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Post by tuum on Sept 30, 2024 0:24:33 GMT
There wouldnt be any doubling of salary Assuming we are still paying him in full, we could just say we want you back in work Wont happen though If there's a severance payment, let him keep it, change his job title to Manager and allow him to have a full say on transfers as well as choosing his preference of head of recruitment. Is there a way to cut our losses with Walters (misconduct along lines of unprofessional behaviour) and void Pelachs contract (illegal approach maybe)? That is precisely the model we are trying to steer ourselves away from. SS has gone. We need to move on and give NP our full support. If the players get the vibe that the fans are not happy with NP (and that is beginning to happen now after 2 games) then that gives them a get out of jail card and will make NP and his coaching staffs jobs 10x harder.We need to be patient and supportive. As frustrating as it is, can we not give him at least 10 games to see if he can get his message across? Now is not the time to undermine NP and his staff.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 30, 2024 4:31:43 GMT
If there's a severance payment, let him keep it, change his job title to Manager and allow him to have a full say on transfers as well as choosing his preference of head of recruitment. Is there a way to cut our losses with Walters (misconduct along lines of unprofessional behaviour) and void Pelachs contract (illegal approach maybe)? That is precisely the model we are trying to steer ourselves away from. SS has gone. We need to move on and give NP our full support. If the players get the vibe that the fans are not happy with NP (and that is beginning to happen now after 2 games) then that gives them a get out of jail card and will make NP and his coaching staffs jobs 10x harder.We need to be patient and supportive. As frustrating as it is, can we not give him at least 10 games to see if he can get his message across? Now is not the time to undermine NP and his staff. Agree but NP didn't half make it hard for himself with that truckload of shite v Boro. Can't personally blame the fans for being grumpy. I think I prefer the new setup in principle but mainly I want (1) not to U-turn on formations every time the manager gets booted and (2) recruitment using stats to dig up exciting prospects like Manhoef.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 30, 2024 5:11:16 GMT
If there's a severance payment, let him keep it, change his job title to Manager and allow him to have a full say on transfers as well as choosing his preference of head of recruitment. Is there a way to cut our losses with Walters (misconduct along lines of unprofessional behaviour) and void Pelachs contract (illegal approach maybe)? That is precisely the model we are trying to steer ourselves away from. SS has gone. We need to move on and give NP our full support. If the players get the vibe that the fans are not happy with NP (and that is beginning to happen now after 2 games) then that gives them a get out of jail card and will make NP and his coaching staffs jobs 10x harder.We need to be patient and supportive. As frustrating as it is, can we not give him at least 10 games to see if he can get his message across? Now is not the time to undermine NP and his staff. I don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and allow Pelach 10 games - if we lose midweek and Saturday with the same sort of performance then there has to be a decision to make, otherwise we will go down - I have little doubt about that. Would also have been nice if Schuey, who was doing a decent job and had the backing of the fanbase, was afforded the luxury of at least 10 games this season. The fact that he wasn't given that opportunity has left the fanbase with an expectation that if it ain't working, we will pull the plug. If we continue to persist with Pelach, who I personally feel underwhelmed with and think he's too stubborn and naive to succeed here, then it will just alienate the fanbase
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 6:04:13 GMT
That is precisely the model we are trying to steer ourselves away from. SS has gone. We need to move on and give NP our full support. If the players get the vibe that the fans are not happy with NP (and that is beginning to happen now after 2 games) then that gives them a get out of jail card and will make NP and his coaching staffs jobs 10x harder.We need to be patient and supportive. As frustrating as it is, can we not give him at least 10 games to see if he can get his message across? Now is not the time to undermine NP and his staff. I don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and allow Pelach 10 games - if we lose midweek and Saturday with the same sort of performance then there has to be a decision to make, otherwise we will go down - I have little doubt about that. Would also have been nice if Schuey, who was doing a decent job and had the backing of the fanbase, was afforded the luxury of at least 10 games this season. The fact that he wasn't given that opportunity has left the fanbase with an expectation that if it ain't working, we will pull the plug. If we continue to persist with Pelach, who I personally feel underwhelmed with and think he's too stubborn and naive to succeed here, then it will just alienate the fanbase On the face of it, him being under pressure after two games is ludicrous. But you zoom out of that point and it's actually quite easy to see why. We replaced a relatively popular Schumacher with him, this last game and a half have been as bad as anything we've served up since relegation, his tactics are bat shit crazy and to me, he just doesn't come across as the guy in charge. There's an element of feeling sorry for him, and I'll be there on Wednesday to support him and the team. I want him to do well.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 6:05:33 GMT
