t mind this model to be fair, let the sporting director run the club, no issues at all. The problem we have is that Walters has achieved the sim total of fuck all as either a manager or a sporting director. It’s a lot of power and influence to give to someone with no track record and less experience than the man we just fired. Yeah you do wonder how much of this decision has been led by the ego of Walters, in as much as he feels in order to have ultimate authority, he needs to be the one responsible for appointing the current club manager/coach? Somebody (apologies for forgetting who) made the very pertinent point a few pages back, that we are a rookie club from top to bottom ... The chairman, the sporting director and the (new) manager have very little experience in their individual roles. And none of them have any pedigree whatsoever. Should this combination be a huge red flag for a club of our stature? Appointing ANY manager/team coach, always comes with a risk. Hell we could bring in Guardiola and there still wouldn't be an absolute guarantee of success. However what Walters has done with this appointment is take that risk to it's absolute extreme. He is GAMBLING with the club and that worries me to be fair. Of course we all hope that this massive gamble pays off but it does smack of a decision made by somebody with extremely limited experience and of somebody who possibly isn't currently up to the job, regardless of how the gamble actually goes. |
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Post by Ron on Sept 16, 2024 13:21:17 GMT
Considering he's 'in talks can't see his name on the betting odds sites. Ryan Lowe is favourite on them at 2/1 Please for the love of god...NO |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 16, 2024 13:25:13 GMT
Despite all the positivity around the last forum with Coates Shumacher and Walters I felt they were not as chummy as they were trying to make out. Schumacher's body language said he wasn't enjoying it. I know I'm saying that after the horse has bolted but he sat with his arms folded, a sure sign of someone on the defensive, and whenever Walters was talking he just stared at him, sometimes with a face like thunder. I had expected to see a lot of joviality and back slapping but felt a bit disappointed and uneasy and thought that the chuminess was forced I've just been listening to that thing on X that Rod Adcock hosted. Apparently it's well known in the footballing circle that pretty soon after Walters took over he was sounding managers/coaches out for the job. Schuey must of only been in the job for what 3 month. Don't really have an issue with that as was always a chance it wouldn't work out and we should have our finger on the pulse in case which we didn't when Hughes left. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 16, 2024 13:26:04 GMT
Walters has basically got his cock out and slapped it on the table with this one. The timing is absolutely stupid, much like it was with O’Neill. 5 games into the season, what the hell? If he wanted him out he had to act at the end of last season, and should have had the balls to do it then, regardless of the consequences or reaction. It also suggests that very little of our summer business had much to do with SS, probably all Walters doing. I don’t mind this model to be fair, let the sporting director run the club, no issues at all. The problem we have is that Walters has achieved the sim total of fuck all as either a manager or a sporting director. It’s a lot of power and influence to give to someone with no track record and less experience than the man we just fired. Yeah you do wonder how much of this decision has been led by the ego of Walters, in as much as he feels in order to have ultimate authority, he needs to be the one responsible for appointing the current club manager/coach? Somebody (apologies for forgetting who) made the very pertinent point a few pages back, that we are a rookie club from top to bottom ... The chairman, the sporting director and the (new) manager have very little experience in their individual roles. And none of them have any pedigree whatsoever. Should this combination be a huge red flag for a club of our stature? Appointing ANY manager/team coach, always comes with a risk. Hell we could bring in Guardiola and there still wouldn't be an absolute guarantee of success. However what Walters has done with this appointment is take that risk to it's absolute extreme. He is GAMBLING with the club and that worries me to be fair. Of course we all hope that this massive gamble pays off but it does smack of a decision made by somebody with extremely limited experience and of somebody who possibly isn't currently up to the job, regardless of how the gamble actually goes. He and Schumacher were basically auditioning for their respective roles during the back end of last season. They both apparently passed, but now Walters appears to have the absolute final say despite having been here for less time than the manager was. It doesn't exactly feel safe foundationally does it? Almost like Walters wanted to prove himself in order to bin Schumacher off. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2024 13:26:41 GMT
Why is our local radio station so amateurish. There's loads of inaccuracies in that and just sounds like hospital radio broadcasting. It's just cringe worthy, other BBC local radio stations aren't run this way. |
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Post by Biblical on Sept 16, 2024 13:29:16 GMT
