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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 29, 2024 13:12:54 GMT
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a manager almost completely lose the fan base after a couple of games. Extraordinary stuff. The one thing I really don’t like is that he said he knows the players and will play a style that suits them ….. If that’s the case how the fuck have we looked so bad already. First 20 mins against Hull was ok, everything else has seen us look absolutely clueless. He’s got to get results, pronto. That 20mins was the new manager bounce. How he thinks a style of play which includes passing the ball between our defenders would suit Ben wilmot at all, is beyond me.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 29, 2024 14:50:46 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool.
Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later?
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 29, 2024 14:51:52 GMT
The surprising thing for me is Walters as the DOF would have presented the incoming manager with a detailed dossier of every player's strengths and weaknesses, our recent method of playing, what we are good at and what needs improving. And I guess Walters being so super efficient would have it translated into Spanish himself probably. So why hasn't the coach read it?
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2024 14:52:20 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool. Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later? Macari at Swindon,think that was days
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2024 14:54:13 GMT
The surprising thing for me is Walters as the DOF would have presented the incoming manager with a detailed dossier of every player's strengths and weaknesses, our recent method of playing, what we are good at and what needs improving. And I guess Walters being so super efficient would have it translated into Spanish himself probably. So why hasn't the coach read it? To be fair to Pelach one his roles at Norwich was analysing the opposition, he's talked about this already Would suggest he actually knew a fair bit about our players before he came which makes his choice to get them passing around the back even more absurd
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 29, 2024 14:54:48 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool. Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later? I wouldn't be compeletely against that. JW out, and double salary and apology to Steven should do it. Then again also Mowbray would cut it.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 29, 2024 15:10:08 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool. Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later? I wouldn't be compeletely against that. JW out, and double salary and apology to Steven should do it. Then again also Mowbray would cut it. Maybe not double as I reckon his salary would have been healthy already 😂😂. But, JW is obviously a problem and isn’t as in touch with the fans as he’d have you believe. I personally feel fans prefer SS ball then NP tikataka. I don’t think there’s many fans at all that enough the passing round the back etc. So we need to find a DOF/SD/TD who has proven in hiring managers to suit that system. And HYPOTHETICAL bringing Schumacher in while we find that DOF wouldn’t be a bad idea. But Mowbury as a temp to see if he’s up to it or Bruce will be what happens, 100%
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 29, 2024 15:14:29 GMT
Suddenly Mowbray looks like a decent option🤔
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Post by nonameface on Sept 29, 2024 15:15:00 GMT
Signed 18th September, less than two weeks ago.
First game he played high press, saw the players weren’t fit enough and gave the ball away too much.
In training he’s encouraged them to do more running (stats are up on this, which long term will be better) and encouraged ball retention.
Second game, addressed those two aspects by toning down the press and encouraging the players to control the ball.
The changes addressed the problems from the first game, we were better in our half, but we conceded due to us switching off. We were largely poor breaking into their half, but there were some transitions which were positive and gave green shoots for the future. We were too passive in the press for this game.
Expect an improvement against Portsmouth where can see us playing a higher press than we played against Boro but with more ball control than we had against Hull.
My concern is that all the goals so far have been easily stoppable mistakes, which will demoralise the players and us fans if we don’t get results quickly. He’s also likely to not have so much man management experience as he needs to manage us right now, big concern too.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 29, 2024 15:23:37 GMT
Suddenly Mowbray looks like a decent option🤔 ffs 🤦♂️
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2024 19:26:05 GMT
Signed 18th September, less than two weeks ago. First game he played high press, saw the players weren’t fit enough and gave the ball away too much. In training he’s encouraged them to do more running (stats are up on this, which long term will be better) and encouraged ball retention. Second game, addressed those two aspects by toning down the press and encouraging the players to control the ball. The changes addressed the problems from the first game, we were better in our half, but we conceded due to us switching off. We were largely poor breaking into their half, but there were some transitions which were positive and gave green shoots for the future. We were too passive in the press for this game. Expect an improvement against Portsmouth where can see us playing a higher press than we played against Boro but with more ball control than we had against Hull. My concern is that all the goals so far have been easily stoppable mistakes, which will demoralise the players and us fans if we don’t get results quickly. He’s also likely to not have so much man management experience as he needs to manage us right now, big concern too. As a contra view he watched two games where Bocat gave goals away and then played him as left back against the best winger in the league , he saw the midfield lose control v hull and picked the same players in the same formation , he saw cannon hopelessly lost v hull and did the same again , he failed to respond to a winger ripping junior to pieces v hull and did the same when bobcat was falling apart at Boro. He might as well watch hull and Fleetwood blindfold if Boro was his answer
