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Post by stokecakesandcheese on Sept 16, 2024 12:43:28 GMT
If this guy wants to come in and play like Pep, he’s in for a shock. Imagine Wilmot trying to play out from the back? Maybe he could be a coach that could coach that into our players, who knows 🤷♂️ Still wouldn’t like see Wilmot playing out from the back, even if it was pep teaching him himself. 😂 |
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Post by etebojan on Sept 16, 2024 12:44:17 GMT
He needs to know how he will stand on signings as it sounds the HC has little ultimate control? I think the signings over the summer had little to do with Schuey unless any of his suggestions overlapped or aligned with the vision/plan that SJW would have put in place. Same with the new head coach, his appointment and any suggested signings that he brings to the table will also have to align to the overarching club vision for the team that is being built |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2024 12:45:38 GMT
He needs to know how he will stand on signings as it sounds the HC has little ultimate control? Doesn't have ultimate control and hasn't for a considerable time. The HC/manager has an input and is part of the technical board that decides which players to pursue and the parameters of what we can offer them. I don't know whether this will work but it has the best chance if they're all on the same page HC, SD, HoR, owner. |
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Post by philb on Sept 16, 2024 12:46:13 GMT
Another bloke who’ll get 2 matches before this lot on here start turning Any manager who walks through the door gets our backing, much longer than they should sometimes, at this club. It's a trait I like and one I think you can be proud of. Its peoples livelihoods and jobs you are messing with. Schumacher should still be manager today and at least until January. If we are in the bottom 10 then and someone was available fair enough. Our Sporting Director has had an argument and sacked the manager like a petulant child. Pure speculation and sensationalism. No ones knows what’s gone on behind the scenes. |
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Post by jordan2009 on Sept 16, 2024 12:46:34 GMT
Coates needs to be asked what went wrong with Shoey when he only appointed him 9 months ago. Is your judgement useless and have you made this appointment or Walters? I think we know the answer? From the last fans forum I very much got the impression that Walters is running the club. Or at least the football side of it. I've got no doubt this is Walters call, with the backing of Coates. He's paid the big bucks too make the hard calls. One thing is for definite, Walters will do what's right for this club. Or at least what he thinks is right. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 12:48:10 GMT
He needs to know how he will stand on signings as it sounds the HC has little ultimate control? Doesn't have ultimate control and hasn't for a considerable time. The HC/manager has an input and is part of the technical board that decides which players to pursue and the parameters of what we can offer them. I don't know whether this will work but it has the best chance if they're all on the same page HC, SD, HoR, owner. Given Pelach zero management experience in this country its safe to assume he will have no say at all at least for the first window should he last as long as January spin on that is if he's sacked before xmas any new manager's job will be to keep us up so that manager should be demanding far more say over transfers that window |
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Sept 16, 2024 12:48:33 GMT
The thing I’m wondering about is how do we know about this guy?
Gibson having said ‘There’s this coach at Norwich you’ve got to take a look at’?
Someone pouring over any interview with backroom staff at other Championship clubs?
Walters did a coaching badge with him?
Bielsa style spying on everyone else’s training sessions?
I’m just genuinely curious, as I can imagine how it happens with Pep assistants. But not sure how something like this comes to pass haha! It’s not like players, or even managers, where you can watch them in action easily enough and get a short list together.
It’s not like he’s officially applied and they’ve been won over by his CV or interview performance given the speed of this.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 16, 2024 12:51:09 GMT
My opinion is this.
I said get rid of SS after Oxford match. I only caught the last 10 minutes like I did the boro game we won 5.
I saw bad things in both. First we were by all accounts useless against Oxford but what I saw in both games mentioned above is our lack of passing quality.
5 up at boro when I got in and all I saw instead of controlling the last 10 comfortably was the ball like a hot potatoe. Surely that can’t be right.