I don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and allow Pelach 10 games - if we lose midweek and Saturday with the same sort of performance then there has to be a decision to make, otherwise we will go down - I have little doubt about that. Would also have been nice if Schuey, who was doing a decent job and had the backing of the fanbase, was afforded the luxury of at least 10 games this season. The fact that he wasn't given that opportunity has left the fanbase with an expectation that if it ain't working, we will pull the plug. If we continue to persist with Pelach, who I personally feel underwhelmed with and think he's too stubborn and naive to succeed here, then it will just alienate the fanbase On the face of it, him being under pressure after two games is ludicrous. But you zoom out of that point and it's actually quite easy to see why. We replaced a relatively popular Schumacher with him, this last game and a half have been as bad as anything we've served up since relegation, his tactics are bat shit crazy and to me, he just doesn't come across as the guy in charge. There's an element of feeling sorry for him, and I'll be there on Wednesday to support him and the team. I want him to do well. I'll add though, getting SS back wouldn't be on my radar. We'd been pretty crap under him too this season!
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Sept 30, 2024 6:34:58 GMT
People need to bury talk of sacking NP already; it’s ridiculous even despite the potential calamity that might be about to unfold.
Walters is in for a penny in for a pound here. If this was the intention all along then the timing is horrendous vs doing it in June and having a full pre-season to work on this transition. But we’re stoke city; the last time we did good timing was when we sacked Pulis and hired Hughes, and that was over a decade ago…
We’re desperate for a win on Wednesday to buy some time.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2024 7:09:54 GMT
Just when they sack Pelach is anyone's guess, but no experienced manager is going to touch us with a bargepole now. I am beginning to suspect coaches go to Stoke almost expecting to get sacked and receive a big payout. We’ve gone from one extreme to another - from very reluctant to make a change to over-reacting to a run of bad performances. Something is just not right at our club They all need to be employed on a 6 month trial period, and if sacked before only get paid for months worked.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 30, 2024 7:12:30 GMT
I am beginning to suspect coaches go to Stoke almost expecting to get sacked and receive a big payout. We’ve gone from one extreme to another - from very reluctant to make a change to over-reacting to a run of bad performances. Something is just not right at our club They all need to be employed on a 6 month trial period, and if sacked before only get paid for months worked. Steve Bruce did an interview a while back where he said most managers have it their contracts it’s just 12 months pay if sacked , he should now as he’s been sacked quite a few times lol 😂
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2024 7:12:40 GMT
I don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and allow Pelach 10 games - if we lose midweek and Saturday with the same sort of performance then there has to be a decision to make, otherwise we will go down - I have little doubt about that. Would also have been nice if Schuey, who was doing a decent job and had the backing of the fanbase, was afforded the luxury of at least 10 games this season. The fact that he wasn't given that opportunity has left the fanbase with an expectation that if it ain't working, we will pull the plug. If we continue to persist with Pelach, who I personally feel underwhelmed with and think he's too stubborn and naive to succeed here, then it will just alienate the fanbase On the face of it, him being under pressure after two games is ludicrous. But you zoom out of that point and it's actually quite easy to see why. We replaced a relatively popular Schumacher with him, this last game and a half have been as bad as anything we've served up since relegation, his tactics are bat shit crazy and to me, he just doesn't come across as the guy in charge. There's an element of feeling sorry for him, and I'll be there on Wednesday to support him and the team. I want him to do well. Not entirely his fault, but the club shouldn't be conducting huge experiments such as this during the season. Pelach needs to go with the strengths as we have them and evolve. Bull in a china shop approach is going to end in disaster.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 7:28:20 GMT
On the face of it, him being under pressure after two games is ludicrous. But you zoom out of that point and it's actually quite easy to see why. We replaced a relatively popular Schumacher with him, this last game and a half have been as bad as anything we've served up since relegation, his tactics are bat shit crazy and to me, he just doesn't come across as the guy in charge. There's an element of feeling sorry for him, and I'll be there on Wednesday to support him and the team. I want him to do well. Not entirely his fault, but the club shouldn't be conducting huge experiments such as this during the season. Pelach needs to go with the strengths as we have them and evolve. Bull in a china shop approach is going to end in disaster. Which makes the timing of the sacking bizarre. Yes we'd had an unremarkable start, but it didn't feel like we'd be in any real danger. This move has seen us nosedive towards the bottom three rather than the early season turbulence we'd been experiencing. It's basically a gamble which wasn't needed (Not Pelach's fault, I know) If this was always on the cards, which apparently it was, why not do it straight after the season had ended so Pelach could stamp his style on the team? If his brief has been to come in and change everything, it's hard to really blame him. The Oxford game was bad, but it's clear Walters was waiting for the first available opportunity to get rid of SS, and the speed of the Pelach appointment meant this had been sorted weeks or months ago. The chants for Schumacher despite the awful performance v Oxford must really have annoyed Walters.