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Post by robstokie on Sept 29, 2024 20:04:54 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool. Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later? I wouldn't be compeletely against that. JW out, and double salary and apology to Steven should do it. Then again also Mowbray would cut it. Id have Schuey back in a heartbeat. The chancer upstairs and his Spanish friend should be fucked off on Monday morning - Schuey to be reannounced Monday afternoon ready for a warm welcome in the Pompy game
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 29, 2024 20:28:06 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool. Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later? I wouldn't be compeletely against that. JW out, and double salary and apology to Steven should do it. Then again also Mowbray would cut it. There wouldnt be any doubling of salary Assuming we are still paying him in full, we could just say we want you back in work Wont happen though
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Post by robstokie on Sept 29, 2024 20:37:29 GMT
I wouldn't be compeletely against that. JW out, and double salary and apology to Steven should do it. Then again also Mowbray would cut it. There wouldnt be any doubling of salary Assuming we are still paying him in full, we could just say we want you back in work Wont happen though If there's a severance payment, let him keep it, change his job title to Manager and allow him to have a full say on transfers as well as choosing his preference of head of recruitment. Is there a way to cut our losses with Walters (misconduct along lines of unprofessional behaviour) and void Pelachs contract (illegal approach maybe)?
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 29, 2024 20:48:36 GMT
There wouldnt be any doubling of salary Assuming we are still paying him in full, we could just say we want you back in work Wont happen though If there's a severance payment, let him keep it, change his job title to Manager and allow him to have a full say on transfers as well as choosing his preference of head of recruitment. Is there a way to cut our losses with Walters (misconduct along lines of unprofessional behaviour) and void Pelachs contract (illegal approach maybe)? If weve already paid Schu off then thats a different matter. I thought wed carry on paying him in full until he got another job. I coukd be wrong though. Not sure where you are coming from re misconduct as it appears on the face of it JW has acted within his jurisdiction. Were he to go his contract would need paying Id assume
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 29, 2024 20:53:49 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool. Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later? I hope we do it, followed by the sacking of Walters.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 29, 2024 20:56:25 GMT
You know if we sack him it’ll be Bruce from high flying Blackpool. Has a club ever sacked someone and rehired them 2 months later? I wouldn't be compeletely against that. JW out, and double salary and apology to Steven should do it. Then again also Mowbray would cut it. Never ever Mowbray.
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Post by spirered on Sept 29, 2024 21:03:14 GMT
Why do people think we would be any better with another manager. We've just released our two most experienced midfielders and we have no one to replace them with.
As average as they were, this must go down as one of the most incompetent transfer windows that we've ever had. We are far worse than last year, and we only just managed to stay up.
Any team that does well with youngsters also has a solid backbone of experienced players to support them. We have absolutely f uck all.
At least when we do go down we can play the Birmingham card and forget about FFP. Although given our recruitment history, I wouldn't be confident that they'd get that right..
Pffftt.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 29, 2024 21:03:30 GMT
Signed 18th September, less than two weeks ago. First game he played high press, saw the players weren’t fit enough and gave the ball away too much. In training he’s encouraged them to do more running (stats are up on this, which long term will be better) and encouraged ball retention. Second game, addressed those two aspects by toning down the press and encouraging the players to control the ball. The changes addressed the problems from the first game, we were better in our half, but we conceded due to us switching off. We were largely poor breaking into their half, but there were some transitions which were positive and gave green shoots for the future. We were too passive in the press for this game. Expect an improvement against Portsmouth where can see us playing a higher press than we played against Boro but with more ball control than we had against Hull. My concern is that all the goals so far have been easily stoppable mistakes, which will demoralise the players and us fans if we don’t get results quickly. He’s also likely to not have so much man management experience as he needs to manage us right now, big concern too. Well it's a pity their goal isn't placed on the halfway line. You speak absolute tosh, we were terrible in all positions, and there was absolutely no improvement over the game against Hull. The fact is we we are a lot worse. This manager will never get us anywhere. The team is far worse than when Schumacher was in charge.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 29, 2024 21:04:28 GMT
14 day cooling off period anyone?