Also when I’ve seen him in the meet the fans nights he seems very shy and doesn’t look at people when talking, maybe just his character but Stoke and in particular Walters has seen something behind the scenes that they/he don’t think will improve things like we need SS seems a good guy but sometimes you’ve just got to do what you think and see as right
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Post by etebojan on Sept 16, 2024 12:51:11 GMT
And we know there has been an argument that that directly resulted in the sacking as fact do we? ...or do we believe the other rumour that the wheels have been in motion since last week to replace SS? It's just been the international break. If you wanted to sack him, you'd have done that at the start and give the manager 2 weeks. Even better gone in the summer of you didn't fancy him. They've fallen out. I hope that Schumacher stuck to his guns, told him he's manager and roundly told him to fuck off. He come across as a man of his word and I reckon that's why he's gone. He wouldn't play to Walters tune. So going into the international break after a win, then sack the coach? SS was not the manager he was the head coach in this system there is a big difference it is his job to play to SJWs 'tune', he no doubt was on very thin ice after the Watford and West Brom performances and then failed to hit his point targets and also the manner of the Oxford defeat gave SJW solid reason to sack him now relatively early in the season to make a decent change |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2024 12:54:33 GMT
Another bloke who’ll get 2 matches before this lot on here start turning I have hardly criticised Schumacher on here, I certainly wouldn't have been calling for his sacking, and in fact I think I have only posted one negative in his time here until this morning (ironically), but quite frankly now it's done, I'm happy with this decision. I honestly dont think he is up to it. He's hauntingly similar to Neil. He seems to think about the opposition too much instead of focusing on our own potential game, that's maybe because in some ways it is easier to approach games like that. It takes a more creative and bold approach to set out a way of playing that is going to make others worry. In that sense his approach is negative, but comes over as well researched and detailed in approach. I was really hoping he would learn on the job, but now he's gone I'm happy for us to give someone else a go. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 12:55:33 GMT
This feels like when we appointed Chic Bates
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2024 12:56:21 GMT
Another bloke who’ll get 2 matches before this lot on here start turning 'this lot on here' What's the weather like all the way up there on your ivory tower ? |
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Post by march4 on Sept 16, 2024 12:57:51 GMT
Sentinel seem to have a lot of information on him already!
Apparently he’s called Chicho by everyone.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 12:58:31 GMT
Sentinel seem to have a lot of information on him already! Apparently he’s called Chicho by everyone. Chicho Bates... |
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Post by idle on Sept 16, 2024 12:59:37 GMT
Coates needs to be asked what went wrong with Shoey when he only appointed him 9 months ago. Is your judgement useless and have you made this appointment or Walters? I think we know the answer? From the last fans forum I very much got the impression that Walters is running the club. Or at least the football side of it. I've got no doubt this is Walters call, with the backing of Coates. He's paid the big bucks too make the hard calls. One thing is for definite, Walters will do what's right for this club. Or at least what he thinks is right. Are your sure about that? How can you be? It looks to me like he just wants more power. |
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Post by scfcadams on Sept 16, 2024 13:00:06 GMT
Sentinel seem to have a lot of information on him already! Apparently he’s called Chicho by everyone. Not hard to look at Wikipedia |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 13:00:19 GMT
If this guy wants to come in and play like Pep, he’s in for a shock. Imagine Wilmot trying to play out from the back? If he can spot a good player,Wilmot won't be playing. |
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Post by s7oke on Sept 16, 2024 13:00:47 GMT
The thing I’m wondering about is how do we know about this guy? Gibson having said ‘There’s this coach at Norwich you’ve got to take a look at’? Someone pouring over any interview with backroom staff at other Championship clubs? Walters did a coaching badge with him? Bielsa style spying on everyone else’s training sessions? I’m just genuinely curious, as I can imagine how it happens with Pep assistants. But not sure how something like this comes to pass haha! It’s not like players, or even managers, where you can watch them in action easily enough and get a short list together. It’s not like he’s officially applied and they’ve been won over by his CV or interview performance given the speed of this. Maybe it was someone in the pub saying Like the recommendation of the mad Welsh man |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 16, 2024 13:02:02 GMT
Walters has basically got his cock out and slapped it on the table with this one. The timing is absolutely stupid, much like it was with O’Neill. 5 games into the season, what the hell? If he wanted him out he had to act at the end of last season, and should have had the balls to do it then, regardless of the consequences or reaction. It also suggests that very little of our summer business had much to do with SS, probably all Walters doing.