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Post by jonso on Sept 30, 2024 8:23:30 GMT
Tweet from Trouser dog. “Pelach might look all smart at the moment with his nice jumpers and plucked eyebrows, but give it another month or so at Stoke and the poor fucker will look like Colonel Gaddafi when he got pulled out of that drain.”
Funniest thing I have heard for months.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 8:28:44 GMT
Tweet from Trouser dog. “Pelach might look all smart at the moment with his nice jumpers and plucked eyebrows, but give it another month or so at Stoke and the poor fucker will look like Colonel Gaddafi when he got pulled out of that drain.” Funniest thing I have heard for months. Never trust a man who plucks his eyebrows.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 30, 2024 8:39:48 GMT
Looking at the fixtures pre jan 1st from here
Burnley x2 Leeds Sheffield united Sheffield Wednesday. blackburn sunderland x2
are all probably defeats as things stadn and even pre the sacking they look horrible , so it’s imperative we make a change quickly to get points in the other games if we are actually in being a lost cause by 2025 territory
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 8:42:02 GMT
Looking at the fixtures pre jan 1st from here Burnley x2 Leeds Sheffield united Sheffield Wednesday. blackburn sunderland x2 are all probably defeats as things stadn and even pre the sacking they look horrible , so it’s imperative we make a change quickly to get points in the other games if we are actually in being a lost cause by 2025 territory A change in manager?
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 30, 2024 8:45:31 GMT
Looking at the fixtures pre jan 1st from here Burnley x2 Leeds Sheffield united Sheffield Wednesday. blackburn sunderland x2 are all probably defeats as things stadn and even pre the sacking they look horrible , so it’s imperative we make a change quickly to get points in the other games if we are actually in being a lost cause by 2025 territory That's the spirit
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 30, 2024 8:46:36 GMT
Looking at the fixtures pre jan 1st from here Burnley x2 Leeds Sheffield united Sheffield Wednesday. blackburn sunderland x2 are all probably defeats as things stadn and even pre the sacking they look horrible , so it’s imperative we make a change quickly to get points in the other games if we are actually in being a lost cause by 2025 territory A change in manager? Will happen because results will dictate it but ive no idea how to make this playing sqaud really competive but it can be better than Saturday
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Post by march4 on Sept 30, 2024 9:01:14 GMT
On Radio Stoke they were talking about training being extended till 4pm. They then discussed the effect this would have on players’ lives and families.
Is this true?
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 30, 2024 9:03:44 GMT
On Radio Stoke they were talking about training being extended till 4pm. They then discussed the effect this would have on players’ lives and families. Is this true? The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players.