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 29, 2024 21:12:43 GMT
The surprising thing for me is Walters as the DOF would have presented the incoming manager with a detailed dossier of every player's strengths and weaknesses, our recent method of playing, what we are good at and what needs improving. And I guess Walters being so super efficient would have it translated into Spanish himself probably. So why hasn't the coach read it? Tezgel RW when we were been screwed down the left was all you ever needed to see, to prove he didn't have a fucking clue who half the squad are.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 29, 2024 21:25:28 GMT
Signed 18th September, less than two weeks ago. First game he played high press, saw the players weren’t fit enough and gave the ball away too much. In training he’s encouraged them to do more running (stats are up on this, which long term will be better) and encouraged ball retention. Second game, addressed those two aspects by toning down the press and encouraging the players to control the ball. The changes addressed the problems from the first game, we were better in our half, but we conceded due to us switching off. We were largely poor breaking into their half, but there were some transitions which were positive and gave green shoots for the future. We were too passive in the press for this game. Expect an improvement against Portsmouth where can see us playing a higher press than we played against Boro but with more ball control than we had against Hull. My concern is that all the goals so far have been easily stoppable mistakes, which will demoralise the players and us fans if we don’t get results quickly. He’s also likely to not have so much man management experience as he needs to manage us right now, big concern too. Well it's a pity their goal isn't placed on the halfway line. You speak absolute tosh, we were terrible in all positions, and there was absolutely no improvement over the game against Hull. The fact is we we are a lot worse. This manager will never get us anywhere. The team is far worse than when Schumacher was in charge. Narcis will get us somewhere but it won't be in the upwards trajectory.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 29, 2024 21:33:12 GMT
Think he's gonna come good eventually.
Need to give him a few games to get his system across.
I'm more concerned about the sharp decline in form of Bae and Burger to be honest.
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Post by windows1 on Sept 29, 2024 21:40:07 GMT
This guy will never be good enough. Looks totally out his depth already
His tactics are insane!
A hard core random fan would set the team up better im sure of it
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Post by malisastokie on Sept 29, 2024 21:40:58 GMT
I feel for Pelach because any young confident man presented with his first opportunity to be a head coach or manager would jump at it arms wide open.
Having said I have never liked possession based football as it is as boring as bat shit.
Even if he gets it right , I for one am never going to like have 50 % procession and only having 10 touches in the opposites box if the stats on the bbc web site are correct.
It felt like we were under KOSH the whole game which we were.
Shuey has gone , unfortunately Coates has been after a Spanish affair since Hughes departure left us with Lambert .
If this goes tits up then who in their right mind would come to Stoke to fix the mess.
I genuinely hope Pelach big picture is better than Saturday and he successful !!!!!!!
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Post by pb1863 on Sept 29, 2024 21:41:04 GMT
Early days. He has inherited somebody’s else’s team and we have to give him time. The same results and performances over the last 2 games could and probably would have happened under Schuey.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results so he has to change the team for Wednesday.
The frustration for everyone is to repeatedly see a manager bring in his back room team, his players and then getting sacked soon after the transfer window. We keep making the same mistakes but it’s not the current managers fault!
Let’s show our support.Win, lose or draw it’s still early days with 117 points still up for grabs.
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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 29, 2024 22:14:15 GMT
Some major over reactions in here. We have been very poor on numerous occasions this season. Stats wise Saturday was very similar to our 3-0 away defeat to Watford where we were absolutely shocking also.
The new manager had a decent 1st half vs Hull but the 3 halves after that have been a concern. But let’s be honest, we haven’t been good all season & this squad is way off being able to compete higher up the table.
We have to hope the new manager can relax with regards to his philosophy and scrape a few wins in the next month or two.
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 29, 2024 22:22:01 GMT
Some major over reactions in here. We have been very poor on numerous occasions this season. Stats wise Saturday was very similar to our 3-0 away defeat to Watford where we were absolutely shocking also. The new manager had a decent 1st half vs Hull but the 3 halves after that have been a concern. But let’s be honest, we haven’t been good all season & this squad is way off being able to compete higher up the table. We have to hope the new manager can relax with regards to his philosophy and scrape a few wins in the next month or two. I liked SS but in the 5 league games this season we had one good half at home to Coventry and a good away win at Plymouth .The rest was poor , let's not pretend otherwise.
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Post by flash on Sept 29, 2024 22:30:32 GMT
Can we have Chris Kamara back please. We might not win any more than with Pèlach, but at least we will have a laugh with Chris.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 29, 2024 23:16:59 GMT
People shitting themselves after 2 games, the first of which it’s hard to blame this guy. It’s not going to be an overnight transformation, but the style of play and lack of progress we’ve seen since we’ve come down means it’s high time for a change. The fans need to get behind the team, and after 8-10 games if it ain’t working that’s the time to voice the anger and frustration
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