Walters has basically got his cock out and slapped it on the table with this one. The timing is absolutely stupid, much like it was with O’Neill. 5 games into the season, what the hell? If he wanted him out he had to act at the end of last season, and should have had the balls to do it then, regardless of the consequences or reaction. It also suggests that very little of our summer business had much to do with SS, probably all Walters doing. I don’t mind this model to be fair, let the sporting director run the club, no issues at all. The problem we have is that Walters has achieved the sim total of fuck all as either a manager or a sporting director. It’s a lot of power and influence to give to someone with no track record and less experience than the man we just fired. Yeah you do wonder how much of this decision has been led by the ego of Walters, in as much as he feels in order to have ultimate authority, he needs to be the one responsible for appointing the current club manager/coach? Somebody (apologies for forgetting who) made the very pertinent point a few pages back, that we are a rookie club from top to bottom ... The chairman, the sporting director and the (new) manager have very little experience in their individual roles. And none of them have any pedigree whatsoever. Should this combination be a huge red flag for a club of our stature? Appointing ANY manager/team coach, always comes with a risk. Hell we could bring in Guardiola and there still wouldn't be an absolute guarantee of success. However what Walters has done with this appointment is take that risk to it's absolute extreme. He is GAMBLING with the club and that worries me to be fair. Of course we all hope that this massive gamble pays off but it does smack of a decision made by somebody with extremely limited experience and of somebody who possibly isn't currently up to the job, regardless of how the gamble actually goes. Something else to consider is that the role Schumacher ended up having was probably very different to what he'd thought he'd have when he initially joined the club and Ricky '3 pillars' Martin was still at the club. You can tell that Walters has been sticking his oar right in such a manner that Mr 3 Pillars definitely wouldn't have and that may have caused resentment. |
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Post by questionable on Sept 16, 2024 13:29:29 GMT
Considering he's 'in talks can't see his name on the betting odds sites. Ryan Lowe is favourite on them at 2/1 Please for the love of god...NO Who’s Ryan Lowe?? |
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 16, 2024 13:30:05 GMT
think we made a mistake when we did not go for John Eustace
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2024 13:30:14 GMT
Please for the love of god...NO Who’s Ryan Lowe?? Schumacher's best mate. |
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 16, 2024 13:30:34 GMT
Some of the takes on Walters are wild.
It's probably quite simple, he demands as much as we do and feels we weren't getting it from SS.
That is his decision, as Sporting Director, to make and the success of the next manager will show whether that decision was correct.
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Post by frasier37 on Sept 16, 2024 13:32:53 GMT
Like a lot have already probably said, i hope there's some thought gone into this one because it's really getting silly now
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Post by senojbor on Sept 16, 2024 13:33:49 GMT
God in heaven. Just read his career on Wiki. Non entity as a player and manager
Surely this is a wind up?
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 13:34:06 GMT
Why is our local radio station so amateurish. There's loads of inaccuracies in that and just sounds like hospital radio broadcasting. It's just cringe worthy, other BBC local radio stations aren't run this way. 'Other BBC local radio stations aren't run this way.' Absolutely most of them are very amateurish for the same reason, they pay peanuts |
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Post by nigerianstokie on Sept 16, 2024 13:34:37 GMT
I’m sold. All aboard the mighty Narcissistic Pelican train.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 13:36:23 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered:
1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure
2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people
3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness
4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself
5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve
If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 13:37:26 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. head coach for Girona reserves does not warrant getting a Championship job |
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Post by mr on Sept 16, 2024 13:37:26 GMT
Considering he's 'in talks can't see his name on the betting odds sites. Ryan Lowe is favourite on them at 2/1 Easy money for the bookies not including the person that will get the job. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 16, 2024 13:38:32 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. 6. Will be cheap to get rid of when we roll the dice again, no doubt 2 days after the January window closes |
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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2024 13:39:14 GMT
If it's Ryan Lowe that's me done with this football team.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2024 13:40:12 GMT
Why is our local radio station so amateurish. There's loads of inaccuracies in that and just sounds like hospital radio broadcasting. It's just cringe worthy, other BBC local radio stations aren't run this way. 'Other BBC local radio stations aren't run this way.' Absolutely most of them are very amateurish for the same reason, they pay peanuts I don't agree, yes they pay peanuts but other local BBC stations have some professionalism and accountability, this station doesn't for whatever reason. I've heard better community stations where they don't pay at all and done voluntary because they have a passion for radio. |
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Post by tuum on Sept 16, 2024 13:40:12 GMT