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Post by march4 on Sept 30, 2024 9:08:23 GMT
On Radio Stoke they were talking about training being extended till 4pm. They then discussed the effect this would have on players’ lives and families. Is this true? The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players. If it is true, I can see the players not liking it and consequently not being particularly motivated.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 30, 2024 9:15:54 GMT
The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players. If it is true, I can see the players not liking it and consequently not being particularly motivated. Lord forbid if they have to actually earn their money, They're not earning it on a Saturday
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 9:16:32 GMT
The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players. If it is true, I can see the players not liking it and consequently not being particularly motivated. Pelach has said the players can't just turn up for training and go home, or something. Not sure what they'll be doing until 4pm.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 30, 2024 9:27:55 GMT
The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players. If it is true, I can see the players not liking it and consequently not being particularly motivated. Might be what they need. Pampering and pandering to them doesn’t seem to be working.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 30, 2024 9:41:11 GMT
The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players. If it is true, I can see the players not liking it and consequently not being particularly motivated. God help them if theyd had to play for Lou or TP
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 9:44:18 GMT
If it is true, I can see the players not liking it and consequently not being particularly motivated. Might be what they need. Pampering and pandering to them doesn’t seem to be working. The last 3 HC/managers before this one all produced a period of good results and good football. Irrespective of the personalities why do we keep trying to do something different instead of having a settled style of play and any necessary changes trying to implement the same thing better/more consistently? We’ve just spent a whole window recruiting and training for high intensity, high press, fast paced football and then we get that on Saturday it’s completely absurd. It’s like we’ve bought another person in to replicate the owners previous fuckwittery and inability to stick with any sort of vision or style that doesn’t produce an instant promotion challenge. JW should be there to implement a consistent vision blueprint as such IF it was necessary to remove SS the next incumbent should have been trying to implement a very similar vision/style better and more consistently not throwing the baby out with the bath water and setting out on a whole new path which Saturdays tactics and game plan looked to be.
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Post by noustie on Sept 30, 2024 9:46:09 GMT
On Radio Stoke they were talking about training being extended till 4pm. They then discussed the effect this would have on players’ lives and families. Is this true? The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players. Can we get a Just Giving page on the go? Being paid thousands of pounds a week and having to work until 4pm on occasion is no life really.
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Post by noustie on Sept 30, 2024 9:48:00 GMT
For me the board/ DOF need to show some bollocks - if we lose the next two games either sack him or stick with him even if we go down. Either believe in the project they gave him to start with or hold their hands up they've made a right big fucking cock-up.
A ballless half way house leaving it until Christmas is not the answer.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 30, 2024 10:30:56 GMT
That is precisely the model we are trying to steer ourselves away from. SS has gone. We need to move on and give NP our full support. If the players get the vibe that the fans are not happy with NP (and that is beginning to happen now after 2 games) then that gives them a get out of jail card and will make NP and his coaching staffs jobs 10x harder.We need to be patient and supportive. As frustrating as it is, can we not give him at least 10 games to see if he can get his message across? Now is not the time to undermine NP and his staff. I don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and allow Pelach 10 games - if we lose midweek and Saturday with the same sort of performance then there has to be a decision to make, otherwise we will go down - I have little doubt about that. Would also have been nice if Schuey, who was doing a decent job and had the backing of the fanbase, was afforded the luxury of at least 10 games this season. The fact that he wasn't given that opportunity has left the fanbase with an expectation that if it ain't working, we will pull the plug. If we continue to persist with Pelach, who I personally feel underwhelmed with and think he's too stubborn and naive to succeed here, then it will just alienate the fanbase Can I suggest you look at the start of the Pulis era, appointed in similar circumstances but later in the season, club dropping towards the bottom, discontent, a squad not fit to play his style of football. He lost his first four, took ten matches to register his first win at the bottom club Sheffield Wednesday with a last minute winner but things didn"t improve until a 6-0 defeat at Forest (a match I went to). His quote after that match applies so well to today's team. He told the chairman that the players he'd been told were good were not and unless they made some loan signings he had no chance of saving them.
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Post by march4 on Sept 30, 2024 12:18:06 GMT
The inhumanity. Won’t someone think of the players. Can we get a Just Giving page on the go? Being paid thousands of pounds a week and having to work until 4pm on occasion is no life really. The point I’m not successfully making is that if a new boss walks in and extends your working day by 2hrs it could lead to resentment.
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Post by figo85 on Sept 30, 2024 12:23:44 GMT
Can we get a Just Giving page on the go? Being paid thousands of pounds a week and having to work until 4pm on occasion is no life really. The point I’m not successfully making is that if a new boss walks in and extends your working day by 2hrs it could lead to resentment. Only if I thought my performance didn’t warrant it, or my pay check for that matter. The way they’re going they’re lucky to be let out to go home any rate.
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Post by onionman on Sept 30, 2024 12:25:33 GMT
Can we get a Just Giving page on the go? Being paid thousands of pounds a week and having to work until 4pm on occasion is no life really. The point I’m not successfully making is that if a new boss walks in and extends your working day by 2hrs it could lead to resentment. Sounds like the kind of thing somebody with no management experience in his whole life might try.
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