I don’t mind this model to be fair, let the sporting director run the club, no issues at all. The problem we have is that Walters has achieved the sim total of fuck all as either a manager or a sporting director. It’s a lot of power and influence to give to someone with no track record and less experience than the man we just fired.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2024 13:05:13 GMT
Walters has basically got his cock out and slapped it on the table with this one. The timing is absolutely stupid, much like it was with O’Neill. 5 games into the season, what the hell? If he wanted him out he had to act at the end of last season, and should have had the balls to do it then, regardless of the consequences or reaction. It also suggests that very little of our summer business had much to do with SS, probably all Walters doing. I don’t mind this model to be fair, let the sporting director run the club, no issues at all. The problem we have is that Walters has achieved the sim total of fuck all as either a manager or a sporting director. It’s a lot of power and influence to give to someone with no track record and less experience than the man we just fired. agree with the first paragraph think this scenario we are experiencing is exactly why DoF model fails at most clubs mots of thetime |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 16, 2024 13:06:01 GMT
Considering he's 'in talks can't see his name on the betting odds sites.
Ryan Lowe is favourite on them at 2/1
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2024 13:08:34 GMT
Coates needs to be asked what went wrong with Shoey when he only appointed him 9 months ago. Is your judgement useless and have you made this appointment or Walters? I think we know the answer? From the last fans forum I very much got the impression that Walters is running the club. Or at least the football side of it. I've got no doubt this is Walters call, with the backing of Coates. He's paid the big bucks too make the hard calls. One thing is for definite, Walters will do what's right for this club. Or at least what he thinks is right. Despite all the positivity around the last forum with Coates Shumacher and Walters I felt they were not as chummy as they were trying to make out. Schumacher's body language said he wasn't enjoying it. I know I'm saying that after the horse has bolted but he sat with his arms folded, a sure sign of someone on the defensive, and whenever Walters was talking he just stared at him, sometimes with a face like thunder. I had expected to see a lot of joviality and back slapping but felt a bit disappointed and uneasy and thought that the chuminess was forced |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 16, 2024 13:08:47 GMT
If he manages to up our goals scored figures he'll do for me. He’d have difficulty lowering them |
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 16, 2024 13:09:39 GMT
Another bloke who’ll get 2 matches before this lot on here start turning I have hardly criticised Schumacher on here, I certainly wouldn't have been calling for his sacking, and in fact I think I have only posted one negative in his time here until this morning (ironically), but quite frankly now it's done, I'm happy with this decision. I honestly dont think he is up to it. He's hauntingly similar to Neil. He seems to think about the opposition too much instead of focusing on our own potential game, that's maybe because in some ways it is easier to approach games like that. It takes a more creative and bold approach to set out a way of playing that is going to make others worry. In that sense his approach is negative, but comes over as well researched and detailed in approach. I was really hoping he would learn on the job, but now he's gone I'm happy for us to give someone else a go. What he said 👍 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2024 13:10:22 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2024 13:12:33 GMT
Coates needs to be asked what went wrong with Shoey when he only appointed him 9 months ago. Is your judgement useless and have you made this appointment or Walters? I think we know the answer? From the last fans forum I very much got the impression that Walters is running the club. Or at least the football side of it. I've got no doubt this is Walters call, with the backing of Coates. He's paid the big bucks too make the hard calls. One thing is for definite, Walters will do what's right for this club. Or at least what he thinks is right. He’ll do what he thinks is right for Jon Walters |
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Post by jordan2009 on Sept 16, 2024 13:15:20 GMT
From the last fans forum I very much got the impression that Walters is running the club. Or at least the football side of it. I've got no doubt this is Walters call, with the backing of Coates. He's paid the big bucks too make the hard calls. One thing is for definite, Walters will do what's right for this club. Or at least what he thinks is right. Despite all the positivity around the last forum with Coates Shumacher and Walters I felt they were not as chummy as they were trying to make out. Schumacher's body language said he wasn't enjoying it. I know I'm saying that after the horse has bolted but he sat with his arms folded, a sure sign of someone on the defensive, and whenever Walters was talking he just stared at him, sometimes with a face like thunder. I had expected to see a lot of joviality and back slapping but felt a bit disappointed and uneasy and thought that the chuminess was forced I've just been listening to that thing on X that Rod Adcock hosted. Apparently it's well known in the footballing circle that pretty soon after Walters took over he was sounding managers/coaches out for the job. Schuey must of only been in the job for what 3 month. |
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Post by crowey on Sept 16, 2024 13:15:45 GMT
… rinse and repeat. I posted this the other day. Yes, SJW is running the club.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 16, 2024 13:15:50 GMT
As much as I'd like us to go down the continental route this seems a very odd one as he has little form which renders any such appointment as speculative
I'll back however comes in.
Surely we're bound to get it right sooner or later? 😕
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