Despite all the positivity around the last forum with Coates Shumacher and Walters I felt they were not as chummy as they were trying to make out. Schumacher's body language said he wasn't enjoying it. I know I'm saying that after the horse has bolted but he sat with his arms folded, a sure sign of someone on the defensive, and whenever Walters was talking he just stared at him, sometimes with a face like thunder. I had expected to see a lot of joviality and back slapping but felt a bit disappointed and uneasy and thought that the chuminess was forced I've just been listening to that thing on X that Rod Adcock hosted. Apparently it's well known in the footballing circle that pretty soon after Walters took over he was sounding managers/coaches out for the job. Schuey must of only been in the job for what 3 month. That's a difficult one. You would expect the DoF with or without the help of the HoR to be aware of who is available or may be interested in the HC position at any time during the current HC's tenure. I suppose you could call it succession planning...just in case it is required. It's not a nice feeling for the incumbent HC but you shouldn't be sacking your HC without at least some idea of who you want and whether any of them are interested. |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 16, 2024 13:40:24 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. He might advance his career as head coach at Crewe or the Vale but not Us What the hell are people thinking at the club! |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 13:40:44 GMT
Yeah you do wonder how much of this decision has been led by the ego of Walters, in as much as he feels in order to have ultimate authority, he needs to be the one responsible for appointing the current club manager/coach? Somebody (apologies for forgetting who) made the very pertinent point a few pages back, that we are a rookie club from top to bottom ... The chairman, the sporting director and the (new) manager have very little experience in their individual roles. And none of them have any pedigree whatsoever. Should this combination be a huge red flag for a club of our stature? Appointing ANY manager/team coach, always comes with a risk. Hell we could bring in Guardiola and there still wouldn't be an absolute guarantee of success. However what Walters has done with this appointment is take that risk to it's absolute extreme. He is GAMBLING with the club and that worries me to be fair. Of course we all hope that this massive gamble pays off but it does smack of a decision made by somebody with extremely limited experience and of somebody who possibly isn't currently up to the job, regardless of how the gamble actually goes. Something else to consider is that the role Schumacher ended up having was probably very different to what he'd thought he'd have when he initially joined the club and Ricky '3 pillars' Martin was still at the club. You can tell that Walters has been sticking his oar right in such a manner that Mr 3 Pillars definitely wouldn't have and that may have caused resentment. Yes I agree but that is the fault of John Coates for appointing the Head Coach before appointing the DoF - it was bound to create problems. The club should have sacked Martin when they sacked Neil, appointed the DoF and then appointed the Head Coach based on the job spec defined by the DoF. |
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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2024 13:41:01 GMT
Why not go all out for a top coach and say it's a project. Klopp, Tuchel, Potter and flash the dong at them.
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Post by hamsta2 on Sept 16, 2024 13:42:25 GMT
Michael Beal. Just no.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 16, 2024 13:43:07 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. He's clearly an intelligent bloke and like you've said, he ticks all the right boxes. It's hard for me to get excited though because I've fallen for "false idols" too many times in the last few years 😂 |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 16, 2024 13:43:30 GMT
Why not go all out for a top coach and say it's a project. Klopp, Tuchel, Potter and flash the dong at them. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by werrington on Sept 16, 2024 13:44:49 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. head coach for Girona reserves does not warrant getting a Championship job Do I agree with Schumacher sacking?….do I fuck it’s crazy but you can’t just judge people like that otherwise it would just be the same tired and weary names in the hat I’m sure the lad Mackenna didn’t warrant a job the size of Ipswich using that criteria Let’s just see eh |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 13:45:23 GMT
Listening to that interview you can see why he's being considered: 1 He sees himself as a coach, not a manager so no conflict with the club structure 2 Decided to become a coach in his early 20s and has constantly put himself into situations where he can learn and improve and has worked with some good people 3 Became head coach at 26 and stepped back to learn more about the game - that takes a great deal of self awareness 4 Wants to become a Head Coach when he feels he is ready and the right opportunity presents itself 5 Believes coaches have to move on after 2 or 3 years because they have a shelf life and need to move on to improve If you are looking for someone to be Head Coach rather than Manager he ticks all the right boxes. May well be high risk in other ways but in terms of how we seem to want the Head Coach to operate his CV is spot on. 6. Will be cheap to get rid of when we roll the dice again, no doubt 2 days after the January window closes In a sense that is right. A head coach is meant to be be more replaceable than a manager and people in that role know it goes with the territory. |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 16, 2024 13:46:38 GMT
Why not go all out for a top coach and say it's a project. Klopp, Tuchel, Potter and flash the dong at them. I've been going all out for Dua Lipa, Selena Gomez and Beyonce, i flashed my dong at them and now I'm in prison. |
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